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Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 06:34 PM

So if you had a friend who knows some guys, successful mainstream business guys who know nothing about the porn business, but who are porn fans and who have a minimum of $60k that they are dying to invest into a porn company to produce DVD porn movies and/or exclusive pay sites, what direction would you take them in if they were going to come to you to produce the movies and run the business? I'm curious to hear other people's ideas as to what they think would work nowadays.

Start a gonzo studio to produce hardcore DVD movies & related sites? Find a single super hot solo girl and start a solo site? Shoot a bunch of teen content and start a multi-girl teen site? Find a popular niche and try to make a site or two (and a few DVD movies) with exclusive content for that niche? Film something really weird or funny? Film one or two high end movies and promote the shit out of them? Someone dropped this basic premise in my lap today and it's such a broad question that it has given me pause for thought before I talk with these guys on a conference call tomorrow.

Sly · 10-23-2008, 06:36 PM

I think I would convince them to stay out of it and not waste their money. Not because there isn't money to be made, but because you can't just throw money at this industry and expect it to work. This industry is kind of... strange. You need more than money to make it work.

Deej · 10-23-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I think I would convince them to stay out of it and not waste their money. Not because there isn't money to be made, but because you can't just throw money at this industry and expect it to work. This industry is kind of... strange. You need more than money to make it work.

but he said theyre 'dying'... give them their last wish and humor the scenario

stevo · 10-23-2008, 06:52 PM

I'd probably go with an exlcusive multigirl site and a couple of exclusive solo girl sites.

Put 50% of the funds towards content and web development - the other 50% towards advertising. Continue building off of the profits...

chupachups · 10-23-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I think I would convince them to stay out of it and not waste their money. Not because there isn't money to be made, but because you can't just throw money at this industry and expect it to work. This industry is kind of... strange. You need more than money to make it work.

Agree with Sly. I had some friends wanting to do the same so I sat down, asked them what they knew, what they wanted to do and so on - played devils advocate. They left almost crying highly convinced it wasnt their cup of tea.

Barefootsies · 10-23-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You need more than money to make it work.

Agreed.

I hear from those 'types' from time to time. Not in the realm of 60k, but lower amounts, and basically wanting to do the same thing. Most I tell not to waste their money, they then want to invest in my company, but I do not want more business partner's.

I could make people money with $10k, and niche material. However, that additional money would come in handy to do many of the things I do not, or cant do, because there are not more hours in the day.

For example...

1. Working more of the VOD/DVD market and broader distribution
2. Rent out additional locations for more shoot variety.
3. Shoot not only for us, but sell off content to others.
4. Web cams. I have more girls looking for money then I have work.

There are plenty of other things I could mention, but it's pointless. The key is to find a micro niche that works, and work it well. Being the best, and then expanding. You are not going to get rich quick in this business.

I mean unless you do the loan for $5000.00 and get back 20% type of things.

Other than stuff like that, it's going to take them/you years to get a solid network of traffic and distribution for all the material you are shooting, and QUALIFIED, BUYING, CUSTOMERS!

That is really the hardest part. Finding people interested in your shit (less traffic) but ready and willing to buy not just once, but over and over.

NaughtyRob · 10-23-2008, 07:13 PM

Sites for sure. Hit me up I have a perfect idea for them.

Iron Fist · 10-23-2008, 07:18 PM

I think that a MLM type program might be awesome..

Manowar · 10-23-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

i think that a mlm type program might be awesome..

all y club ;)

Iron Fist · 10-23-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

all y club ;)

That sounds kinda familiar and catchy... I should trademark that.

Nicky · 10-23-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

I think that a MLM type program might be awesome..

MarkMan · 10-23-2008, 07:21 PM

$60k is just not enough this days..

Nicky · 10-23-2008, 07:22 PM

If they are interested in the cam biz, contact www.avcmodels.com we looking for partners.

Nicky · 10-23-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMan

$60k is just not enough this days..

You can make a solo girl site with that, it wouldn't hurt to already have a traffic network though

Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I think I would convince them to stay out of it and not waste their money. Not because there isn't money to be made, but because you can't just throw money at this industry and expect it to work. This industry is kind of... strange. You need more than money to make it work.

Of course, that's where my involvement would come in. I'd be the hands on guy coming up with the concept, producing the movies, building the sites and lining up distribution.

Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMan

$60k is just not enough this days..

Oh come on, plenty of people have started with much less.

MandyBlake · 10-23-2008, 07:53 PM

they can invest in me

Barefootsies · 10-23-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Oh come on, plenty of people have started with much less.

A fucking shit load less.

Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MandyBlake

they can invest in me

Not a bad niche to target, but I am guessing that they like skinny girls like me, he he.

Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Agreed.

That is really the hardest part. Finding people interested in your shit (less traffic) but ready and willing to buy not just once, but over and over.

Yeah totally. I can think of a million things to do with money for my company and my own projects, but this investment would have to be a discrete idea and a separate company from my own stuff. I am kind of looking at this , if I bother getting involved at all, as an opportunity to film something unique that I wouldn't or couldn't have done on my own.

mmcfadden · 10-23-2008, 08:41 PM

I would tell them you know this crazy leprechaun. And the lep knows two things... the stock market and websites. If he wanted to drop some cash in my business... lordy... the sky is the limit.

BTW... would need to be more then 60K

MandyBlake · 10-23-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Not a bad niche to target, but I am guessing that they like skinny girls like me, he he.

i like them skinny too.

mikesouth · 10-23-2008, 10:14 PM

Jimbo, bro I have had this scenario a few times as well and in the end I decided that If that was what I wanted to be doing I should be doing it with my own money. less headaches and politics that way.

Now knowing what I know if I was going to invest 60K in porn right now I don't think I would do it. The biz is in a freefall and on top of a bad economy I dont see an upside to it.

The one exception might be if I could target an underexploited niche and make it work. Im not sure there is such a thing but then I wasnt sure about it when I discovered bukkake five years ago....

My advice is if you are going to be involved at all stick to what you do best producing content. let them get someone else to be the middle management.

Spunky · 10-23-2008, 10:15 PM

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-23-2008, 10:20 PM

Have me do the affiliates program for 15K and tell them to hold on to the rest.
They should worry about producing content last if ever.
Presence first with a couple of sites then move to content maybe.

THey wont get shit for DVD's lacking Distribution as a new studio, they are a dime a dozen if that in porn valley. No one will pick them up. At least with a program in place ya got a shot at making distribution deals after they soften the web some that can work as a bargaining chip.

My honest advice.

DamageX · 10-23-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Oh come on, plenty of people have started with much less.

Yes. 10 years ago.

Jim_Gunn · 10-23-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Have me do the affiliates program for 15K and tell them to hold on to the rest.
They should worry about producing content last if ever.
Presence first with a couple of sites then move to content maybe.

THey wont get shit for DVD's lacking Distribution as a new studio, they are a dime a dozen if that in porn valley. No one will pick them up. At least with a program in place ya got a shot at making distribution deals after they soften the web some that can work as a bargaining chip.

My honest advice.

Thanks for the comments Alien, they would be very appropriate for a newb looking to break into the biz and build a porn empire. Luckily however, if I were to get involved and produce the movies with my name on them there would be no problems getting a distribution deal either with one of my existing movie distributors or other major distributors that I have good relationships with. They ask me all the time for more releases.

The sites of course are a more complex proposition but with good exclusive content and a niche there's no shortage of people that can run a program. It's just a matter of finding the niche and working hard. I guess I will just play it by ear and see how the conversation goes tomorrow.

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-23-2008, 10:48 PM

Tubes - that covers the bw for the first 3 month.

adonthenet · 10-23-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

I think that a MLM type program might be awesome..

bhutocracy · 10-23-2008, 11:58 PM

Those guys are the best. If they thought with the other head they'd take over the gay midget (or whatever) niche with 60k and clean up.

Rorschach · 10-24-2008, 12:01 AM

Fuck pumping out more content when there is already a saturated market of professionals doing the same thing already... Start a traffic company.

bhutocracy · 10-24-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

Fuck pumping out more content when there is already a saturated market of professionals doing the same thing already... Start a traffic company.

Unless the content is niche enough or in the case of single girl, somewhat interactive.

Rorschach · 10-24-2008, 12:09 AM

60K put into SE spamming = 1 million the first year

RogerV · 10-24-2008, 12:12 AM

tell them to try www.getrichinporn.com and spend money on traffic. if they cant make any with our system then give up

BlueDude · 10-24-2008, 12:14 AM

DVD/CD is not going to work, haven't you look at what happen to the music industry lately?

Do a paysite if u want, but only if your content is unique otherwise like Rorschach stated, you are just going to saturate the market with stuff already out there.

DWB · 10-24-2008, 04:49 AM

I'd pass Jim.

Keep doing what you do and don't get in the middle of some guys who know nothing. It will turn into a monster headache for you.

It would be different if they could bring something other than money to the table. Traffic guys, webmasters, SEO guys or even other producers, but just throwing money into porn these days with no real direction is pretty much a fail waiting to happen with a lot of headaches.

60k really is not a lot of money either these days. Yea, you could get some DVD deals for them, but why bother? Is the % that you would get from this worth shooting yourself in the foot when you can be releasing your own movies and getting all the money?

It's tough enough to run a business with partners who know what they are doing and are good at it. Pretty much impossible to have partners who know nothing about the industry and can bring nothing to the table.

Barefootsies · 10-24-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It's tough enough to run a business with partners who know what they are doing and are good at it. Pretty much impossible to have partners who know nothing about the industry and can bring nothing to the table.

THAT is so true.

It is one of the main reasons I have not taken on more 'investors' for long term. Current business partner bought in for a 30% share, and he does 1% of the business. Granted, I am thankful he invested so I could be the footie king. But it's difficult where there is sooooo much to do, and you do not have help unless you contract it out.

Especially when you have to...

1. Recruit the girls
2. Do the shoots
3. Process the material
4. Run the pay sites.
5. Develop traffic.
6. Burn DVD
7. Customer service

and so on and so on..

CarlosTheGaucho · 10-24-2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

It would be different if they could bring something other than money to the table. Traffic guys, webmasters, SEO guys or even other producers, but just throwing money into porn these days with no real direction is pretty much a fail waiting to happen with a lot of headaches.

Exactly, it only makes sense if you can throw in a couple (tens / hundreds) millions, then you can afford all of this, plus with acquiring severe proficient businesses AND the people that run it you can also make your money back relatively soon.

We're not talking about real estate, we're talking about adult.

The times when you've been selling something taboo and unique are more or less gone, it's thousands of competitors out there plus a fuck up on every corner, the bigger piece of the pie (and the better programs) you can acquire, the better.

teomaxxx · 10-24-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

This industry is kind of... strange. You need more than money to make it work.

I would rather say, you need less money and start from beginning. once you can sucesfully turnaround 1K into 10k or so, you can safely invest more money in it.

JP-pornshooter · 10-24-2008, 10:45 AM

in order for any business to work there has to be personal involvement, if they just want to invest the 60k and sit back and watch the money grow, i dont think adult is the right market to sink into. the only reason there is good money to be made in adult is because of individual involvement.
no one with the right skills is going to sit and make their owners 200k-250k/yr if they can make it for themselves instead...
shooting content is hard ass work, you know what i am talking about.. it aint no walk in the park. sure it is fun to shoot but that is at best only 50% of the work involved..

NaughtyRob · 10-24-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Oh come on, plenty of people have started with much less.

You are correct, but I started back in 05 and things are a lot different now. I seriously have a good idea but don't want to post it here, ICQ or email me.

Kudles · 10-24-2008, 11:48 AM

I will let you know

10-23-2008, 06:34 PM	#1
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Some guys have $60k to invest into a porn company... So if you had a friend who knows some guys, successful mainstream business guys who know nothing about the porn business, but who are porn fans and who have a minimum of $60k that they are dying to invest into a porn company to produce DVD porn movies and/or exclusive pay sites, what direction would you take them in if they were going to come to you to produce the movies and run the business? I'm curious to hear other people's ideas as to what they think would work nowadays. Start a gonzo studio to produce hardcore DVD movies & related sites? Find a single super hot solo girl and start a solo site? Shoot a bunch of teen content and start a multi-girl teen site? Find a popular niche and try to make a site or two (and a few DVD movies) with exclusive content for that niche? Film something really weird or funny? Film one or two high end movies and promote the shit out of them? Someone dropped this basic premise in my lap today and it's such a broad question that it has given me pause for thought before I talk with these guys on a conference call tomorrow.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Jimbo, bro I have had this scenario a few times as well and in the end I decided that If that was what I wanted to be doing I should be doing it with my own money. less headaches and politics that way. Now knowing what I know if I was going to invest 60K in porn right now I don't think I would do it. The biz is in a freefall and on top of a bad economy I dont see an upside to it. The one exception might be if I could target an underexploited niche and make it work. Im not sure there is such a thing but then I wasnt sure about it when I discovered bukkake five years ago.... My advice is if you are going to be involved at all stick to what you do best producing content. let them get someone else to be the middle management. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Those guys are the best. If they thought with the other head they'd take over the gay midget (or whatever) niche with 60k and clean up.

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I'd pass Jim. Keep doing what you do and don't get in the middle of some guys who know nothing. It will turn into a monster headache for you. It would be different if they could bring something other than money to the table. Traffic guys, webmasters, SEO guys or even other producers, but just throwing money into porn these days with no real direction is pretty much a fail waiting to happen with a lot of headaches. 60k really is not a lot of money either these days. Yea, you could get some DVD deals for them, but why bother? Is the % that you would get from this worth shooting yourself in the foot when you can be releasing your own movies and getting all the money? It's tough enough to run a business with partners who know what they are doing and are good at it. Pretty much impossible to have partners who know nothing about the industry and can bring nothing to the table. Last edited by DWB; 10-24-2008 at 04:50 AM..

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JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	in order for any business to work there has to be personal involvement, if they just want to invest the 60k and sit back and watch the money grow, i dont think adult is the right market to sink into. the only reason there is good money to be made in adult is because of individual involvement. no one with the right skills is going to sit and make their owners 200k-250k/yr if they can make it for themselves instead... shooting content is hard ass work, you know what i am talking about.. it aint no walk in the park. sure it is fun to shoot but that is at best only 50% of the work involved..

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