Saudis Begin To Worry That Obama Really Will Bring Change!

[BFT3K]

If Obama does nothing else, I hope he manages to slap big oil around in a big fucking way!

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1162196.htm

[pigman]

Saudi Arabia is one of the most extreme religious countries in the world.
They are the base of an extreme kind of Islam and are exporting it to Pakistan.
Religious schools funded by Saudi Arabia in Pakistan outnumber public schools.

[cwd]

Just another reason why Obama seems to be the right choice! The Saudis love the Bushes and are worried about Obama...nice! By the way, great avatar BFT3K!

[cherrylula]

Why we even deal with people who still call themselves "King" or "Queen" is beyond me.

Talk about repression...

[IllTestYourGirls]

They are not worried about the oil prices they are worried he will fuck up diplomacy.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

They are not worried about the oil prices they are worried he will fuck up diplomacy.

[buzzy]

Even Muslims hate the people who run Saudi Arabia, it's quite funny.

[cardinalvices]

You talk about arabs as if they were the source of all your problems..

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

They are not worried about the oil prices they are worried he will fuck up diplomacy.

I'm trying to rate your statement from 0 to 10. I'm going with 0 for this one.

Only a blind Republican robot would come to your conclusion.

The ONLY reason the Saudis are worried about real change is MONEY. If Obama can finally ween us off of oil - especially the automotive industry - then soon the Saudis will find out they don't hold the cards anymore.

Obama does not have ties to the Saudi family like the Bushes do, so hopefully he won't sell us out like his predesessors have - Dems included.

Fuck the Saudi family and fuck big oil!

Remember, the stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.

[cykoe6]

The Saudis primary concern relates to the strength of Iran in the region and their quest for regional dominance and nuclear weapons. They are concerned that Obama will be too soft on the Iranians. I agree.

The rise of Shi'ite power Iran following the U.S. invasion of Iraq, toppling a Sunni Arab regime that acted as a bulwark against any Iranian expansionism, has formed the main concern of Saudi foreign policy since 2003.

"I think he (Obama) will have a tough time with Iran. I'm one of those who are convinced Iran is after a nuclear weapon," said Dakhil. "This will give a chance for the Saudis to back the new president and to earn his standing and cooperation."

Saudi rulers, who see themselves as the bastion of majority Sunni Islam, fear Washington could cut its own deal with Tehran that would make Shi'ism a key part of a new regional political order at peace with America.

Riyadh fears a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq could consolidate Shi'ite power there at the expense of Sunni Arabs who Saudi leaders want to have a bigger share of the political cake.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Saudi Arabia = Taliban

There is no difference between the two.
Thats a fact.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by cardinalvices

You talk about arabs as if they were the source of all your problems..

Muslims are the source of thier own problems.

[JakeR]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Saudi Arabia = Taliban

There is no difference between the two.
Thats a fact.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Saudi Arabia = Taliban

There is no difference between the two.
Thats a fact.

that's.. wrong...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by JakeR

Educate yourself.

Saudi Arabia is exactly the same as the Taliban in Religeon and Govorning Philosophy.
They both use the same laws, and retain the same philosophies of law and the carrying out of Laws. They both use STRICT Sharia Law in accordance with the Koran.

In Saudi Arabia you can have your hands cut off for theft, you can and will be stoned to death, in Saudi Arabia Women have no rights. The only difference is that the Taliban have no oil money.

Saudi Arabian rule is Identical in every respect to the Taliban's laws.
14 of the Hi Jackers on 9/11 were Saudi's.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

No one ever questioned the Bush administration about Afghanistan, and no one ever questioned the Bush Administration about it's policies with the Saudi's.

Money talks in the world obviously and this was one of the strangest controversies ever yet was brushed under the blanket in popular media. There are many who have linked the funding of 9/11 directly to Saudi coffer's. Yet nothing in policy was done about Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's did participate in 9/11, there is no question about it, Saudi Arabia has been in Business with the Bush Family/Regime for nearly 2 generations.

It is this same relationship that gives fuel to the conspiracy theories that 9/11 was an inside job between Saudi Arabia and the Bush Regime. Now I do not want to believe that kind fo shit but alot of it lines up when fact checking about this interesting relationship between the Bush family and the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia.

Why does America do business with such religeous extremists? We give these nutjobs billions of dollars every year for oil and what these religeous fuck tards do is fuel terrorism and hate against America by proxy.

What it all comes down to is America did fund 9/11 in a way. Our money that bought oil ended up in the hands in Saudi Arabia to Hands in Afghanistan. America has bought and paid for Saudi Arabia many times over in Oil business, yet all this money and oil does nothing but drive and fund terrorism.

Oil is truly one of the 21'st centuries biggest delemas.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Educate yourself.

Saudi Arabia is exactly the same as the Taliban in Religeon and Govorning Philosophy.
They both use the same laws, and retain the same philosophies of law and the carrying out of Laws. They both use STRICT Sharia Law in accordance with the Koran.

In Saudi Arabia you can have your hands cut off for theft, you can and will be stoned to death, in Saudi Arabia Women have no rights. The only difference is that the Taliban have no oil money.

Saudi Arabian rule is Identical in every respect to the Taliban's laws.
14 of the Hi Jackers on 9/11 were Saudi's.

educate YOURSELF.

These countries worked incredibly hard to stem the bullshit that the taliban were responsible, and for obvious reasons.

if you want a hint, take a long look at the relationship between pakistan and the taliban.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

If Obama does nothing else, I hope he manages to slap big oil around in a big fucking way!

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1162196.htm

You want to slap big oil? USE LESS. One reason why gas has dropped is because people are driving less.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I'm trying to rate your statement from 0 to 10. I'm going with 0 for this one.

Only a blind Republican robot would come to your conclusion.

The ONLY reason the Saudis are worried about real change is MONEY. If Obama can finally ween us off of oil - especially the automotive industry - then soon the Saudis will find out they don't hold the cards anymore.

Obama does not have ties to the Saudi family like the Bushes do, so hopefully he won't sell us out like his predesessors have - Dems included.

Fuck the Saudi family and fuck big oil!

Remember, the stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.

You think Obama can ween us off oil I am not a blind republican. But I realize Obama cant change shit.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by SBR Richard

educate YOURSELF.

These countries worked incredibly hard to stem the bullshit that the taliban were responsible, and for obvious reasons.

if you want a hint, take a long look at the relationship between pakistan and the taliban.

Really. So how did Osama Bin Laden end up with lot's of money? Where id the money come from? Do you know?

I will tell you. It came from Saudi Arabia.
Osama was exiled from Saudi Arabia why?
When Osama was Exiled he was still provided money by his family. It was hundreds of millions of dollars. Why would a Architect Company with close ties to the Bush Family provide hundreds of millions of dollars to Osama Bin Laden after his exile? Osama's Family was friends with the Bush Family, infact on 9/11 Osama's family was in the USA and were shuttled out of the USA in private.

Did you know it was CIA and Military Operatives that Trained Osama Bin Laden and trained the terrorist's in Afghanistan and even trained members of the Taliban?

Its all true. I couldnt make this up. All these people have very close ties to the Saudi Royal Family, both the Bush Family and the Bin Laden Family and the Royal Saudi family have been in business for over 2 generations.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

You think Obama can ween us off oil I am not a blind republican. But I realize Obama cant change shit.

Obama has already "changed shit" just by winning this election.

Can we become 100% energy independent in 4 to 8 years? Of course not, but maybe a fresh administration, funded by internet donations instead of huge lobbyists, stands a chance of finally putting us on the right track.

The powers that be are much bigger than any president, so to buck the sytem will be very tough, but it would be to everyone's benefit (regardless of party affiliation) to change what is clearly NOT working.

Instead of bitching about Obama, months before he even takes office, perhaps intelligent people can look beyond shallow and ignorant political party loyalties, and come together for a common good.

It is time to move on... oil is yesterday's power.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Saudi Arabia = Taliban

There is no difference between the two.
Thats a fact.

You are so fucking stupid it hurts

[seeandsee]

That is all time to come

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by JamesK

You are so fucking stupid it hurts

Don't be ignorant. Get the facts dude.

[tony286]

He is already talking his fleet will be plugins whenever possible.

[unimatrix0]

I don't get the US and A people.
They buy Hummer and large SUV and blame Bush for oil price...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Obama has already "changed shit" just by winning this election.

Can we become 100% energy independent in 4 to 8 years? Of course not, but maybe a fresh administration, funded by internet donations instead of huge lobbyists, stands a chance of finally putting us on the right track.

The powers that be are much bigger than any president, so to buck the sytem will be very tough, but it would be to everyone's benefit (regardless of party affiliation) to change what is clearly NOT working.

Instead of bitching about Obama, months before he even takes office, perhaps intelligent people can look beyond shallow and ignorant political party loyalties, and come together for a common good.

It is time to move on... oil is yesterday's power.

Come together for the common good? Communism is already prove not to work.

Is your house 100% energy independent?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Don't be ignorant. Get the facts dude.

AlienQ speaks the truth. It is absurd that we deal with these lunatics in the Middle East. As long as we are slaves to oil (which is by choice, not by necessity), then we will continue to perpetuate the stupidity that is the "war on terror".

If Thomas Edison did not invent the light bulb do you think we would be living in the dark? Of course not, someone else would have invented an illumination device, and we would have moved on.

The same thing goes for oil. If there was no such thing, do you think we wouldn't be driving cars and heating our homes anyway? Of course we would!

Oil remains king, because greed allows it to continue. It is time to buck the system and fuck the monopoly!

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Come together for the common good? Communism is already prove not to work.

Is your house 100% energy independent?

Your God Reagan took the solar panels down as soon as he moved into the white house and began HIS fake "war on drugs" which we now know funded many of his secret operations. Now we have a big "war on terror" laundering billions!

War On = Moron.

If we mandated that no new construction could occur without the addition of solar panels, then we would be fueling a new cleaner and greener economy, and once again, we would be slowly weening ourselves off of imported oil.

The reason solar panel and battery technologies are so expensive is that they've been intentially repressed. I would LOVE for my house to be 100% energy independent - wouldn't you?

Smarter energy does not equal "communism" - you've been watching too much Fox Noise.

[aniloscash]

most the 9-11 terrorists were from there tough to feel bad for them when the us ended petroleum imports in 10 years.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Your God Reagan took the solar panels down as soon as he moved into the white house and began HIS fake "war on drugs" which we now know funded many of his secret operations. Now we have a big "war on terror" laundering billions!

War On = Moron.

If we mandated that no new construction could occur without the addition of solar panels, then we would be fueling a new cleaner and greener economy, and once again, we would be slowly weening ourselves off of imported oil.

The reason solar panel and battery technologies are so expensive is that they've been intentially repressed. I would LOVE for my house to be 100% energy independent - wouldn't you?

Smarter energy does not equal "communism" - you've been watching too much Fox Noise.

I am not a fan of Reagan. I am against the war on drugs, I am against the war on terror. The government should not mandate what smarter energy is. They have already proven they fail at that. I agree we should be moving away from oil. But few that think we should be are willing to put their money where their mouth is. They expect the government to do everything for them.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I am not a fan of Reagan. I am against the war on drugs, I am against the war on terror. The government should not mandate what smarter energy is. They have already proven they fail at that. I agree we should be moving away from oil. But few that think we should be are willing to put their money where their mouth is. They expect the government to do everything for them.

I am not a big fan of outrageous govt control over everything, but when the topic is ENERGY then regulations must be mandated. Some possible steps could be as follows...

1) Beginning in 2010 cars MUST achieve a MINIMUM of 50 MPG, regardless of their means of movement (gas, electric, hybrid, etc.) - followed by maybe 60 MPG by 2012, and so on.

2) No new construction can take place without minimum energy requirements - types of materials used, light fixtures, insulation, and yes, maybe even solar panels.

3) A new electric grid must be developed, so we can feed the grid via alternate energy sources, and so that disasters (terrorist or major storms for example), are not able to cripple us in one fell swoop, Another words, more compartmentalization, coupled with the ability to feed the grid with unused power from our own solar panels for instance.

4) Tax breaks and incentives can be issued, proportional to the amount of benefit a company can provide for the independence of the USA.

I can go on and on, but in order to make BIG CHANGES happen it is more likely that the govt is onboard, otherwise you will be fighting the system at all turns. Like when Chevron purchased the battery technology developed for the EV-1, only to bury it, so we had to remain slaves to oil.

I can't fund this level of change, but if you offer me a 65 MPG Ford (like we sell in Europe but not in the US, for example), I would do my part by driving that car, and helping at least a little bit.

To say that the problem is so big that nothing can be done about it, is to embrace defeat.

If we were REALLY determinde to WIN this "war on terror" then we should impose radical changes and deadlines to move away from oil. Of course that won't happen, because it would actually fix the problem, and that would make too much sense.

What the American people accomplished in WWII was amazing! We built tanks, airplanes. bombs, etc. in record time, like we were actually at war - and we were efficient and triumphant in the endeavor!

An administration that actually partners with the American people would have almost no limits whatsoever. I can't believe how many people are already out to fight with the Obama administration before giving it a chance, and before trying to work together to succeed in a common cause that would benefit us all. Sad really...

United We Stand - Divided We Fall... the choice is our own.

[cykoe6]

The solution to our energy dependence problems is not big government waste and "alternative energy" boondoggles which just siphon off taxpayers' money into the hands of the latest green energy con artist that comes down the pike. Let the market do its job. The government can only make matters worse.

Before you argue I want to think about one word: ethanol. That is a perfect example of how government works. Huge government subsidies to agribusiness for an energy source which uses more energy to create then it produces while food prices skyrocket and people in the third world starve. That is government in action.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I am not a big fan of outrageous govt control over everything, but when the topic is ENERGY then regulations must be mandated. Some possible steps could be as follows...

1) Beginning in 2010 cars MUST achieve a MINIMUM of 50 MPG, regardless of their means of movement (gas, electric, hybrid, etc.) - followed by maybe 60 MPG by 2012, and so on.

2) No new construction can take place without minimum energy requirements - types of materials used, light fixtures, insulation, and yes, maybe even solar panels.

3) A new electric grid must be developed, so we can feed the grid via alternate energy sources, and so that disasters (terrorist or major storms for example), are not able to cripple us in one fell swoop, Another words, more compartmentalization, coupled with the ability to feed the grid with unused power from our own solar panels for instance.

4) Tax breaks and incentives can be issued, proportional to the amount of benefit a company can provide for the independence of the USA.

I can go on and on, but in order to make BIG CHANGES happen it is more likely that the govt is onboard, otherwise you will be fighting the system at all turns. Like when Chevron purchased the battery technology developed for the EV-1, only to bury it, so we had to remain slaves to oil.

I can't fund this level of change, but if you offer me a 65 MPG Ford (like we sell in Europe but not in the US, for example), I would do my part by driving that car, and helping at least a little bit.

To say that the problem is so big that nothing can be done about it, is to embrace defeat.

If we were REALLY determinde to WIN this "war on terror" then we should impose radical changes and deadlines to move away from oil. Of course that won't happen, because it would actually fix the problem, and that would make too much sense.

What the American people accomplished in WWII was amazing! We built tanks, airplanes. bombs, etc. in record time, like we were actually at war - and we were efficient and triumphant in the endeavor!

An administration that actually partners with the American people would have almost no limits whatsoever. I can't believe how many people are already out to fight with the Obama administration before giving it a chance, and before trying to work together to succeed in a common cause that would benefit us all. Sad really...

United We Stand - Divided We Fall... the choice is our own.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

The solution to our energy dependence problems is not big government waste and "alternative energy" boondoggles which just siphon off taxpayers' money into the hands of the latest green energy con artist that comes down the pike. Let the market do its job. The government can only make matters worse.

Before you argue I want to think about one word: ethanol. That is a perfect example of how government works. Huge government subsidies to agribusiness for an energy source which uses more energy to create then it produces while food prices skyrocket and people in the third world starve. That is government in action.

Sadly most people think we have been in a free market.

[Love Sex]

ffesgergsr

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The ONLY reason the Saudis are worried about real change is MONEY. If Obama can finally ween us off of oil - especially the automotive industry - then soon the Saudis will find out they don't hold the cards anymore.

Do you honestly believe that he will be able to do this... Examine what you are saying for a few minutes... How many people does Shell Oil employ? How about Exxon?? Lets go a step further. How about BP... Imagine what happens if he were able to reduce the need for Gas by 25% All the middle east countries that sell fuel would be in trouble. Mexico would be in trouble. Venezuela would be in trouble. NOT just from lower sales, but from Excess of employees.

At this point a bunch of people will say that China will pick that up. NOT. The US consumes MASSIVE amounts of fuel, and if we cut it back that much its going to hurt the world.

And the snow ball effect of the Job cuts will be huge.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Do you honestly believe that he will be able to do this... Examine what you are saying for a few minutes... How many people does Shell Oil employ? How about Exxon?? Lets go a step further. How about BP... Imagine what happens if he were able to reduce the need for Gas by 25% All the middle east countries that sell fuel would be in trouble. Mexico would be in trouble. Venezuela would be in trouble. NOT just from lower sales, but from Excess of employees.

At this point a bunch of people will say that China will pick that up. NOT. The US consumes MASSIVE amounts of fuel, and if we cut it back that much its going to hurt the world.

And the snow ball effect of the Job cuts will be huge.

I myself do not understand why it is America's concern for the world. Honestly I think its time America's government works for the people of America. Not the world.

America already tried the whole Save the world approach. We fucked it up thanks to Bush we fucked it up so bad the world does not want our help and frankly again...
Since when should Americans strive or elect a government that works for the world when a government should focus on it's own people?

The Bush era really fucked up America in ways so profound I doubt us Americans have yet to truly grasp the damage that was caused inside our country and outside our country.

It's not America's job to "Save the world" It's America's job to provide it's people the freedoms and opportunity we got within our borders and harness it. America was not founded on exhistential colonialism, we know what that is all about already. It does not work, has not worked and will never work.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

So if Obama hold's to his promis America can get back to it's roots, focus on its people make our economy better stronger and the quality of life for the people better.

Outside America other countries will soon realise that America is the country that put dictators and warlords in check. Soon those Dictators and warlords will grow balls again and it wont take long, people will die, people will be oppressed, people will be intimidated and it won;t be long till once again the world call's for America to sacrifice its own blood and treasure on some distant battle field.

Hey maybe if America is lucky Russia can step upto the plate or maybe Venezuela can send its soldiers and money into war torn countries and feed the hungry or maybe donate billions upon billions of dollars to disasters all around the world.

Frankly it's time for America to mind its own shit and do whats right for Americans, not the world.

[pigman]

Citizens in Iran have more freedom than people in Saudi Arabia.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

So if Obama hold's to his promis America can get back to it's roots, focus on its people make our economy better stronger and the quality of life for the people better.

Outside America other countries will soon realise that America is the country that put dictators and warlords in check. Soon those Dictators and warlords will grow balls again and it wont take long, people will die, people will be oppressed, people will be intimidated and it won;t be long till once again the world call's for America to sacrifice its own blood and treasure on some distant battle field.

Hey maybe if America is lucky Russia can step upto the plate or maybe Venezuela can send its soldiers and money into war torn countries and feed the hungry or maybe donate billions upon billions of dollars to disasters all around the world.

Frankly it's time for America to mind its own shit and do whats right for Americans, not the world.

America funds many dictators and puts them into power. Our last two wars were against dictators and governments that were put in place by the US government.

But I agree. We should go back to a non-interventionist ideal. We could actually fund Obamas plans if we did that. But Obama wont do that.

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Can we become 100% energy independent in 4 to 8 years?

Yes, we can. We have the technology and the scientists to put it into effect. What we lack is the money and the willingness of an American public to make certain changes in their own lives. Like stop living in Thousand Oaks and working in Rosemead. Or stop living in San Clemente and working in Westwood. Live within 10 miles of your work and you will decimate the price of oil by dropping demand to 25% of its current value.

[xmas13]

Reagan, Bushes, Clinton brought change.

Socialists and Christians are now pissed.

Go fuck yourselves.

At the end of the day, nobody cares about you. Stick to MTV and your Xbox.

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You want to slap big oil? USE LESS. One reason why gas has dropped is because people are driving less.

amen!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

America funds many dictators and puts them into power. Our last two wars were against dictators and governments that were put in place by the US government.

But I agree. We should go back to a non-interventionist ideal. We could actually fund Obamas plans if we did that. But Obama wont do that.

Well then we can say we cleaned up a couple of mistakes.
Both countries that were invaded are more productive, worth more and have more wealth than they did before America intervened.
In the case of Afghanistan America was clearly provoked so...
In the case of Iraq... Well that was Bushes bullshit war and Iraq can stand on it's own two feet now, besides Iraqi's do not want Americans in the country anymore. SO I say wrap up the American Forces there and let the Iraqi's met out thier own problems.

Time to let them decide what to do.
Because honestly I do not like building infrastructure in other countries when my own country needs the infrastructure more. At least we do not blow up what we build here in the states as gratitude.