will Bush get sued for his crimes????

[Antonio]

well, let's face it - the guy's a war criminal, there's no doubt about it
what I want to know is can a US president be sued for his crimes after he steps down???

just curious

[IllTestYourGirls]

The real question is will Obama investigate Bushs war crimes. All signs point to no.

[AnalProbe]

Probably not, but you'll never know.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Antonio

well, let's face it - the guy's a war criminal, there's no doubt about it
what I want to know is can a US president be sued for his crimes after he steps down???

just curious

If there is no doubt about it, then what does that say about all the US citizens who allowed him to stay in office?

[FreeHugeMovies]

Did you really ask this question? Answer is no

[Iron Fist]

Let's make sure that what he did was a crime to begin with... or is this another cart before the horse thread?

[JD]

how the hell does that work? Getting sued for your crimes... I thought people got prosecuted not sued...

[LAJ]

Exactly...

He deserves more than getting sued. Life in prison would be more appropriate.

[The Duck]

No he will not.

[Franckfurter]

Originally Posted by JD

how the hell does that work? Getting sued for your crimes... I thought people got prosecuted not sued...

oj got sued

[JD]

Originally Posted by Franckfurter

oj got sued

yeah but not for his crimes. it was a civil suit

[Franckfurter]

Originally Posted by JD

yeah but not for his crimes. it was a civil suit

which to me makes no sense, if he is not guilty of the crime, how can he be sued in civil court

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Let's make sure that what he did was a crime to begin with... or is this another cart before the horse thread?

Even Quantanamo Bay should be reason enough to lock up the guy for life.
In a fair world that is....

[jmcb420]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The real question is will Obama investigate Bushs war crimes. All signs point to no.

Its only a dream, but i'de love to see Obama investigate sept.11

If that happened, we could lynch the fucker not sue him.

[AnalProbe]

If you still believe it's Bush who's behind everything, try this :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29053600562261

if you can find the time, offcourse

[jmcb420]

Alex Jones will get you thinking, i'll say that.
But somethings are just way to obvious. I dodn't think GW was behind EVERYTHING, but I think he knew alot more on sept11 then most think.
The funny thing about the sept11 smoking gun(s) are everywhere.

BTW, to my recollection, GW pardoned himself and his people for any possible accusation of war crimes in 2006 i believe it was.

Why would an innocent man worry about what people might find out in the future?

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by jmcb420

Alex Jones will get you thinking, i'll say that.
But somethings are just way to obvious. I dodn't think GW was behind EVERYTHING, but I think he knew alot more on sept11 then most think.
The funny thing about the sept11 smoking gun(s) are everywhere.

BTW, to my recollection, GW pardoned himself and his people for any possible accusation of war crimes in 2006 i believe it was.

Why would an innocent man worry about what people might find out in the future?

It was a smart move.

It was a provision buried in another law. It was to prevent a partisan witch hunt. GWB was protecting himself against idiots who would go after him not because he committed crimes, but because they didn't like his policies.

Actually, idiots like...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by jmcb420

Its only a dream, but i'de love to see Obama investigate sept.11

If that happened, we could lynch the fucker not sue him.

If Obama does nothing against Bush you might as well replace Bush's face on your avatar with Obamas

[cykoe6]

Idiots like the people in this thread who want to criminalize policy disagreements are a much bigger danger to our system of government then Bush or Obama or anyone else. In the US policy disagreements should be decided by elections, not witchhunts and show trials. It is both amusing and sad how quickly the useful idiots on the left are to resort to Stalinist tactics against whomever they consider an "enemy of the people". It goes to show that the mob rule totalitarian instincts of the lunatic left are still strong. Some people never learn.

[kane]

I supposes someone could sue him in civil court but as for criminal charges, no way. Obama will pardon him. I think it is pretty much tradition that each president gives the former a president a blanket pardon so I would assume Obama will do the same.

[$5 submissions]

Read up on the "Official acts" doctrine by the US Supreme Court. That would be the answer to the thread's question.

[onwebcam]

Obama's people are part of this. I didn't want to believe it myself. I thought he was really going to change the course of things. But with his appointments it's quite obvious the only thing that's going to change is life as we know it. George Soros is one of the key players in this war. Most people aren't aware that on election day there was a plane crash in Mexico city. It was the #2 man in the government. Why? It was a message. The president of Mexico isn't in control. They don't want the flow of drugs to stop they want it to greatly increase. Obama isn't in control. If he doesn't follow the plan he will die. If we don't stop the plan. We will die. This isn't only a US problem. It's a worldwide problem. The only way to stop it is to inform the masses. Watch all of Alex Jones' video's and listen to his radio shows.

Here's a few others

The Power of Nightmares
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...79275960015727
Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71665328041876
Part 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19789254&hl=en

The Capitalist Conspiracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94564876413449

The Money Masters (made in the 90's)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19560256183936

I've got plenty more where these came from.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Idiots like the people in this thread who want to criminalize policy disagreements are a much bigger danger to our system of government then Bush or Obama or anyone else. In the US policy disagreements should be decided by elections, not witchhunts and show trials. It is both amusing and sad how quickly the useful idiots on the left are to resort to Stalinist tactics against whomever they consider an "enemy of the people". It goes to show that the mob rule totalitarian instincts of the lunatic left are still strong. Some people never learn.

Policy disagreements and policies that were unconstitutional are two different things

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Policy disagreements and policies that were unconstitutional are two different things

The Supreme Court makes decisions about what is constitutional not a bunch of Red Guards on a message board. Good faith disagreements about the application of law are not war crimes. Bush had legal authorization for all of his actions. He had congressional approval for the Iraq invasion. Congress has signed off on every major move he has made (including FISA).

There is legitimate disagreement about the applicability of various laws when it comes to enemy combatants who don't fight under a the flag of a Geneva signatory. Personally I have no interest in non-US citizens engaged in hostile military actions receiving Habeas Corpus protections under US law. I have this silly notion that US constitutional provisions are applicable to US citizens. I guess that makes me a war criminal as well.

[HomerSimpson]

100% no since that would mean that US gov. did some bad things...
so nobody wants that in his history books, right...
especially not the US...

so they'll do everything they can to forget all that...
they will hit you with something else so you forget all about that...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I guess that makes me a war criminal as well.

Now you're getting it Our soldiers wear UN flags not US flags. They have signed a contract they will use force on US citizens.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

The Supreme Court makes decisions about what is constitutional not a bunch of Red Guards on a message board. Good faith disagreements about the application of law are not war crimes. Bush had legal authorization for all of his actions. He had congressional approval for the Iraq invasion. Congress has signed off on every major move he has made (including FISA).

Congress could pass a law saying it was legal to throw babies of bridges it does not mean those laws are constitutional. Congress had no constitutional authority to sign off on the Iraq war. Congress has no constitutional authority to sign off on FISA.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Now you're getting it Our soldiers wear UN flags not US flags. They have signed a contract they will use force on US citizens.

Please don't quote me as being in agreement with any of your insane fever dreams. People like you serve primarily as an argument for socialized mental health care.

[onwebcam]

People like me are just trying to open your eyes.

[mikeyddddd]

Originally Posted by Antonio

will Bush get sued for his crimes????

No. There is a special place reserved in hell for Dubya and Dick Cheney.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Congress could pass a law saying it was legal to throw babies of bridges it does not mean those laws are constitutional. Congress had no constitutional authority to sign off on the Iraq war. Congress has no constitutional authority to sign off on FISA.

The way the system works is thus:

Congress passes a law saying it is legal to throw babies off the bridge.

President uses his executive powers to implement said law.

The law is challenged by the "Association Of Old Women Against Throwing Babies Off A Bridge".

The case is stuck down by the courts.

The executive branch no longer implements the law.

Many members of congress and the president are replaced via election because the policy of allowing people to throw babies off the bridge is seen as a very bad policy.

The new regime gets busy making sure no babies are being thrown off any bridges.

That is how a constitutional republic operates.



In a banana republic it is done differently:

Charismatic populist leader gets elected on a platform of "change" and helping "the oppressed."

The new leader starts rounding up his old political enemies and opponents accusing them of "war crimes" and "crimes against the people".

The mob is whipped into a frenzy by lurid allegations of corruption and abuse of power.

Previous regime leaders are imprisoned or exiled.

Charismatic leader solidifies his support as it becomes increasingly dangerous to be considered his enemy.

Charismatic leader starts to increase the scope of his authority for the purpose of defending the people against the "oligarchs" and "counter revolutionaries" who stand in the way of "change".

Elections are postponed as their is fear that certain "entrenched power" elements will try to thwart the "will of the people".

Charismatic leader continues to lead unopposed as the only true representative of the people.



Unfortunately for the idiot left their little Maoist circle jerk will probably have to wait as most people prefer to live in a civilized society as opposed to a third world dictatorship.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

The way the system works is thus:

Congress passes a law saying it is legal to throw babies off the bridge.

President uses his executive powers to implement said law.

The law is challenged by the "Association Of Old Women Against Throwing Babies Off A Bridge".

The case is stuck down by the courts.

The executive branch no longer implements the law.

Many members of congress and the president are replaced via election because the policy of allowing people to throw babies off the bridge is seen as a very bad policy.

The new regime gets busy making sure no babies are being thrown off any bridges.

That is how a constitutional republic operates.



In a banana republic it is done differently:

Charismatic populist leader gets elected on a platform of "change" and helping "the oppressed."

The new leader starts rounding up his old political enemies and opponents accusing them of "war crimes" and "crimes against the people".

The mob is whipped into a frenzy by lurid allegations of corruption and abuse of power.

Previous regime leaders are imprisoned or exiled.

Charismatic leader solidifies his support as it becomes increasingly dangerous to be considered his enemy.

Charismatic leader starts to increase the scope of his authority for the purpose of defending the people against the "oligarchs" and "counter revolutionaries" who stand in the way of "change".

Elections are postponed as their is fear that certain "entrenched power" elements will try to thwart the "will of the people".

Charismatic leader continues to lead unopposed as the only true representative of the people.



Unfortunately for the idiot left their little Maoist circle jerk will probably have to wait as most people prefer to live in a civilized society as opposed to a third world dictatorship.

I think we both agree.

[kahell]

charge Bush with genocide

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

It was a smart move.

It was a provision buried in another law. It was to prevent a partisan witch hunt. GWB was protecting himself against idiots who would go after him not because he committed crimes, but because they didn't like his policies.

Actually, idiots like...

So it's a smart move to sidestep around the checks and balances our founding fathers setup? Seems you don't have much respect for them.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

The Supreme Court makes decisions about what is constitutional not a bunch of Red Guards on a message board. Good faith disagreements about the application of law are not war crimes. Bush had legal authorization for all of his actions. He had congressional approval for the Iraq invasion. Congress has signed off on every major move he has made (including FISA).

There is legitimate disagreement about the applicability of various laws when it comes to enemy combatants who don't fight under a the flag of a Geneva signatory. Personally I have no interest in non-US citizens engaged in hostile military actions receiving Habeas Corpus protections under US law. I have this silly notion that US constitutional provisions are applicable to US citizens. I guess that makes me a war criminal as well.

For the most part, you are correct. He covered his bases there. But the breaking of the laws of the Geneva Convention could be an issue. As well as the illegal wire tapping. Those I believe were the two biggest ways people could have gotten back at him. But he was smart to add measures to bills stating that the laws didn't apply to him.

[$5 submissions]

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-475.ZS.html

In Cheney v. District Court, the Supreme Court hinted where, perhaps, the line between executive accountability and presidential prerogatives might be drawn in legal proceedings against the nation's only two elected executive branch officials: the president and the vice president.

[StickyGreen]

When will people realize that Bush isn't necessarily responsible... he's just a fucking puppet who does what he's told...

People need to dig deeper.

[aniloscash]

presidential pardons. but can he pardon himself? You have to believe theres going to be a very large list. can you pardon someone who isnt charged with a crime yet?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

It was a smart move.

It was a provision buried in another law. It was to prevent a partisan witch hunt. GWB was protecting himself against idiots who would go after him not because he committed crimes, but because they didn't like his policies.

Actually, idiots like...

witch hunt like the one for the famous BJ that Bill received .... I would pardon that way faster then getting thousands of Americans killed

[kahell]

all the victims who died in war of Iraq (US soldiers ,Iraq people) should pursue war crimes against Bush!

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by kahell

all the victims who died in war of Iraq (US soldiers ,Iraq people) should pursue war crimes against Bush!

Just Bush though? What about the congress that voted to give bush authority to go to war in Iraq?

[AnalProbe]

Find some time... and watch this...

All will become clear... they begin with religion, then 911 and then the financial and power structures in the world. It's best to see it completely... It's very confronting :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...eitgeist&hl=en

[ottyhotties]

Originally Posted by kahell

all the victims who died in war of Iraq (US soldiers ,Iraq people) should pursue war crimes against Bush!

Then we should prosecute the congressman and senators who funded the Iraq War all these years too should we not? Bush can't just magically create bullets by executive order can he, or pay for them without a Congress? Sucks too the country was ready for "change" and now Obama who as a Senator voting to fund the war and buy all those bullets which ultimately killed all those Iraqis will now have to be prosecuted.

That's why we don't prosecute official acts! In January the Bush administration is for the history books not the courts.

[PSSuperstars]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

When will people realize that Bush isn't necessarily responsible... he's just a fucking puppet who does what he's told...

People need to dig deeper.

Dig deeper to where, exactly?
and don't go quoting Zeitgeist or something.

Dig deeper to where?

[iMind]

Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

Dig deeper to where, exactly?
and don't go quoting Zeitgeist or something.

Dig deeper to where?

Watch the bush years.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/docplayer_doczone.html

[iMind]

Cheney and Rumsfield seem to be the culprits of more war crimes.
Bush is their puppet.
And he's kept in the know, only on certain levels.

[iMind]

Cheney and Rumsfield seem to be the culprits of more "war crimes."
Bush is their puppet.
And he's kept in the know, only on certain levels.

100's of years from now George Bush and his administration will be heros of war.
It's not nice for those of us living on this planet now, but that's a FACT.

You have to understand where they're going to see it, Why he'll be a hero just like the "War Criminals" of the past are hero's today. Those are the people our children learn about in history class. The people who's statues are erected all over the US.

It sucks for me, and you.. and scares the shit out of me entirely,and I don't particularly like Bush at all. but if you take your feelings and stuff them up your ass and look at the planet from an "outside" point of view.. we need a cleanse.

Unfortunately for all of us a cleanse is a mass killing of millions of people, via war, disease and poverty.
It won't take more than a few hundred years and the world will actually be sustainable.

It won't be a free land like we have now, You have to understand that freedom is the problem.
You can't have billions of people just doing whatever they want and expect to have the world sustain its self without damage.
What are we gonna do? Go to Jupiter? ..

The general public is never in the know about this stuff, because the general public is the problem.
Thankfully 98% of the population is too stupid to figure out what's going on, or they'd never succeed and the future in that case would likely be alot worse than what they have in mind.

Command and conquer, for the better of the planet and the human race.

The world is a fucking cesspool, it's needs an abortion.

Kill 90% and start over.
and in 200 years, those of us that are lucky, ( read:rich ) will have great great grandchildren maybe living in peace, Laughing in social studies class about the stupid past of this planet.

[iMind]

I'm gonna add a little more to that.

those that are looking at the economic disaster and think that the government isn't gonna let it slide into another great depression, has their head up their ass and doesn't begin to understand how economy works.

The BOOM in the economy is the problem and not the Depression, The depression is the popping of the bubble and we've been pushing them back through rate cuts and different " bandaid " fixes for decades, and now the market is due for a collapse MUCH greater than the great depression.

Them not allowing it to happen is what's causing it in the first place.
A depression brings everything back to where it should be, however painful and no matter now many people will die.
It's not going to be pretty, but it's coming.

You have to understand that the only way to fix this shit is to let it go into depression. there is NO other way.
The goverment's are currently pushing things more into recession on purpose.
if you're running massive defecits and the dollar is inflated far beyond what it is worth, You don't cut interest rates and taxes, You INCREASE them... and stop spending and consuming.
People seem to believe that we can continue along how we are and just adjust the numbers and it'll work it's self out in time, but that's impossible.

The great depression was caused by money being taken out of circulation to the point where there wasn't enough for people to live, nor businesses to hire people to live.
In todays world cash is CREDIT, how many of you have watched your credit limits decreased in the last few months, can you walk into a bank today and get a business loan without having 100% chance of paying it back .. no.
They're doing the same thing as the 1930's only with credit - the new cash.

So if you think you're safe selling porn sites for the rest of your life it's time to poke your head outside your door and have a good look at what's going on in the world.

In the coming years people won't have the money for internet much less the porn sites.
I'm not saying all of us are doomed, but 90% of us are.

There's not much you can do to protect yourself now, if you aren't swimming in money right now, you'll be among the first to go. Many reading this are already on the brink.. Perhaps your ISP is already calling you for money, but you need to eat and your sales are down 40%.

I'm not gonna lie to you, I've already admitted that I'm already uncertain how long I will last if things continue the way they are .. which they WILL.
I come from liberitarian beliefs, but that's for my own selfish needs just like everyone else. I too am part of the problem and they'll let me die of starvation, disease or fighting their war just like 90% of us. What am I doing to make this a better place?
Why should I be allowed to continue consuming, and fucking up the planet with every step I take, if I'm not making steps to fix anything?

I am however intelligent enough to see what's coming and why.

[$5 submissions]

Post of the week!

Peter Schiff > all

Originally Posted by iMind

I'm gonna add a little more to that.

those that are looking at the economic disaster and think that the government isn't gonna let it slide into another great depression, has their head up their ass and doesn't begin to understand how economy works.

The BOOM in the economy is the problem and not the Depression, The depression is the popping of the bubble and we've been pushing them back through rate cuts and different " bandaid " fixes for decades, and now the market is due for a collapse MUCH greater than the great depression.

Them not allowing it to happen is what's causing it in the first place.
A depression brings everything back to where it should be, however painful and no matter now many people will die.
It's not going to be pretty, but it's coming.

You have to understand that the only way to fix this shit is to let it go into depression. there is NO other way.
The goverment's are currently pushing things more into recession on purpose.
if you're running massive defecits and the dollar is inflated far beyond what it is worth, You don't cut interest rates and taxes, You INCREASE them... and stop spending and consuming.
People seem to believe that we can continue along how we are and just adjust the numbers and it'll work it's self out in time, but that's impossible.

The great depression was caused by money being taken out of circulation to the point where there wasn't enough for people to live, nor businesses to hire people to live.
In todays world cash is CREDIT, how many of you have watched your credit limits decreased in the last few months, can you walk into a bank today and get a business loan without having 100% chance of paying it back .. no.
They're doing the same thing as the 1930's only with credit - the new cash.

So if you think you're safe selling porn sites for the rest of your life it's time to poke your head outside your door and have a good look at what's going on in the world.

In the coming years people won't have the money for internet much less the porn sites.
I'm not saying all of us are doomed, but 90% of us are.

There's not much you can do to protect yourself now, if you aren't swimming in money right now, you'll be among the first to go. Many reading this are already on the brink.. Perhaps your ISP is already calling you for money, but you need to eat and your sales are down 40%.

I'm not gonna lie to you, I've already admitted that I'm already uncertain how long I will last if things continue the way they are .. which they WILL.
I come from liberitarian beliefs, but that's for my own selfish needs just like everyone else. I too am part of the problem and they'll let me die of starvation, disease or fighting their war just like 90% of us. What am I doing to make this a better place?
Why should I be allowed to continue consuming, and fucking up the planet with every step I take, if I'm not making steps to fix anything?

I am however intelligent enough to see what's coming and why.

[iMind]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Post of the week!

Thanks.

I'm expecting alot of ridicule for my posts above.
but it's the way I see things.. it's scared me straight.