Still any big money to be made in the tube business?

[thinkhype]

With all these rumors or facts about the American Economy downgrading and people willing to put less and less on their credit cards, you guys think that their is still some "BIG" money to be made in the tube business?

I've had many different opinions ranging from "their is no money to be made in the Paysite conversions anymore" to "it will cost you so much in the server usage that you your profit margin will be very minimal.. and not sure if its worth the investment.."

Personally, I think that their is still some money to be made in the tube industry as their is with anything else. All you got to do is find a different approach towards the users, a more unique approach...

But what I am scared is, you think it's a good investment in the long run, or just something I could work around with for a year or two?

[kane]

Tube sites, maybe more than any other site, are really a numbers game. You have to have a lot of traffic to them because most of it is garbage and won't convert. So if you can afford to buy a bunch of content and you know how to get traffic by the truck load you might be able to make some cash.

Personally I think any business that is built around the idea of giving away everything in hopes that a few people will buy something a little different (dating and cams) is an idea that will eventually stagnate. You could make a tube that only has short clips on it, but then you better be really good at getting traffic because you are going to have to compete with the guys that give away 30+ minute long clips.

Can you make money? Sure. The question is how much and how much effort will you have to put into it and then what if you can't convert the dating and cam sites. It is going to be very difficult to sell regular paysite membership.

[thinkhype]

Originally Posted by kane

Tube sites, maybe more than any other site, are really a numbers game. You have to have a lot of traffic to them because most of it is garbage and won't convert. So if you can afford to buy a bunch of content and you know how to get traffic by the truck load you might be able to make some cash.

Personally I think any business that is built around the idea of giving away everything in hopes that a few people will buy something a little different (dating and cams) is an idea that will eventually stagnate. You could make a tube that only has short clips on it, but then you better be really good at getting traffic because you are going to have to compete with the guys that give away 30+ minute long clips.

Can you make money? Sure. The question is how much and how much effort will you have to put into it and then what if you can't convert the dating and cam sites. It is going to be very difficult to sell regular paysite membership.

So basically it's all about who can screw around the most people without getting caught? or who can get the best numbers for the cheaper price, but then you won't get quality? Seems more like a complex skirmish game to me then a business...

Im starting to think we should start figuring out something new..quick ;)

[cherrylula]

start a TGP = mad bling

[brassmonkey]

yeah tgp is the way to go

[Rorschach]

A tube is like a TV station... Once you've got the eyeballs, you can sell them anything.

[thinkhype]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

start a TGP = mad bling

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yeah tgp is the way to go

I thought the whole point of Web 2.0 was to stop trying to fool the end user with blind hits?

[thinkhype]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

A tube is like a TV station... Once you've got the eyeballs, you can sell them anything.

Interesting thought.

[kane]

Originally Posted by thinkhype

So basically it's all about who can screw around the most people without getting caught? or who can get the best numbers for the cheaper price, but then you won't get quality? Seems more like a complex skirmish game to me then a business...

Im starting to think we should start figuring out something new..quick ;)

Just think of it like this. If you start a tube that offers people full length clips and is updated every day what motivation do they have to buy? For example. Today on Youporn.com there is almost 3 hours of new movies right on the front page and they update with that amount of content every day. If I am just an average surfer and I go to this site, what motivation to I have to buy anything? I am getting a ton of free porn right here. Sure you can sell me dating and cam sites and I might be interested in those, but it is going to be very difficult to sell me a membership to a paysite.

I know people do join cam and dating sites from tubes and some may even sell a few memberships to paysites, but when you give away that amount of content you need a very large audience because most won't buy anything then the question becomes, "Are those that are buying stuff making me enough money to pay for/offset the cost of the 99.9% that are not?"

[thinkhype]

Originally Posted by kane

Just think of it like this. If you start a tube that offers people full length clips and is updated every day what motivation do they have to buy? For example. Today on Youporn.com there is almost 3 hours of new movies right on the front page and they update with that amount of content every day. If I am just an average surfer and I go to this site, what motivation to I have to buy anything? I am getting a ton of free porn right here. Sure you can sell me dating and cam sites and I might be interested in those, but it is going to be very difficult to sell me a membership to a paysite.

I know people do join cam and dating sites from tubes and some may even sell a few memberships to paysites, but when you give away that amount of content you need a very large audience because most won't buy anything then the question becomes, "Are those that are buying stuff making me enough money to pay for/offset the cost of the 99.9% that are not?"

your right.

from what I'm trying to figure out, we only got 2 options. start a tube site, live off a few conversions daily, barely making enough money to pay for server costs? or start something unique with a tube script in mind but get your idea stolen a few weeks later?

we are indeed in tough times..

[sextoyking]

Originally Posted by kane

Just think of it like this. If you start a tube that offers people full length clips and is updated every day what motivation do they have to buy? For example. Today on Youporn.com there is almost 3 hours of new movies right on the front page and they update with that amount of content every day. If I am just an average surfer and I go to this site, what motivation to I have to buy anything? I am getting a ton of free porn right here. Sure you can sell me dating and cam sites and I might be interested in those, but it is going to be very difficult to sell me a membership to a paysite.

I know people do join cam and dating sites from tubes and some may even sell a few memberships to paysites, but when you give away that amount of content you need a very large audience because most won't buy anything then the question becomes, "Are those that are buying stuff making me enough money to pay for/offset the cost of the 99.9% that are not?"

Well said Kane

[ADL Eddie]

Easy money

[Fresh]

you want a pre-populated tube site with almost 20,000 vids???

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/864153-own-pre-populated-tube-site-19-000-videos-inside-pic.html

[Jens Van Assterdam]

I laughed in this thread.

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www.tubetitans.com is the way to go too.
www.startyourownillegaltube.com is the way to make you some real bucks.
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[doridori]

damn u know i clicked on the third one. server not found.

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by kane

Just think of it like this. If you start a tube that offers people full length clips and is updated every day what motivation do they have to buy? For example. Today on Youporn.com there is almost 3 hours of new movies right on the front page and they update with that amount of content every day. If I am just an average surfer and I go to this site, what motivation to I have to buy anything? I am getting a ton of free porn right here. Sure you can sell me dating and cam sites and I might be interested in those, but it is going to be very difficult to sell me a membership to a paysite.

I know people do join cam and dating sites from tubes and some may even sell a few memberships to paysites, but when you give away that amount of content you need a very large audience because most won't buy anything then the question becomes, "Are those that are buying stuff making me enough money to pay for/offset the cost of the 99.9% that are not?"

The big tubes do over 100 sales at $40+ a pop to dating sites, why would they give a shit about porn memberships?

[Tevion]

It's all in the tubes, building a 1k/day tube will make you mad bling bling

[mynameisjim]

I would say if you are sucking at making money now, starting a tube site won't suddenly make you a good webmaster. Chances are you will suck at being a tube owner as well.

The above statement wasn't aimed at the thread starter at all, instead it was just a general statement.

[kane]

Originally Posted by KillerK

The big tubes do over 100 sales at $40+ a pop to dating sites, why would they give a shit about porn memberships?

My point is that, I feel, eventually dating sites and cams will stagnate on their sites. If you look back on many TGPs you can see where after a while the market would get saturated with one sponsor or another. I saw it myself. I would get good sales for months and months then they would just die off because those sponsor's content and sites were all over the tgps. You switch it up to something new and fresh and sales pick back up. With Tubes they don't really have that option. I think it would be very hard for them to sell porn memberships so they will have to stick with dating and cams, if the dating and cams dries up they have very few other options.

I just feel that there will come a day that enough people that visit the tube sites will have seen the dating and cam ads for them to not be as effective as they are right now and when that happens and revenue drops they will have very few other options as far as ways to make money and that will hurt them in the end.

After all, there is a reason that most of the big tube sites are for sale and can't find buyers. They want a big payday now before the well goes dry, but the buyers don't seem to see how they can monetize the site over the long term.

It's just my 2 cents.

[kane]

Oh and one other thing. My thoughts on tubes are no meant for those that are using smaller clips on their tubes or "legal" tubes, but more towards those tube sites that give away 30 minute movies and update every day with hours and hours of more free movies.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Go away. Tube money is my money. Wait till i post my new car pics shortly.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

I fly with private plane to the LA show by the way!!!!!!111111

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Its the old air force #1 from bill clinton!!!! I gave him lifetime membership at uLust!!!!!

[Corleone]

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Its the old air force #1 from bill clinton!!!! I gave him lifetime membership at uLust!!!!!

almost pissed my pants while watching your signature video man

[SpeakEasy]

There never was and there never will be. Itt's a terrible business model for making big profit.

[seeandsee]

tube can bring you huge traffic, problem is how to convert it best way!

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Its root of all evilzzz!1111
First there were the womanz
Now there are the tubez
!!!!!!!

[Nicky]

I got plastic tubes, much better than metal

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kane

Just think of it like this. If you start a tube that offers people full length clips and is updated every day what motivation do they have to buy? For example. Today on Youporn.com there is almost 3 hours of new movies right on the front page and they update with that amount of content every day. If I am just an average surfer and I go to this site, what motivation to I have to buy anything? I am getting a ton of free porn right here. Sure you can sell me dating and cam sites and I might be interested in those, but it is going to be very difficult to sell me a membership to a paysite.

I know people do join cam and dating sites from tubes and some may even sell a few memberships to paysites, but when you give away that amount of content you need a very large audience because most won't buy anything then the question becomes, "Are those that are buying stuff making me enough money to pay for/offset the cost of the 99.9% that are not?"

It's not only about the number of sales, it's about what the cost of those sales are and what's left over. Then there is the growth to consider or shrinkage. Will those coming to the Tube site for their free porn already have bought from the few sponsors prepared to advertise on them. Will some who did buy and got disappointed come back and rejoin? The answer is probably not good for the Tube site owner. A lot of his traffic will be retained, but not buying. They still need the free movie, but don't need to click on the links to buy dating and Cams, again.

Good post Kane, except 99.9% who don't buy. 1-1000 from a Tube site would I think be good.

[starpimps]

i have a super secret tube site..making mad monies

[kane]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's not only about the number of sales, it's about what the cost of those sales are and what's left over. Then there is the growth to consider or shrinkage. Will those coming to the Tube site for their free porn already have bought from the few sponsors prepared to advertise on them. Will some who did buy and got disappointed come back and rejoin? The answer is probably not good for the Tube site owner. A lot of his traffic will be retained, but not buying. They still need the free movie, but don't need to click on the links to buy dating and Cams, again.

Good post Kane, except 99.9% who don't buy. 1-1000 from a Tube site would I think be good.

yep, most of the visitors at a tube site are not going to buy no matter what the product. I feel that since they are stuck bascially offering the same product to the potential buys day in and day out that will eventually stagnate and they will see their sales drop, yet they will see their costs rise as they continue to gain non buying viewers.

I guess the question is how long will it take for something like that to happen.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

tube can bring you huge traffic, problem is how to convert it best way!

Further proof that traffic isn't king. Selling them something is.

The credit crunch is here and we have to respond accordingly. In the future there will be less disposable income and credit card holders will be less likely to be spending money. Every member who decides he can't afford will still need his porn and the Tubes will pick him up. More useless traffic for them to support. Every guy who bought a dating site membership and found the love of his life is not coming back, every guy who did not is not going to get conned again and every guy who signed up to the handful of Cam sites who advertise on them is not going to be paid for twice by the advertiser.

As Dating and Cam sits feel the pressure of the credit crunch they like us will need to look at what they can save money on. Saving on the product will lead to a downturn in the business, not advertising will lead to a downturn. The saddest thing is this industry has done diddly squat to to make the downturn happen faster.

If you have massive traffic a Tube site might work, but think about it if you have that traffic how much more you could of made.

[Tevion]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Every guy who bought a dating site membership and found the love of his life is not coming back.

That made me chuckle a bit, I always thought AFF is for fucking

[Zorgman]

Tube business is good... and the tube script side of the business is good too.

[HorseShit]

tubes with videos they aren't supposed to have up make the most money

[Godsmack]

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Tube business is good... and the tube script side of the business is good too.

Agreed!

[andy83]

some really nice posts here.. setting up camp here to listen to more info from the experts in this area :P

[ADL Colin]

Tubes ruuuuuule.

"We shall NEVER surrender!"

[EscortBiz]

huge money for those who sell the tube guys hosting, most tube sites right now are barely breaking even, many pretty large ones are shopping around for buyers (pretty smart to try to get it sold now lol)

[brassmonkey]

if u want a tube site without a bunch of risk hit me up

[fuzebox]

A lot of people on GFY seem to think that tubes generate tons of traffic just by having large movies.

Go ahead, try it, throw up a bunch of 30 minute videos and see how many hundreds of thousands of uniques you'll get tomorrow

[Barefootsies]

[Violetta]

If you can grow it big, Im sure there are!