cash demand for illegal porn downloads

[roly]

i'm not sure if this has allready been posted

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/te...00/7765386.stm

[mikesinner]

hahahaha, ya right. Most them probably couldn't afford to pay it anyway.

[HorseShit]

how much is that? i'm too lazy to do the conversion

[roly]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

hahahaha, ya right. Most them probably couldn't afford to pay it anyway.

that's not the point. it's sure to have a big impact on illegal downloading of porn, especially if more companies start doing this.

[Sam Granger]

500 British pounds = 733.3 U.S. dollars

[roly]

Originally Posted by jdavis

how much is that? i'm too lazy to do the conversion

it's also the embaressment factor that will put people off downloading if they think they will get a demand through the post that their wife or someone could open.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by roly

that's not the point. it's sure to have a big impact on illegal downloading of porn, especially if more companies start doing this.

No it won't because DigiProtect are nothing more than scam artists.

This is what they do.

Approach content provider say they will work No Win no Fee. Clearly this should set of warning bells already. They then take your content and upload it to p2p places. They then log the IPs of anyone downloading WHAT THEY PUT THERE and write a letter to the IP owners address asking for 500 quid.

It's a scam at best and at worst it's fraud or entrapment.

Nasty.


Read more here

http://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2008/...inal-scammers/

and here

http://techdirt.com/articles/20081119/0334182883.shtml

[Sam Granger]

Sounds like the company however is sending out fake mail?

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by roly

that's not the point. it's sure to have a big impact on illegal downloading of porn, especially if more companies start doing this.

No it won't

Did it help the music industry when they did it? No!!!

These aren't people who make that much money, I mean a rich guy is going to go straight for the VOD sites. He doesn't have time to look through p2p sites and surfer forums and it's not really that big of an expense.

The world changes, you have to change with it not against it.

When Iron was invented an the Egyptians were being attacked by he Hittites did they go out and fight with their bronze age weapons? Hell no they went and got some iron weapons.

The industry is changing there will still be money to be made but you will to recalculate your time verses profit and decide if it's still worth it.

[- Jesus Christ -]

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39877

Same tactic. Its legal in some european countrys. Not legal in the US.

[Vixenator]

Looks like the only ones seeing any real money from this thing is the 3rd party company sending the letters. They hit file sharers for over $700 bucks and pay out $50 bucks to the content owner, sweet deal... for them.

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I mean a rich guy is going to go straight for the VOD sites. .

A rich guy is also likely to be a smart guy and is therefore likely to go to the tubes which makes your argument redundant IMO.

[roly]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

No it won't

Did it help the music industry when they did it? No!!!

These aren't people who make that much money, I mean a rich guy is going to go straight for the VOD sites. He doesn't have time to look through p2p sites and surfer forums and it's not really that big of an expense.

The world changes, you have to change with it not against it.

When Iron was invented an the Egyptians were being attacked by he Hittites did they go out and fight with their bronze age weapons? Hell no they went and got some iron weapons.

The industry is changing there will still be money to be made but you will to recalculate your time verses profit and decide if it's still worth it.

how do you know it didn't help the music industry? i know poeple that stopped downloading music when they started taking people to court.

this will no doubt have an affect, how much i don't know. but they've been playing this on radio one every hour and there must be people listening and thinking i won't do that anymore.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by roly

how do you know it didn't help the music industry?

Because the music industry stopped doing it.

If it was successful they would have carried on doing it.

It is a nothing more than a scam.

[plsureking]

tubes are a much bigger threat to copyright than p2p ever was/is. on-demand plays in your browser. no waiting, no downloading. p2p actually takes *some* computer skill. not porn's target audience lol

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by roly

how do you know it didn't help the music industry? i know poeple that stopped downloading music when they started taking people to court.

this will no doubt have an affect, how much i don't know. but they've been playing this on radio one every hour and there must be people listening and thinking i won't do that anymore.

Your friends were just paranoid sheep then. I don't anyone in the punk/goth/alternative community that ever stopped downloading.

The music industry took on high profile cases, one was a Senators daughter. It ended up getting them into more trouble than anything.

If you think they can do this with porn your crazy. There is no constitutional way in hell this will ever go over in the states. First time they nab the wrong person in a high place it will be all over.

You don't want legal actions like that in this industry. Those lawyers and politicians are not our friends. Many of them are trigger happy Christians that would love to see us all laid out in a row with two in the head.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by plsureking

tubes are a much bigger threat to copyright than p2p ever was/is. on-demand plays in your browser. no waiting, no downloading. p2p actually takes *some* computer skill. not porn's target audience lol

Ya but generally tubes still go for lower quality feeds to save bandwidth. I do see some going for higher quality though. In a year it will probably be real bad.

[cess]

Originally Posted by roly

how do you know it didn't help the music industry? i know poeple that stopped downloading music when they started taking people to court.

this will no doubt have an affect, how much i don't know. but they've been playing this on radio one every hour and there must be people listening and thinking i won't do that anymore.

As of a month ago The Pirate Bay alone has over 21 million peers, or simultaneous users. That's only a portion of the p2p file sharing that's going on, who knows what the total number is. When the RIAA/MPAA started suing people years ago that number wasn't near that large, it was probably a few million total.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Ya but generally tubes still go for lower quality feeds to save bandwidth. I do see some going for higher quality though. In a year it will probably be real bad.

cant wait! lol

hopefully by then they will be a little more under control. kind of wild west time for the tubes right now. a few lawsuits, some industry cooperation, and they'll mature i think.

then we can actually USE the tubes to make some money lol

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by plsureking

cant wait! lol

hopefully by then they will be a little more under control. kind of wild west time for the tubes right now. a few lawsuits, some industry cooperation, and they'll mature i think.

then we can actually USE the tubes to make some money lol

I think it will cause them to break up into smaller sites. A regular person can still make good money with a 10k a day tube.

[mikesinner]

Guys there are so many file sharing programs that you download and run you don't even know.

[gooddomains]

someone is making a lot of cash there

[roly]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Your friends were just paranoid sheep then. I don't anyone in the punk/goth/alternative community that ever stopped downloading.

well that's a broad cross-section of the community, you must be right then.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by roly

that's not the point. it's sure to have a big impact on illegal downloading of porn, especially if more companies start doing this.

The music, games, film and programming industry are losing money because of illegal downloads, there are other reasons as well but that's not the discussion here. The Western World is in a recession and it could go into a depression, especially in places like the UK and US. The Internet is a possible way to generate profit and jobs. At the moment it's not living up to it's full potential.

People who illegally download are parasites. They feed off the people who pay and treat them with contempt because they pay. They don't think that without those paying customers they would have less and eventually nothing to download.

What ever can be done to stop these guys should be done. The only reason the download id they don't think they will be caught. Catch a few and you stop more. Yes there needs to be a good system to track and identify the downloaders. Damian has a great idea, put up something you own and have every right to put up and track those who download it for free. Sorry Damian but that's not a scam. It's good police work.

If I leave my car open and a wallet on the seat and a person takes it and does not hand it in to the police. That person is a thief, if it's recorded on film and the thief is apprehended it's one more thief caught.

As for the Internet changing and we have to adapt. Yes we should always adapt and move with the times, I've moved with the times for the last 30 years. Yes the Internet should change, it should change into a place where businesses can operate without the fear of their products being stolen and pirated. It should change into a place where people are prepared to pay for the goods they enjoy. It should not change to a place where a $25 billion industry is reduced to a $5 billion made up of webcams and dating sites.

The fact that the record industry tried it and failed is no reason to not try it again. No one should think like that. If people gave up so easily we would not have most of the technology we have today. We learn as children by falling and getting up and trying again just trying a different way or a bit harder.

I don't have the answers. But I know giving in and letting the pirates and theives have a free reign is not the way forward.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

tubes are a much bigger threat to copyright than p2p ever was/is. on-demand plays in your browser. no waiting, no downloading. p2p actually takes *some* computer skill. not porn's target audience lol

Very true. The problem is this industry does more to put Tubes sites up and make them a good deal for the surfer than it does to take them down. Lot's of Adult sites promote illegal Tubes, some might even own them. Lots more buy adverting on them. The only thing I see this industry do is sit on it's ass and moan or have a few guys running Remove Your Content. They do the best they can but it truly shows how determined this industry is about fighting piracy.

[Kudles]

Thats crazy