SEO/Programming Experiment - will this get me banned from Google? - GoFuckYourself.com

jawanda · 11-13-2008, 02:30 PM

I know that Google has a problem with 'scraped' content, but I am writing a program that does it just the same and hope to add some features which will make the content seem more unique and thus seo friendly.

Checkout my demo site and tell me your opinions, is this style of content dead from day one? Do other search engines filter out scraped content as harshly as Google?

http://www.videofetish.net

(Note: You'll notice the "intermediary" pages do note have the template implemented yet, like I said, a work in progress. More interested in your thoughts on the site structure.)

Thanks for any input, this has been a fun project for me regardless of if it works in its current format. I will let you know what happens as I add more content and it starts to get spidered.

jawanda · 11-13-2008, 10:22 PM

Bings and or Bongs.

woj · 11-13-2008, 11:09 PM

A setup like that worked great in 1998, now you will be lucky to make back the cost of the domain with that strategy... Not that it's impossible to make $$ by scraping content, but a little more sophisticated strategy is needed...

WiredGuy · 11-13-2008, 11:21 PM

You need something that makes grammatical sense, not just a bunch of words stuck together. Lookup some lexical analysis and make sentences that make more relevant sense. Also stick in some keywords in those sentences that each page is targetting. As is, you probably won't get much traffic at all.
WG

d-null · 11-13-2008, 11:30 PM

content is the least important factor in the profitability of a site

SmokeyTheBear · 11-13-2008, 11:45 PM

You also might wanna read this
http://www.google.com/support/webmas...n&answer=35769

especially

"Offer a site map to your users with links that point to the important parts of your site. If the site map is larger than 100 or so links, you may want to break the site map into separate pages"

and

"Keep the links on a given page to a reasonable number (fewer than 100)."

- Jesus Christ - · 11-14-2008, 12:14 AM

OP, Your site colors hurt my eyes.

There are step by step instructions on exactly on how to do successfully content scarping if you look hard enough. I'd prefer not to make it anymore easymode than it already is by posting links here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

"Keep the links on a given page to a reasonable number (fewer than 100)."

They have hinted that was because of page size restriction. If you have enough juice > 100 links works fine. If you don't have enough juice... well your problem is not the number of links its the lack of juice.

BigRod · 11-14-2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

A setup like that worked great in 1998, now you will be lucky to make back the cost of the domain with that strategy... Not that it's impossible to make $$ by scraping content, but a little more sophisticated strategy is needed...

This is unfortunate but true. I have a tons of sites like this and they worked great 10 years ago but haven't turned a profit in at least 7 years. Damn duplicate content filters. These days not much beats hand written content.

BigRod · 11-14-2008, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

They have hinted that was because of page size restriction. If you have enough juice > 100 links works fine. If you don't have enough juice... well your problem is not the number of links its the lack of juice.

This is partially true, you would need a lot of juice and a lot of content for 100 outbound links to look natural.

- Jesus Christ - · 11-14-2008, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRod

This is partially true, you would need a lot of juice and a lot of content for 100 outbound links to look natural.

Any page that has 100 links is obviously not going to be a landing page. Its a hub. In any case you'd be surprised how little a page has to "look natural" to rank.

Everyone has their own technics I guess... that's why we all can't be #1 for any given keyword.

InternetIsForPorn · 11-14-2008, 01:03 AM

Talking from first hand experience - no, this won't get you banned.

But you will struggle to make any money with it. Google is a smart bitch nowadays, it's not just about creating a piece of software that replaces synonyms.

I had a blog plugin that would take RSS feeds and revamp them, changing the words to synonyms, creating yoda-style sentences (changing the order of words).

It worked for couple of months, but then stopped for some reason.

And this was 2 years ago.

Antonio · 11-14-2008, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRod

Damn duplicate content filters. These days not much beats hand written content.

hm, shitload of sponsors RSS fed blogs are getting Google love, handwritten is the best but if you can drop 500 000 RSS fed blogs you won't die from malnutriotion, trust me, I always "morph" the ffeds though

most people simply have the wrong approach, they create 20 RSS fed blogs, see that 5 months later they get 60 uniques in total and give up, well, get a domain, install wordpressMU, grab the database, drop 1000 blogs + posts for all of them directly in the sql file, ulpoad, and you'll get a bit more than 60 uniques

ok, time for me to shut up

andy83 · 11-14-2008, 04:24 AM

if i'm not wrong, read somewhere on seo that there is an acceptable ratio of words to actual links. thus with a links only webbie i doubt the SEs will be friendly with ya

andy83 · 11-14-2008, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

most people simply have the wrong approach, they create 20 RSS fed blogs, see that 5 months later they get 60 uniques in total and give up, well, get a domain, install wordpressMU, grab the database, drop 1000 blogs + posts for all of them directly in the sql file, ulpoad, and you'll get a bit more than 60 uniques

ok, time for me to shut up

and where who any jack or joe out there "grab this database?" lol.

V_RocKs · 11-14-2008, 05:00 AM

Google is now hand checking sites for this... All of my old scraped sites are now out of the index... MSN just recently started hand checking too... Some of them are now out of its index...

Antonio · 11-14-2008, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy83

and where who any jack or joe out there "grab this database?" lol.

I meant export the database from your phpMyAdmin

if you're asking where to grab the content for the posts - feeds, FHGs, hosted flvs, anything can be turned into posts

jawanda · 11-14-2008, 07:37 AM

Interesting, thanks for the input guys. Pretty much along the lines of what I figured ... need to get with the times and figure out a way to generate some real unique looking content in there. Grabbing the first 'paragraph' of text from each page is really just producing garbage content, most of the time not even readable. Hmmm ... feeds.

Thanks again, I will keep playing.

nojob · 11-14-2008, 07:46 AM

Yeah that is old school SEM, they no likey.

DWB · 11-14-2008, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

I had a blog plugin that would take RSS feeds and revamp them, changing the words to synonyms, creating yoda-style sentences (changing the order of words).

It worked for couple of months, but then stopped for some reason.

And this was 2 years ago.

If that's the case, wouldn't the same hold true for morphing RSS feeds?

StarkReality · 11-14-2008, 08:53 AM

Looks like the stuff generated by YACG, it worked perfectly years ago, but nowadays it's good for a month or two, then google will kick it. You can either push out the sites faster than google bans them, but it's not effective long term.

Scrapers still work, but they shouldn't look like scrapers (you need design) and the content should be rewritten the smart way (don't mix this up with silly word replacement or wannabe markov rewriters). On top, you need good sources to scrape your content, randomly ripping text from pages you find on the first result pages of the searchengines isn't a good idea.

Bottom line: Scraping is easy, getting away with it long term and ranking well is much harder.

DAMNMAN · 11-14-2008, 09:08 AM

I still got some cloakers raked in top 10 for good keywords so I'm not fuckin' with them yet. In the 90s I could get ranked in top 10 easy just by using all the tricks. (Like submitting everyone above you 1,000 times and getting them banned) Now it's freakin' brutal.

~Ray · 11-14-2008, 10:43 AM

I flood my sites with one way backlinks. That's what works for me. Content be damned.. if you out link him, then even the original author of the content you scaraped, looks like he took it from you.

jawanda · 11-14-2008, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

I flood my sites with one way backlinks. That's what works for me. Content be damned.. if you out link him, then even the original author of the content you scaraped, looks like he took it from you.

Lol

jawanda · 12-04-2008, 06:30 PM

Just made some updates to the program.. Working decently and formatting the content better but still digging for more originality. Lemme know anymore suggestions and thanks for the input thus far.

http://www.videofetish.net

Also, many pages spidered, getting about 10 - 20 uniques per day from SE's so far .. lol

-P

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11-13-2008, 02:30 PM	#1
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	SEO/Programming Experiment - will this get me banned from Google? I know that Google has a problem with 'scraped' content, but I am writing a program that does it just the same and hope to add some features which will make the content seem more unique and thus seo friendly. Checkout my demo site and tell me your opinions, is this style of content dead from day one? Do other search engines filter out scraped content as harshly as Google? http://www.videofetish.net (Note: You'll notice the "intermediary" pages do note have the template implemented yet, like I said, a work in progress. More interested in your thoughts on the site structure.) Thanks for any input, this has been a fun project for me regardless of if it works in its current format. I will let you know what happens as I add more content and it starts to get spidered.

11-13-2008, 10:22 PM	#2
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Bings and or Bongs.

11-14-2008, 01:03 AM	#11
InternetIsForPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 848	Talking from first hand experience - no, this won't get you banned. But you will struggle to make any money with it. Google is a smart bitch nowadays, it's not just about creating a piece of software that replaces synonyms. I had a blog plugin that would take RSS feeds and revamp them, changing the words to synonyms, creating yoda-style sentences (changing the order of words). It worked for couple of months, but then stopped for some reason. And this was 2 years ago.

11-14-2008, 05:00 AM	#15
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,405	Google is now hand checking sites for this... All of my old scraped sites are now out of the index... MSN just recently started hand checking too... Some of them are now out of its index...

11-14-2008, 07:37 AM	#17
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Interesting, thanks for the input guys. Pretty much along the lines of what I figured ... need to get with the times and figure out a way to generate some real unique looking content in there. Grabbing the first 'paragraph' of text from each page is really just producing garbage content, most of the time not even readable. Hmmm ... feeds. Thanks again, I will keep playing.

11-14-2008, 07:46 AM	#18
nojob The Original NoJob Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Jerzzey Posts: 3,682	Yeah that is old school SEM, they no likey.

11-14-2008, 08:53 AM	#20
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Looks like the stuff generated by YACG, it worked perfectly years ago, but nowadays it's good for a month or two, then google will kick it. You can either push out the sites faster than google bans them, but it's not effective long term. Scrapers still work, but they shouldn't look like scrapers (you need design) and the content should be rewritten the smart way (don't mix this up with silly word replacement or wannabe markov rewriters). On top, you need good sources to scrape your content, randomly ripping text from pages you find on the first result pages of the searchengines isn't a good idea. Bottom line: Scraping is easy, getting away with it long term and ranking well is much harder.

11-14-2008, 09:08 AM	#21
DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	I still got some cloakers raked in top 10 for good keywords so I'm not fuckin' with them yet. In the 90s I could get ranked in top 10 easy just by using all the tricks. (Like submitting everyone above you 1,000 times and getting them banned) Now it's freakin' brutal. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

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12-04-2008, 06:30 PM	#24
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Just made some updates to the program.. Working decently and formatting the content better but still digging for more originality. Lemme know anymore suggestions and thanks for the input thus far. http://www.videofetish.net Also, many pages spidered, getting about 10 - 20 uniques per day from SE's so far .. lol -P