let us play a little game called WHO SUPPORTS ILLEGAL TUBES

[BDAdv]

this is how you play teh game
go to a tube siet that has content theys dont own rights to
find a sponsor that has a ad or link anywhere on teh site and post it

i go first

twisty http://www.youporn.com/watch/251070/...s-her-asshole/
naughtyamerica here http://www.youporn.com/watch/264944/...r-doggiestyle/
triplexcash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...cumshot/80200/
elitedolalrs http://www.tube8.com/teen/sweet-teen...handjob/78792/
ragecash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...-fucked/80192/
twisty http://www.tube8.com/erotic/sexy-ane...titties/11179/

now yours turn

[mikesinner]

This will be a long post.

[WarChild]

What makes tube sites illegal?

You should maybe consider reading DMCA. What you consider to be illegal, and what actually is illegal at this point in time might be two different things.

[Kudles]

This thread is not fun

[crockett]

Originally Posted by WarChild

What makes tube sites illegal?

You should maybe consider reading DMCA. What you consider to be illegal, and what actually is illegal at this point in time might be two different things.

oh give me a break dude.. you know damn well those sites have stole content to get their traffic. Now it seems sponsors are more than willing to "work" with them allowing them to post 5 min videos if they link to the tour.

Meanwhile the last 6 months he's been stealing full length members area videos to get to his million hits day. You know damn well surfers were not uploading hour+ long videos just to be "cool".

Morale of the story steal and fuck everyone over then turn legit once you have enough traffic and everybody will be your bro.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by crockett

oh give me a break dude.. you know damn well those sites have stole content to get their traffic. Now it seems sponsors are more than willing to "work" with them allowing them to post 5 min videos if they link to the tour.

Meanwhile the last 6 months he's been stealing full length members area videos to get to his million hits day. You know damn well surfers were not uploading hour+ long videos just to be "cool".

Morale of the story steal and fuck everyone over then turn legit once you have enough traffic and everybody will be your bro.

If you think surfers don't upload full scenes to be "cool" you've got no clue at all. Lots of them do. Check out usenet, forums, torents and now tubes.

Now I'm not saying that's where the majority of content is coming from, you're right it's probably MOSTLY the site owners doing it. Never the less, people most certainly do exist that upload for the cool factor.

If "everyone knows" were only a reliable standard to use in court, you might well be able to get tube sites shut down ... Why, however, are they almost without fail all still standing it they're so obviously illegal?

The point I'm trying to make is that the way the law is written right now, most tube sites are not illegal.

[Fletch XXX]

i watched 17 mins of some big tit model earlier Kendra hart?

niiiice titties

[Fletch XXX]

i watched 17 mins of some big tit model rogerv posted earlier Kendra hart?

niiiice titties

[DWB]

Originally Posted by crockett

oh give me a break dude.. you know damn well those sites have stole content to get their traffic. Now it seems sponsors are more than willing to "work" with them allowing them to post 5 min videos if they link to the tour.

Meanwhile the last 6 months he's been stealing full length members area videos to get to his million hits day. You know damn well surfers were not uploading hour+ long videos just to be "cool".

Morale of the story steal and fuck everyone over then turn legit once you have enough traffic and everybody will be your bro.

If I have to choose between a tube that will just steal my videos and send me no sales vs a tube that will work with me and send me some sales, I choose the latter.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

If I have to choose between a tube that will just steal my videos and send me no sales vs a tube that will work with me and send me some sales, I choose the latter.

So in other words, it's ok to steal your content to get started and make a site popular as long as we work with you later on? Then it's all good?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by WarChild

If you think surfers don't upload full scenes to be "cool" you've got no clue at all. Lots of them do. Check out usenet, forums, torents and now tubes.

Now I'm not saying that's where the majority of content is coming from, you're right it's probably MOSTLY the site owners doing it. Never the less, people most certainly do exist that upload for the cool factor.

If "everyone knows" were only a reliable standard to use in court, you might well be able to get tube sites shut down ... Why, however, are they almost without fail all still standing it they're so obviously illegal?

The point I'm trying to make is that the way the law is written right now, most tube sites are not illegal.

That's not really true.. it just hasn't gone to court yet. The law is written to protect a site owner from users uploading copyrighted content with out their consent. Sites like tube8 upload much if not most of the content themselves under fake user names. They are knowingly stealing copyrighted content.

The owner of tube8 would have a hell of a hard time proving he didn't know copyrighted content was getting uploaded. In fact I would bet you anything server logs would prove him guilty.

[BDAdv]

Originally Posted by Biddy

This thread is not fun

soon my freind

[mikesinner]

Tubes = death of profit for %99 of the industry.

[Fat Panda]

I am currently working on the biggest tube site ever, it will be populated with 1000000's of full lengh porn videos from every producer on this earth. My datacenter is currently 90% complete, it is being carved out of Mt Rushmore so even a nucleaur blast won't interupt my theft. Major press release to cum! Stay tuned!

For now enjoy some Porn on Demand

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i watched 17 mins of some big tit model rogerv posted earlier Kendra hart?

niiiice titties

Her name is Karina Hart, please make a point of spelling it correctly, I'm trying to promote her and need you all to send traffic to her site.

To see the link Fletch XXX is referencing go to http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/871877-karina-hart-proud-announce-karinahart-com-tit-pics-inside.html

For a followup, they still have the video up, I guess the DMCA notice did absolutely nothing to assist us in getting her scene down.

When I get in to the office tommorrow, I'll pull out my rolodex and start asking all my Bros' to help me get a contact at redlightcenter.com/Sites/RLC/flashtour.aspx?trq=315staticphub3d08a (since that is the ad running next to the Karina hart Video) so that they can help me contact the tube site in question, and have the video removed.

If that doesn't work, I'll move on to the next sponsor, AFF, mofosnetwork.com, etc, etc...

[MicDoohan]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Tubes = death of profit for %99 of the industry.

I should come here more often it is great for a laugh

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by crockett

That's not really true.. it just hasn't gone to court yet. The law is written to protect a site owner from users uploading copyrighted content with out their consent. Sites like tube8 upload much if not most of the content themselves under fake user names. They are knowingly stealing copyrighted content.

The owner of tube8 would have a hell of a hard time proving he didn't know copyrighted content was getting uploaded. In fact I would bet you anything server logs would prove him guilty.

And why hasn't it gone to court, if they are so clearly illegal it would be an open and shut case, easy pickings for whoever sues them? And whether tube8 use fake nicks or not that is only your opinion, they may well do but there is definitely no shortage of surfers willing to upload.

The owner of tube8 would have a hell of a hard time proving he didn't know copyrighted content was getting uploaded.

And to quote a post from a different thread which puts that one to bed.

Originally Posted by wootpr0n

I think that Io vs Veoh Networks settled that matter for good.

DMCA says that the host is not liable for infringing content. It never said anything about checking.

The Court said that checking is not required. And checking once does not create an obligation to check again.

The Court also said that the host is not expected to be able to distinguish between infringing and non-infringing even if it were to check regularly. Actually, the court specifically said that even if (a) the host checked, and that (b) the video had been professionally produced, and that (c) it was watermarked with the logo of the producer, the host wasn't liable and wasn't expected to assume that it was infringing.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by WarChild

What makes tube sites illegal?

You should maybe consider reading DMCA. What you consider to be illegal, and what actually is illegal at this point in time might be two different things.

Wow, I hope you don't really think that is a good answer. Any moron knows what stolen content looks like.

[Raym]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Tubes = death of profit for %99 of the industry.

Fuckin A!!!
I spend at least 30 min a day emailing tube sites to get them to take my shit down or at least promote our sites. Tube site content should have a definite time limit. 3-4 min max or a definite limit on how many videos the surfer can watch. I am sorry but as a webmaster and as a director it is fucking horrible to spend 20-30 grand on shooting a movie 5-6 scenes and bonus and BTS and then see the fucking whole thing cut up on tube sites for free!!! not even promoting it!! just giving my shit away!!!! I REALLY love what I do ... But I don't do it for free!! I do it to profit and to grow our business. To put it simply 99% of the tubes sites are fucking pirates!! Burn'em

[Shai West]

The question is: Will tubes sites ever go away, either by law or by some other means...and if not, where does that leave this industry?xxx

[alias]

Originally Posted by crockett

So in other words, it's ok to steal your content to get started and make a site popular as long as we work with you later on? Then it's all good?

It always has been, welcome to the internet.

[Kevin Marx]

Originally Posted by Raym

Fuckin A!!!
I spend at least 30 min a day emailing tube sites to get them to take my shit down or at least promote our sites. Tube site content should have a definite time limit. 3-4 min max or a definite limit on how many videos the surfer can watch. I am sorry but as a webmaster and as a director it is fucking horrible to spend 20-30 grand on shooting a movie 5-6 scenes and bonus and BTS and then see the fucking whole thing cut up on tube sites for free!!! not even promoting it!! just giving my shit away!!!! I REALLY love what I do ... But I don't do it for free!! I do it to profit and to grow our business. To put it simply 99% of the tubes sites are fucking pirates!! Burn'em

Tube sites should be promotional sites plain and simple. It makes no sense to give away product unless someone is advertising and benefiting from that delivery method. Even one illegal video should be abhorrent to every single sponsor on a site..... yet, they are benefitting from the traffic, who are they to complain?

It would be interesting to see someone sue not only a site like YouPorn, but also sue their sponsors and advertisers as accessories.

Tube sites should be responsible enough to police their content and know legit content from illegitimate. it's really not that hard. Find me a site with true amateur (not professionally produced) uploaded content which comprises over 80% of their viewings (and make it their highest rated content too) and I would be absolutely floored.

Originally Posted by Blazed

And why hasn't it gone to court, if they are so clearly illegal it would be an open and shut case, easy pickings for whoever sues them? And whether tube8 use fake nicks or not that is only your opinion, they may well do but there is definitely no shortage of surfers willing to upload.

Nothing in this world is open and shut. Nothing.

Also, exactly as you say, there is no shortage of surfers willing to upload. But with that in mind, uploading content that you have no rights to is still a crime. Without permission of the copyright holder, it's illegal. The sites should not be accepting the content (yet they happen to be sort of kind of protected by a law that makes no fucking sense).

Somewhere along the way, people decided that the Internet was the Wild Fucking West and they can do whatever the hell they want, anytime they want, and not act responsibly. Does everyone think that deliberately fucking over another person is a good idea as long as you personally can get ahead?

I have my own question on the legality of this stuff..... Who the fuck is maintaining the 2257 information for Tube sites? They obviously aren't.... and if they don't have the docs, shouldn't they at least be able to point to the custodian of records for each and every bit of content they reference? I would think that at a minimum that would be a legal requirement. I surely wouldn't want to own a TGP/MGP/Tube site personally without having those types of links on each and every depiction that was hosted or linked to by my site. Very dangerous waters IMO.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by Shai West

The question is: Will tubes sites ever go away, either by law or by some other means...and if not, where does that leave this industry?xxx

Problem is we don't want government involvement. They will just fuck things up.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by BDAdv

WHO SUPPORTS ILLEGAL TUBES?

At this point, that shit doesn't matter. The adult industry is sort of like a house on fire. Just loot the fuck out of it and get yours before it all burns down.

That is the current mentality most people have in this industry.

[spacedog]

around and around in circles this topic goes

[Mr. Billy]

The basic problem I see here is that people are categorizing tube sites as a host.

That is not accurate.

A tube site owner is a publisher. He has published a tube site for public view and has invited others to contribute to its content. People who contribute content are also publishers and are the partners of the tube site owner.

I believe that publishers are obligated to obey copyrite laws.

The website belongs to the tube site owner who is not a host.

The host is the actual webhost who owns the server and simply stores the content. The host does not determine that the content is shown to the public. They merely store the content for the use of the tube site owner who is the actual publisher.


Nobody wants to prosecute the host here.

The owner and publisher of the tube sites and their partners are the parties responsible for allowing this content to be shown to the public as they profit from it.

Now it is probably not possible to identify all of the people who have uploaded content to a tube site. However since they were invited by and act as partners of the tube site owner who profits from this, it seems to me that the tube site owner might logicaly be liable for their actions.

I don't know what the law will determine in these cases, but if I owned a tube site that featured copyrited content that I or my partners did not have a right to publish, I would be nervous.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

i just popped wood in that thread.

[KillerK]

The tubes are making HUGE HUGE $$$$ everyone should start one.

Just make sure you run AFF.

[seeandsee]

If you don't run AFF on your illegal tube you are losing money

[ilbb]

Originally Posted by BDAdv

this is how you play teh game
go to a tube siet that has content theys dont own rights to
find a sponsor that has a ad or link anywhere on teh site and post it

i go first

twisty http://www.youporn.com/watch/251070/...s-her-asshole/
naughtyamerica here http://www.youporn.com/watch/264944/...r-doggiestyle/
triplexcash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...cumshot/80200/
elitedolalrs http://www.tube8.com/teen/sweet-teen...handjob/78792/
ragecash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...-fucked/80192/
twisty http://www.tube8.com/erotic/sexy-ane...titties/11179/

now yours turn

SAD I didn't know that Twistys support this scumbags

[TheDoc]

The Videos on YouPorn are Legal....

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by BDAdv

this is how you play teh game
go to a tube siet that has content theys dont own rights to
find a sponsor that has a ad or link anywhere on teh site and post it

i go first

twisty http://www.youporn.com/watch/251070/...s-her-asshole/
naughtyamerica here http://www.youporn.com/watch/264944/...r-doggiestyle/
triplexcash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...cumshot/80200/
elitedolalrs http://www.tube8.com/teen/sweet-teen...handjob/78792/
ragecash http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/blonde...-fucked/80192/
twisty http://www.tube8.com/erotic/sexy-ane...titties/11179/

now yours turn

These sponsors should be report to all message boards at CHEATER AND SCUMBAGS section , because they diserve it.

[HorseShit]

You people have no clue on this subject is about what I gather from this thread.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by LoveSandra

These sponsors should be report to all message boards at CHEATER AND SCUMBAGS section , because they diserve it.

Those are the meat and potatoes of the biz. When you add juggcash, AFF, AWE, Streamate the pot gets bigger.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by KillerK

The tubes are making HUGE HUGE $$$$ everyone should start one.

Just make sure you run AFF.

You don't need AFF, shoot an email to almost any cam sponsor and they will work with you.

[gooddomains]

why should tube sites be illegal?

[mikesinner]

If you want to see what the problem is do this. Set up an email account and then email a cam rep. anyone will do, tell them you have a tube site and that you run it legally and that you remove content when asked.

Tell them you have a shitload of traffic that is already converting with cam site A but you want to try them out.

I guarantee that at least 1 out of 3 will bite.

If your already doing well with a cam site they will be happy to set you up with another account for your tube.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by WarChild

If you think surfers don't upload full scenes to be "cool" you've got no clue at all. Lots of them do. Check out usenet, forums, torents and now tubes.

Now I'm not saying that's where the majority of content is coming from, you're right it's probably MOSTLY the site owners doing it. Never the less, people most certainly do exist that upload for the cool factor.

If "everyone knows" were only a reliable standard to use in court, you might well be able to get tube sites shut down ... Why, however, are they almost without fail all still standing it they're so obviously illegal?

The point I'm trying to make is that the way the law is written right now, most tube sites are not illegal.

welcome to the dark side
be careful about making intelligent post like this you will be branded as a traitor for not drinking the kool aid and being party to the whinning that is going on.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Wow, I hope you don't really think that is a good answer. Any moron knows what stolen content looks like.

i love the placement of this post
go back and look at the response directly above you steve

[VIPimp]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The Videos on YouPorn are Legal....

They have rights to all the content on there?

[Jack Sparrow]

Are we talking about tubes, again..?

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Are we talking about tubes, again..?

lmfao

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by VIPimp

They have rights to all the content on there?

From what I understand, yes.. I don't think it has always been that way, but from what I understand for a good while now it has been.