HEY IS iBill back running now?

[ImExposed]

I went to a site and made a purchase and it showed up on my cc statment as iBill, Inc. I went to ibill.com and nothing I went to iBill.net and it was there?

I called and they said it is all new people and no one from the old company is tied into this new one.

They are a member of the BBB and seems to be a pretty new.

anyone else using this ibill?

[Machete_]

dident they also go to a webmaster event this year? think it was the Miami show

[tranza]

They have been back for a while now......

[polish_aristocrat]

http://ibill.net/

interesting...

[Va2k]

If it looks like a duck............

[Got Porn?]

If there is no one from the old company why are they using the name?

Why would they want use a name with that bad of a reputation???

[ImExposed]

I think they use the same cleaning crew for the office :-)

[Machete_]

If i look at domaintools.com, it looks like they ownd the domain for 4 years. I find it hard to belive that they could own ibill.net when iBill was still running their program on ibill.com

[DutchTeenCash]

would be to weird if someone regged that domain knowing what misery they caused

anyone got some inside info?

[ImExposed]

I am using iBill for my adult site and just got my first check and it is correct :-)

If there is ever an issue of not getting paid, trust me, I will pay for advertising on this board to slam them hard.

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by ImExposed

I am using iBill for my adult site and just got my first check and it is correct :-)

If there is ever an issue of not getting paid, trust me, I will pay for advertising on this board to slam them hard.

Sounds like a scam... your first post said you made a purchase, now you're using them for your adult site? Tell us what your site is then.

[ImExposed]

imexposed.com

[tony286]

thats ibills logo

[tony286]

has anyone called them and asked where is their money

[SilentKnight]

They must be after the next generation of suckers.




Refresher course for the newbs:

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by tranza

They have been back for a while now......

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

IMExposed IP address: 67.192.8.121
IBill.net IP address: 67.192.8.122

Nice try. Scam.

[volante]

Why do you and Ibill have the same address?

http://www.imexposed.com/disclaimer.aspx
http://www.ibill.net/contactus.aspx

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

IMExposed IP address: 67.192.8.121
IBill.net IP address: 67.192.8.122

Nice try. Scam.

.....lolz

[Mutt]

i'll wait to hear what Rodrigo-IBill has to say before passing any judgement.

[ImExposed]

ibill is at this address, Tom started the company up. He was an employee at the old iBill. Different company same service...

Remember the problems never started till it was sold.

Also, imexposed is my site. I pay them to host my site.

[ImExposed]

Rodrigo-IBill on skype is no longer active

[tony286]

I will be calling them on monday or maybe just have my lawyer do it. I want my fucking money.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by volante

Why do you and Ibill have the same address?

http://www.imexposed.com/disclaimer.aspx
http://www.ibill.net/contactus.aspx

rogue building.

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by ImExposed

ibill is at this address, Tom started the company up. He was an employee at the old iBill. Different company same service...

Remember the problems never started till it was sold.

Also, imexposed is my site. I pay them to host my site.

Haha... 12 days ago you started this thread about you buying a membership to a website... and now you have a complete website that just happens to be hosted by IBill, processed by IBill and you even share the same address as IBill.

Please go away.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

This thread delivers.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

This thread delivers.

I agree. It almost seems to funny to be true. I mean is this real?

[GregE]

Nuff said?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Got Porn?

If there is no one from the old company why are they using the name?

Why would they want use a name with that bad of a reputation???

It's just another intelligent business decision.

For example, Sony is going to name their new tape format "Betamax" and coke is coming out with a new product called "New Coke", so we'll see how all these new business plans work out.

Time will tell...

[CC]

I just want my thousands that iBill stole from me. Hey a girl can dream, right?

[BFT3K]

Here's a cool name for a new payment processing company... "PAYMONDE.COM"

What do you think?

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

IMExposed IP address: 67.192.8.121
IBill.net IP address: 67.192.8.122

Nice try. Scam.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

Haha... 12 days ago you started this thread about you buying a membership to a website... and now you have a complete website that just happens to be hosted by IBill, processed by IBill and you even share the same address as IBill.

Please go away.

Yeah, no shit.

First he ask if Ibill is back

Then he say he is a affilate and got money

Now he is in the same building?

Even JTF or Jens could come up with a better story

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by ImExposed

I called and they said it is all new people and no one from the old company is tied into this new one.

Originally Posted by ImExposed

Tom started the company up. He was an employee at the old iBill.

Also, imexposed is my site. I pay them to host my site.

So you didn't know they were back, yet they were hosting your site?

And when you called they said no one from the old company is tied to this one... except for the guy that started the new one used to work for the old one.

What kind of stupid are you?

You get the Shit For Brains GFY award of the week.

[alias]

Originally Posted by ExtremeBank_Adam

IMExposed IP address: 67.192.8.121
IBill.net IP address: 67.192.8.122

Nice try. Scam.

oh so owned

[polish_aristocrat]

anyone got a good FAIL pic ?

[Dirty Dane]

lolololol

[Tjeezers]

[Vixenator]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

They must be after the next generation of suckers.

As a proud representative of the next generation of suckers, I have to say... this is even too stupid for us to fall for!

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by ImExposed

I went to a site and made a purchase and it showed up on my cc statment as iBill, Inc. I went to ibill.com and nothing I went to iBill.net and it was there?

I called and they said it is all new people and no one from the old company is tied into this new one.

They are a member of the BBB and seems to be a pretty new.

anyone else using this ibill?

I see Iballs are still hiring morons to do their marketing

[F-U-Jimmy]

iBill, Inc.
10640 E Bethany Dr Suite B
Denver, CO 80014
303 337-6161
877 374-2455
Fax 303-928-5135

Executive Team

Tom Harris - Founder & Chairman
Josh Cole -Vice President, Sales
Trina Snow - Vice President, Product Marketing

About iBill

About iBill Established in 2006 and headquartered in Aurora, CO, iBill provides turnkey e-commerce solutions to thousands of business customers around the world. The company's service is powered by proprietary technology that integrates online payment processing, fraud control, affiliate management and financial reporting and tracking. For more information about iBill, visit the company on the web at www.iBill.net or call (877) 374-2455.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by Sex2Have

[ParlourCash Karl]

Fuck these mother fuckers owe a lot of us thousands, now they start again...same logo....same name...but started in 2006 acording to their site....fuck give these cock suckers balls.....pay us first what you owe mother fuckers then start fresh.....and to those who sign up with them to process.....fuck beware they will rob you...
I think we need to start a group of all that they owe and see if we can take it further to attempt to get what these fuckers owe us back.......what balls to start again and rub our faces in it....

[F-U-Jimmy]

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill




by Lawrence Kiminski
The New York Daily Times

Portland, Oregon, January 19, 2005
Remember Enron? Fade to black. Now think iBill, that is, Internet Billing Company, the world's largest online credit card processor, and apparently one of the largest purveyors of false promises mixed with alleged criminal theft on a massive scale.

iBill processes online credit card orders for thousands of websites around the world. These are generally small businesses that cannot generally afford to obtain their own merchant account, or businesses operating in a high risk online market, who have hired iBill to process their orders. In return iBill takes up to nearly 20 percent off the top for themselves, plus another 10 percent for reserves, for a whopping 30 percent that iBill removes from the customer. And for what? The process takes only a minute and a third of the gross sale is gone, eaten up by iBill. Okay, that leaves around 70 percent for the small business to operate. Right?

Wrong. How about ZERO percent? iBill is now taking all of the money, including that 70 percent, for a total of 100% and giving the starving client, the business which earned all of the money from their own customers, zilch, nothing. Oh, iBill promises to pay but those promises have been empty for months. iBill breaks those same promises weekly, daily, without shame and without any believable explanation. iBill's clients have no choice but to sit and wait to be evicted from their shots, or from their home in the case of the mom and pop home business, or find another processor. Unfortunately, that change can take up to four months and the prospects are dim. iBill knows this and is cashing in at the expense of the unsophisticated website business. From what we have learned, iBill has an incredible distaste for any small businesses. They take their hard earned bucks and leave them out in the cold. Yes, I know this sounds inflated, but it is not. As far as trust goes, iBill is the epitome of evil in the online processing market.

iBill was told early in 2004 by First Data (the company which controls iBill's account) that iBill's merchant with First Data would soon be terminated and that they, iBill, should make plans to find another relationship with another bank. iBill ignored the warning from First Data until it was too late. iBill lied to their customers about what had happened and ended up with little or no money to pay their website businesses (webmasters), mostly small businesses where their online sales account for 100 percent of their income which is no zero. iBill is forcing an incredible number of businesses into financial ruin and bankruptcy.

iBill is not paying clients, and they are now under investigation by the US Justice Department. iBill has always refused to take responsibility. However, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. An Appellate Court has, in essence, indicated the problem was iBill's alone. There is really no doubt that iBill is the guilty party here, responsible for thousands of their clients going unpaid, lying to them, secretly planning to coax these same clients to hand over more of their money but with no plan but promises to replay them. There's a word for this. THEFT. Felony theft. If iBill is not stopped, they will undoubtedly continue to lie and steal from their customers, from their clients, and from their stock investors. But the equally important problem is that iBill refused to communicate with their client in any meaningful manner. That problem also continues.

Initially respected, iBill has become one of the most reviled, despised, mistrusted, and suspicious companies on the Internet, with business practices reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

When we first got wind of this story, we were rather hesitant; it seemed just another company with big financial problems. Once our investigation went deeper we found a company totally incapable of being honest, decent, or with any intent to communicate with their clients except on a distant, dismissive level. iBill hides their problems in a deceptive online pretense of communication. They offer only childish statements to their client website businesses. Current and previous examples demonstrate that iBill has absolutely no intention of keeping promises to their clients, the little mom and pop businesses who so desperately need to be paid for the money they have earned.

In today's world of the fast buck, smiles and promises come easily. A forced, painted smile works for a while, even with the largest business. But ultimately that kind of obsolete strategy fails because the customer looks elsewhere. At iBill there was hope. There was promise. But the seed began to rot within. The company forgot what was important. They got greedy. They became lazy, full of themselves. And they began to pretend they were treating the customer decently because they had all those corporate slogans to paste on their website. But ultimately successful slogans need heart, and honesty. Or they should. We'd like to say that iBill's way of dealing with customers, their lack of sincerity or empathy, is rarely successful. But we'd be wrong. Look around. The United States is filled with greed, populated by companies who fail because of greed. They ignore their clients by way of a veil of secrecy, dismissal, and indifference. At iBill, it seems the idea is to hide from the people for whom they have not paid millions of dollars. Is it possible that iBill may not even realize the truth? Are they incapable of seeing it as though they are flatlanders in a corporate cartoon world? Corporations like iBill become isolated in their own sense of what they paint as truth, yes. But there is no doubt in my mind that iBill knows what they are doing and doing so illegally, heartlessly, and without any concern for their clients and customers.

So, is this just big business as usual, the American Way? Is the only important factor the survival of the corporate entity? What about the human factor? Where are we headed as a nation? Where are our values? Apparently, iBill's strategy is to ignore their clients and cut the strings by which the client can contact them, take the money and run. Perhaps iBill believes the client will just fade away in ruin, desperate little people who don't matter.

Well, the client is just the fiber of this country, that's all! It is time for a publication to take a chance, go all the way, and expose the nasty culprits for what they are. So, let's state this for the record:

IBill was recently acquired by Penthouse International who later dropped them reportedly because of quality disagreements of iBill’s former CIO, David Hackney, and even former CEO John Perry who still remains reluctant to discuss the major problems at iBill, apparently from fear of being handed a subpoena to testify in either a civil or criminal case. The list of possible iBill turncoats includes Todd Moran and Mark Smith, the later former head of sales for iBill. There are so many former officers one wonders how many hours it takes for the new arrivals to come up to speed. iBill senior vice president for marketing Cathy Beardsley may have been bumped up to President of the Company. More later on this. But others who have either left iBill, are in hiding, or who have been misplaced include:

Andrea Ebanks
Bert Metcalf
Crystal Corbie
Dave Kulkowski
Dave Welborn
Enrique Cosme
Garrett Bender
Henry Borja
Joe Delekto
Kevin Oppenheimer
Luis Ziegenhirt
Petrus van Staden
Scott Barry
Todd Moran

There is a lot more on the website http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

[ParlourCash Karl]

F-U-Jimmy, exactly good post....these fuckers robed the small mom and pop sites for all they had, us included.....fuck they gave out IOU's.....much good they did....now they come back and rub our faces in it......we were lucky to survive.....hope they burn in hell........and that would be too good for them....anyone prcocessing with them in the future deserves what they get...hope they fucking burn...assholes...apologies for the anamosity, but these cunts fucked a lot of us and now they return and think all is forgiven....

[fuzebox]

Also interesting how similar Imexposed.com is to Imlive.com, who was Ibill's biggest customer back in the day.

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Also interesting how similar Imexposed.com is to Imlive.com, who was Ibill's biggest customer back in the day.

Iballs is up to its old tricks, give a large client a deal on processing to spam the boards with "The Good Word" and what a great company Ibill is. I dont believe this guy is a client just a very poorly concealed moron that works for Ibill try to boost flagging sales.
Now that I know they are back ( if indeed they are ) ill make it my business to update everyone on Ibills past history....

[tammix]

oh man, this was a good one, we should read firs at least a couple of pages when we log in
good performance rodrigo cabron!

[ParlourCash Karl]

Fuck this opens up old wounds...these MOFO's fucked so many of us...some to the end ...others like us so close to it......now they want to come back and pick up where they left off....anyone stupid enough to sign with them deserves what they get.....maybe one of the big players that got fucked will look to possibly take this further if they can, I'm sure many like us will give all we have to help.......the small sites have been forced to take it on the chin if they could survive.....but with the involvement of one of the big ones something could be done......

[Unlimited]