you guys that think AFF going under will affect tube sites are dreaming.

[mikesinner]

Look around. There is still awe on a lot of them. The aff dating site is nothing to put together. I know of a sponsor that has a clone aff site that is already on the tubes. Nothing is going to change to help the honest affiliate so don't get your hopes up.

[Paul Markham]

Someone will step up to replace AFF, However will they pay what AFF paid for advertising space?

Tubes are not free, they cost money and the costs will start to rise as fewer people have money to spend. And the return will drop.

[KillerK]

the traffic quality and revenue it makes the dating sites is absolutely sick.

I wish I ran a dating site and had my ads running.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Look around. There is still awe on a lot of them. The aff dating site is nothing to put together. I know of a sponsor that has a clone aff site that is already on the tubes. Nothing is going to change to help the honest affiliate so don't get your hopes up.

Thank you for enlightening us all with your words of wisdom, and no solution whatsoever to the problem.

Me, I'll be happy if AFF goes under, because of all of the damage that they have wreaked upon legitimate people in the adult biz, while enriching the scumbag bottom dwellers whose existence is based upon stolen content and advertising subsidies by greedy companies without a conscience.

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[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Look around. There is still awe on a lot of them. The aff dating site is nothing to put together. I know of a sponsor that has a clone aff site that is already on the tubes. Nothing is going to change to help the honest affiliate so don't get your hopes up.

I don't see upstart dating sites running on a clone script paying anywhere near what AFF has been paying for ad spots on the top illegal tube sites.

But either way it will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I don't see upstart dating sites running on a clone script paying anywhere near what AFF has been paying for ad spots on the top illegal tube sites.

But either way it will be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out.

I'm sure that dating site scammers will be able to get lots of dates in jail...

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[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Thank you for enlightening us all with your words of wisdom, and no solution whatsoever to the problem.

Me, I'll be happy if AFF goes under, because of all of the damage that they have wreaked upon legitimate people in the adult biz, while enriching the scumbag bottom dwellers whose existence is based upon stolen content and advertising subsidies by greedy companies without a conscience.

ADG

I don't think there is a real solution. As surfers get faster connections they demand more content at a lower price. Tubes fill that demand.

The adult biz has always been surfer driven.

In the future the fhg model may be dead and it may all be about choosing the best sponsor promo content for your tube.

That will translate into less of a demand for working webmasters as there only needs to be a few hundred tube sites.

[NYRangers]

Originally Posted by KillerK

the traffic quality and revenue it makes the dating sites is absolutely sick.

I wish I ran a dating site and had my ads running.

I personally think you are too retarded to run anything profitable without someone's help. Prove me wrong...

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't think there is a real solution. As surfers get faster connections they demand more content at a lower price. Tubes fill that demand.

The adult biz has always been surfer driven.

In the future the fhg model may be dead and it may all be about choosing the best sponsor promo content for your tube.

That will translate into less of a demand for working webmasters as there only needs to be a few hundred tube sites.

Stealing content is wrong, m'kay - just like "sharing" copyrighted content that you didn't produce is.

What happens when the legitimate producers are forced out of the biz? Do you expect the tube site owners, with no experience (and little or substandard equipment/skills) to suddenly become producers (after much of the talent has already also disappeared)?

Whomever does that will quickly find that their expensive to produce content is being leeched off of them from the rest of the pack of weasels whom they lay in bed with.

Plain and simple, the thieves, and the bad guys supporting the thieves, need to be shunned and forced out of business, not the legitimate producers.



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[Klen]

It will be probaly replaced with brazzers dating site.

[Paul Markham]

Mike sorry but you're wrong.

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't think there is a real solution. As surfers get faster connections they demand more content at a lower price. Tubes fill that demand.

That demand has to be paid for. No adverts paying the BW and producing a profit Tubes sink. Is that logical enough for you.

The adult biz has always been surfer driven.

No industry is driven by passers by, they are all driven by BUYERS. That has been the biggest problem in peoples thinking on the Adult Internet, they equated passers by with sales.

In the future the fhg model may be dead and it may all be about choosing the best sponsor promo content for your tube.

True, it's about the sponsor with the content that produces the money to run the Tubes. Not the sponsor with the content that gets the most free viewers.

That will translate into less of a demand for working webmasters as there only needs to be a few hundred tube sites.

Only if those few Tubes can run at a profit.

All business, except charities, are run on profits. If it costs more to run than it takes it closes. Tubes are in for a rough ride as more people will lose the ability to pay and will still want porn. They will face higher costs and lower returns.

This business has told itself for 8 years it's all about traffic. It's not. It's about the people who buy and what it costs to get them.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

It will be probaly replaced with brazzers dating site.

Only if it makes a profit. LOL

[gooddomains]

who needs profit, everything should be free

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gooddomains

who needs profit, everything should be free

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by gooddomains

who needs profit, everything should be free

[Donfoolio]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Thank you for enlightening us all with your words of wisdom, and no solution whatsoever to the problem.

Me, I'll be happy if AFF goes under, because of all of the damage that they have wreaked upon legitimate people in the adult biz, while enriching the scumbag bottom dwellers whose existence is based upon stolen content and advertising subsidies by greedy companies without a conscience.

ADG

I agree 100%

That plus they jerked me out of 150 bucks long ago haha

[Miguel T]

Probalbly most tube sites will close down...

[BAKO]

the prices of traffic will drop and most of the big traffic brokers will take a shit

[WarChild]

The assumption that tube sites make most of their income from dating sponsors is simply that, an assumption.

You idiots are dreaming if you think losing AFF will make any difference at all.

[doridori]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Someone will step up to replace AFF, However will they pay what AFF paid for advertising space?

Tubes are not free, they cost money and the costs will start to rise as fewer people have money to spend. And the return will drop.

i lol'd

[HorseShit]

Originally Posted by WarChild

The assumption that tube sites make most of their income from dating sponsors is simply that, an assumption.

You idiots are dreaming if you think losing AFF will make any difference at all.

[Agent 488]

don't think anyone has actually looked at a tube site? just read about them on gfy?

look at the tube, user driven and torrent sites - plenty of other sponsors advertising and banners being run ....

[sortie]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Look around. There is still awe on a lot of them. The aff dating site is nothing to put together. I know of a sponsor that has a clone aff site that is already on the tubes. Nothing is going to change to help the honest affiliate so don't get your hopes up.

Well, I'm leaning toward believing that if AFF could not make a serious profit with
all it's branding and recognition and database then no clone script is going to do
anything.

People join the site because they think other people are there already.
I don't see that just throwing up a script is going to do that because wouldn't
plenty of people have done it already a take AFF market share away?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by sortie

Well, I'm leaning toward believing that if AFF could not make a serious profit with
all it's branding and recognition and database then no clone script is going to do
anything.

People join the site because they think other people are there already.
I don't see that just throwing up a script is going to do that because wouldn't
plenty of people have done it already a take AFF market share away?

Ever heard of Fling? Happens all the time and works.

[mynameisjim]

This thread is getting out of control again because of a lack of proper terminology for different types of tube sites.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by slapass

Ever heard of Fling? Happens all the time and works.

Yeah, I've promoted fling. Was good shit for me...but......

I just don't see how their mere existence proves that they are raking in the profit.
I mean, after all, AFF existed too.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't think there is a real solution. As surfers get faster connections they demand more content at a lower price. Tubes fill that demand.

The adult biz has always been surfer driven.

They arent paying anything with tubes and if tubes had to pay for all that content the model would of failed.youtube is a failure cant pay for itself, ads will not pay for everything that was tried before and failed. As stated before its the consumer drives things not the freeloader with a internet connection. I wouldn't even want to try to guess how many that go to tube sites are even old enough to have a credit card.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by tony404

They arent paying anything with tubes and if tubes had to pay for all that content the model would of failed.youtube is a failure cant pay for itself, ads will not pay for everything that was tried before and failed. As stated before its the consumer drives things not the freeloader with a internet connection. I wouldn't even want to try to guess how many that go to tube sites are even old enough to have a credit card.

Any explanation why I can convert tube traffic about twice as well as tgp traffic? I mean other than just wild assumptions about tube sites?

People said the same thing about TGPs you know ...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Any explanation why I can convert tube traffic about twice as well as tgp traffic? I mean other than just wild assumptions about tube sites?

People said the same thing about TGPs you know ...

Unless I see stats how do I know this?

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Any explanation why I can convert tube traffic about twice as well as tgp traffic? I mean other than just wild assumptions about tube sites?

People said the same thing about TGPs you know ...

Like I said above, what type of tube site are you talking about? I doubt you mean a site like tube8 is converting better than a quality TGP for paysites. Legal, sponsor friendly tube sites do convert, but I think we are talking about illegal sites with stolen 40 minute clips.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't think there is a real solution. As surfers get faster connections they demand more content at a lower price. Tubes fill that demand.

The adult biz has always been surfer driven.

In the future the fhg model may be dead and it may all be about choosing the best sponsor promo content for your tube.

That will translate into less of a demand for working webmasters as there only needs to be a few hundred tube sites.

Feel free to submit your resignation any time toots.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Mike sorry but you're wrong.

That demand has to be paid for. No adverts paying the BW and producing a profit Tubes sink. Is that logical enough for you.

No industry is driven by passers by, they are all driven by BUYERS. That has been the biggest problem in peoples thinking on the Adult Internet, they equated passers by with sales.

True, it's about the sponsor with the content that produces the money to run the Tubes. Not the sponsor with the content that gets the most free viewers.

Only if those few Tubes can run at a profit.

All business, except charities, are run on profits. If it costs more to run than it takes it closes. Tubes are in for a rough ride as more people will lose the ability to pay and will still want porn. They will face higher costs and lower returns.

This business has told itself for 8 years it's all about traffic. It's not. It's about the people who buy and what it costs to get them.

So fucking true dat.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Like I said above, what type of tube site are you talking about? I doubt you mean a site like tube8 is converting better than a quality TGP for paysites. Legal, sponsor friendly tube sites do convert, but I think we are talking about illegal sites with stolen 40 minute clips.

good point two very different things.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by tony404

Unless I see stats how do I know this?

Well there's no reason for me to lie about it. I'm telling you I can convert tube traffic, on the exact same sponsor sites, about twice as well as TGP.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Like I said above, what type of tube site are you talking about? I doubt you mean a site like tube8 is converting better than a quality TGP for paysites. Legal, sponsor friendly tube sites do convert, but I think we are talking about illegal sites with stolen 40 minute clips.

All different types of tube sites. Most have 40 minute clips mixed in with the 3-5 minute ones.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by WarChild

The assumption that tube sites make most of their income from dating sponsors is simply that, an assumption.

You idiots are dreaming if you think losing AFF will make any difference at all.

Totally. AFF is one of the shittiest sites around but it still converts.

There are many better programs that allow tubes to advertise them.

[crockett]

No one will pay what AFF is paying them.. Sure others may step up but the profit margins will certainly go down for tube sites.

Sure AFF alone might not put most tubes out of biz, but you also have to look at the new MC rules on xsales. MC is a big ass chunk of sales for sponsors like Brazzers whom are the other heavy hitters on tubes whom make a lot of profits with the shady cross sales.

When Visa follows suit and kills the xsales as well it's gonna hurt programs like Brazzers because you are likely talking a shit load of income being wiped off the plate for them. No way can they replace that easy so either the shave will go up or the PPS will go down.. Which further cuts into the profit margin for the tubes.

[Profits of Doom]

AFF is far from the only sponsor that allows tubes to monetize themselves. Fling and Horny Matches are two other big dating sponsors that I know for a fact are paying for advertising space. Then you look at programs like More Niche and other penis enlargement programs, escort sites, online adult stores, VOD, Virtual Girl HD, and several other programs that accept tube traffic. They may not prepay, but don't think for a minute the tubes can't make sales from them.

Then you have the forums like pornbb and some of the bigger blogs like allkindsofxxx.com (that fucker even puts his site's watermarks on the videos), and they don't take up near the bandwidth that a tube site does. Just take a look at those sites and you can see the ways they are monetizing them...

[Choker]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well there's no reason for me to lie about it. I'm telling you I can convert tube traffic, on the exact same sponsor sites, about twice as well as TGP.

Finally someone who gets it. Tube sites are a gold mine, PERIOD

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

AFF is far from the only sponsor that allows tubes to monetize themselves. Fling and Horny Matches are two other big dating sponsors that I know for a fact are paying for advertising space. Then you look at programs like More Niche and other penis enlargement programs, escort sites, online adult stores, VOD, Virtual Girl HD, and several other programs that accept tube traffic. They may not prepay, but don't think for a minute the tubes can't make sales from them.

Then you have the forums like pornbb and some of the bigger blogs like allkindsofxxx.com (that fucker even puts his site's watermarks on the videos), and they don't take up near the bandwidth that a tube site does. Just take a look at those sites and you can see the ways they are monetizing them...

You have a good point, others will pick up the spots AFF vacate, assuming they do vacate them, the problem is the price they pay. Adverts and traffic don't mean diddly squat if they don't bring in more than they cost. And there is your key. I have heard so many idiots over the years tell me that traffic = money. Well it does not it equals a loss until it buys more than it costs.

Clearly the ads AFF put out did not make them a fortune.

Do these ads really do as well as we think? A lot of advertising in the past was to prove you can afford to advertise, the biggest promos were just to show how big you were. The future is not going to that kind to us. I know of one very big company that is slashing it's content budgets because of the economy. Next will be adverts that cost more than they return.

[tranza]

Bumpppppp

[andy83]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Thank you for enlightening us all with your words of wisdom, and no solution whatsoever to the problem.

Me, I'll be happy if AFF goes under, because of all of the damage that they have wreaked upon legitimate people in the adult biz, while enriching the scumbag bottom dwellers whose existence is based upon stolen content and advertising subsidies by greedy companies without a conscience.

ADG

very well said.

[mikesinner]

Traffic is traffic to a lot of cam and dating sites, not just aff.

[WarChild]

The best part is that people are guessing at what actually makes money on tubes, but as far as I can tell none of them own any tubes or have any tube traffic.

People come to tube sites to see porn. Not to get dates, not to buy toys and not to buy DVDs. Porn memberships are the biggest sellers on tube sites. Now I know, it flies in the face of what you believe is true. Trust me, you don't know shit.

Think of it like this. I like coffee. I make a pot every morning. I also like to go to starbucks. If you set up a cart giving away cups of coffee absolutely free, right in front of starbucks, I'd walk right passed and buy the Mocha I want at starbucks.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by WarChild

The best part is that people are guessing at what actually makes money on tubes, but as far as I can tell none of them own any tubes or have any tube traffic.

People come to tube sites to see porn. Not to get dates, not to buy toys and not to buy DVDs. Porn memberships are the biggest sellers on tube sites. Now I know, it flies in the face of what you believe is true. Trust me, you don't know shit.

Think of it like this. I like coffee. I make a pot every morning. I also like to go to starbucks. If you set up a cart giving away cups of coffee absolutely free, right in front of starbucks, I'd walk right passed and buy the Mocha I want at starbucks.

If you are referring to me, trust me I am not guessing. Just like you aren't willing to reveal what tubes you can convert on, neither am I. I was just putting it out there how many ways a tube site, and a Rapidshare blog or forum, can be monetized. I know porn memberships sell on those sites, but so do dating, cams, penis enlargement, VOD, etc. I have personally converted on all of those, some far more than others, but all of them to an extent. In addition to private deals I won't get in to, I have bought traffic via text links from Madison Ave and Black Label Ads on many tube sites and Rapidshare blogs and forums, and I have been able to convert all of the programs I have mentioned...

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

If you are referring to me, trust me I am not guessing. Just like you aren't willing to reveal what tubes you can convert on, neither am I. I was just putting it out there how many ways a tube site, and a Rapidshare blog or forum, can be monetized. I know porn memberships sell on those sites, but so do dating, cams, penis enlargement, VOD, etc. I have personally converted on all of those, some far more than others, but all of them to an extent. In addition to private deals I won't get in to, I have bought traffic via text links from Madison Ave and Black Label Ads on many tube sites and Rapidshare blogs and forums, and I have been able to convert all of the programs I have mentioned...

I'm not really speaking to anyone specifically. There does seem to be a whole bunch of people that desperately believe tube sites only sell dating memberships and that no tube surfers are ever willing to buy porn members. It's absolute ignorance at it's finest.

[thaifan99]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm not really speaking to anyone specifically. There does seem to be a whole bunch of people that desperately believe tube sites only sell dating memberships and that no tube surfers are ever willing to buy porn members. It's absolute ignorance at it's finest.

They need to go look at xtube and see the flood of videos from sponsors cutting out the affiliate if they believe that.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm not really speaking to anyone specifically. There does seem to be a whole bunch of people that desperately believe tube sites only sell dating memberships and that no tube surfers are ever willing to buy porn members. It's absolute ignorance at it's finest.

I think the major ignorance is that they believe it is all freeloader traffic, period, and that you can't convert it to anything. People stumble on to tube sites all the time, and not just broke people. If you see something you like there, chance are you are only going to see a few videos tops. If you have some money in your pocket you are going to join the site to get more. There are a ton of ways you can convert the traffic, and because there is so much of it the throw it against the wall and see if it sticks method applies..

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

I think the major ignorance is that they believe it is all freeloader traffic, period, and that you can't convert it to anything. People stumble on to tube sites all the time, and not just broke people. If you see something you like there, chance are you are only going to see a few videos tops. If you have some money in your pocket you are going to join the site to get more. There are a ton of ways you can convert the traffic, and because there is so much of it the throw it against the wall and see if it sticks method applies..

Bingo. Everytime I seem someone post that tube traffic is worthless freeloaders, I just snicker. It's never anyone that has tube traffic, it's always those who do not.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Bingo. Everytime I seem someone post that tube traffic is worthless freeloaders, I just snicker. It's never anyone that has tube traffic, it's always those who do not.

I know I trust your opinion on this.