My predictions for this Industry for 2009

[Choker]

The writing is on the wall, here's what's gonna happen:

Old timer TGP's and MGP's will continue to decline in traffic, especially bookmarkers as tube sites will continue to take your valuable bookmarkers. Dont believe me? Let's take a look at Alexa

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ils/thehun.com
3 mos. Change -246 Traffic Rank 2399

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...s/worldsex.com
3 mos. Change -201 Traffic Rank 1672

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...leazydream.com
3 mos. Change -867 Traffic Rank 4789
Wow, dont worry Sleazy I'll throw you a bone and hire you to review galleries or something like that buddy.


Now let's take a look at some tube sites shall we?

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ls/pornhub.com
3 mos. Change +5 Traffic Rank 55

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ails/tube8.com
3 mos. Change +24 Traffic Rank 112

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ls/redtube.com
3 mos. Change -4 Traffic Rank 54


Notice your checks from sponsors getting smaller and smaller? That's because the economy is bad then add in the proliferation of tube sites and there you go. However if your main sponsors are dating sites your ok. Tube sites convert anything really good EXCEPT porn. Even stupid shit like financial advice sites convert on tube sites. All this whinning and bitching about tube sites is not gonna make them go away. 2009 we will see many more tube sites and less TGP's and MGP's. Look around you, many TGP's and MGP's have been converted into tube sites. It's the future like it or not. Just like in the days when MGP's came out all the oldtimers whinned and cried instead of building MGP's and making money they sat on their asses and watched all their bookmarkers jump ship.

BOTTOM LINE

Our industry is evolving. 2009 will be the year that PORN will no longer be the end product we sell. It will become the advertising tool we use to sell other products.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Nice post choker!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

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[Bama]

Monday or Tuesday is going to have a surprise for all you guys. I think you'll like it

[V_RocKs]

I think 2010/2011 will be the time of the Tubes. This is just the beginning.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Choker

The writing is on the wall, here's what's gonna happen:

Old timer TGP's and MGP's will continue to decline in traffic, especially bookmarkers as tube sites will continue to take your valuable bookmarkers. Dont believe me? Let's take a look at Alexa

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ils/thehun.com
3 mos. Change -246 Traffic Rank 2399

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...s/worldsex.com
3 mos. Change -201 Traffic Rank 1672

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...leazydream.com
3 mos. Change -867 Traffic Rank 4789
Wow, dont worry Sleazy I'll throw you a bone and hire you to review galleries or something like that buddy.


Now let's take a look at some tube sites shall we?

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ls/pornhub.com
3 mos. Change +5 Traffic Rank 55

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ails/tube8.com
3 mos. Change +24 Traffic Rank 112

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ls/redtube.com
3 mos. Change -4 Traffic Rank 54


Notice your checks from sponsors getting smaller and smaller? That's because the economy is bad then add in the proliferation of tube sites and there you go. However if your main sponsors are dating sites your ok. Tube sites convert anything really good EXCEPT porn. Even stupid shit like financial advice sites convert on tube sites. All this whinning and bitching about tube sites is not gonna make them go away. 2009 we will see many more tube sites and less TGP's and MGP's. Look around you, many TGP's and MGP's have been converted into tube sites. It's the future like it or not. Just like in the days when MGP's came out all the oldtimers whinned and cried instead of building MGP's and making money they sat on their asses and watched all their bookmarkers jump ship.

BOTTOM LINE

Our industry is evolving. 2009 will be the year that PORN will no longer be the end product we sell. It will become the advertising tool we use to sell other products.

And when the governments start cracking down and people will wonder why.Also you list tubes full of illegal content. A business model based on stolen content isnt a business model.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Bama

Monday or Tuesday is going to have a surprise for all you guys. I think you'll like it

Any hint on what that might be?

[Zuzana Designs]

Originally Posted by Bama

Monday or Tuesday is going to have a surprise for all you guys. I think you'll like it

I like the sound of that..

[Choker]

Originally Posted by tony404

And when the governments start cracking down and people will wonder why.Also you list tubes full of illegal content. A business model based on stolen content isnt a business model.

When and if that happens the tube sites will simply use licensed content. Many of the larger ones are already converting to licensed content. Most new tube sites are not using stolen content. I think the governments last priority is going after sites with unlicensed porn. Have they done anything yet?

[Jim_Gunn]

Tube sites will not go away but a lot of webmasters have said in other threads that they are selling porn memberships and clips on their tube sites. Choker you are selling tube traffic for webmasters and I am sure that all your buyers aren't just hoping to sell dating or cams or financial advice. If one has unique content or niche sites I have no doubt that memberships and Vod sales and clip sales will continue. 2009 won't be the end of porn. There will just be new ways of selling it including blogs and tubes and galleries and other sites. I personally have customers who spend over thirty dollars just for one video clip that I filmed ten years ago because it is something that appeals to them. Free tube videos are not a substitute for every taste.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by tony404

And when the governments start cracking down and people will wonder why.Also you list tubes full of illegal content. A business model based on stolen content isnt a business model.

Wait I missed that part about a business model. In no way do I think tube sites using unlicensed content is right, however if it is not a business model how come those tube sites are cashing 6 figure checks a month?

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Choker

BOTTOM LINE

Our industry is evolving. 2009 will be the year that PORN will no longer be the end product we sell. It will become the advertising tool we use to sell other products.

I like making money online. It doesn't matter to me whether it's porn, or something else. Maybe GFY's non-adult internet business topics will increase.

[GAMEFINEST]

tube domains are increasing in value.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Choker

When and if that happens the tube sites will simply use licensed content. Many of the larger ones are already converting to licensed content. Most new tube sites are not using stolen content. I think the governments last priority is going after sites with unlicensed porn. Have they done anything yet?

its giving underage viewers full access to porn with no gateway. That's not going to last forever. This is the only industry that truly fucks itself for short sighted gains.

[batts]

tube sites rock.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by tony404

And when the governments start cracking down and people will wonder why.Also you list tubes full of illegal content. A business model based on stolen content isnt a business model.

Sad to say that is not the case. Just look back through history. The Kennedy family is not any less wealthy because doing something was/is illegal.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Brujah

I like making money online. It doesn't matter to me whether it's porn, or something else. Maybe GFY's non-adult internet business topics will increase.

I agree. Most people spend all thier money. They dont save. People love buying shit online. If it's not porn its dating site memberships, cam shows, clothes, junk, etc. They will always buy online. We jsut have to find new products to sell them instead of porn. Sex has been used to sell products since the Roman Empire.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by tony404

its giving underage viewers full access to porn with no gateway. That's not going to last forever. This is the only industry that truly fucks itself for short sighted gains.

Where have you been for the last 15 years? It has lasted since the beginning of the internet my friend. Have you not kept up on the Supreme Court rulings on attempts to block access based on the allowing minors access to porn argument? Struck down every fucking time.

[Bama]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Any hint on what that might be?

I'm chomping at the bit wanting to spill my guts with the details!

[WiredGuy]

I would love to see the evolution of the DMCA to encompass social sites and tubes. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what happens between Viacom vs Youtube as that will hopefully set a precedent, otherwise content infringement is likely to explode in 2009.
WG

[EscortBiz]

hahahaha so far from whats about to happen its not even funny, then again if I was in the business of selling traffic id be saying the same shit

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by Choker

BOTTOM LINE

Our industry is evolving. 2009 will be the year that PORN will no longer be the end product we sell. It will become the advertising tool we use to sell other products.

Choker, what type of products do you plan on selling? You say dating and cams but you also mention the economy hurting sales in your post. Will cams continue to do good when they cost $200/hour. Seems they would get hurt the worst in a bad economy. Will dating sites do well as more free options pop up?

BTW, can you tell me which financial advice company advertises on the tube sites you mentioned? You said financial companies sell well on tube sites.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just looking for some answers.

Also, can you tell me how many tube sites you think the market can support once they all start running the same licensed content? Is it the same as the number of MGPs or do you think it's less? More?

[Bama]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Any hint on what that might be?

Acck.. hit a back button and just happened to be the submit page so - double post.

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[Choker]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

hahahaha so far from whats about to happen its not even funny, then again if I was in the business of selling traffic id be saying the same shit

Umm ok, so I guess I made those alexa rankings up eh? I guess sextracker is padding the stats of the old timer tgps and mpgs eh? I guess everyones checks from sponsors is getting bigger eh? I guess all this fuss about tube sites is a mirage? There really are no tube sites its a conspiracy right? Wow you really have your fucking head in the sand don't you? LOL

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by Bama

Monday or Tuesday is going to have a surprise for all you guys. I think you'll like it

Can't wait for it!

[Choker]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Choker, what type of products do you plan on selling? You say dating and cams but you also mention the economy hurting sales in your post. Will cams continue to do good when they cost $200/hour. Seems they would get hurt the worst in a bad economy. Will dating sites do well as more free options pop up?

BTW, can you tell me which financial advice company advertises on the tube sites you mentioned? You said financial companies sell well on tube sites.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just looking for some answers.

Also, can you tell me how many tube sites you think the market can support once they all start running the same licensed content? Is it the same as the number of MGPs or do you think it's less? More?

Good questions man. Let's look at our target audience. Typical over weight male in his late 30's 40's or early 50's wouldnt you agree? Prolly got a 3 bedroom house, wife whos's ass has gotten bigger over the years. 2 or 3 kids running around. Maybe a little money set aside in stocks. What would he possibly be interested in buying online? A cam show here or there so he get get hard and go fuck his fat wife? Prolly. Maybe something to spice up his sex life like Viagra? Prolly. Looking forward to the day he sends his kids to college? Prolly, no idea what to sell him on that but do u get where I'm coming from?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Choker

Umm ok, so I guess I made those alexa rankings up eh? I guess sextracker is padding the stats of the old timer tgps and mpgs eh? I guess everyones checks from sponsors is getting bigger eh? I guess all this fuss about tube sites is a mirage? There really are no tube sites its a conspiracy right? Wow you really have your fucking head in the sand don't you? LOL

Listen man you been selling shit traffic for years and now trying to push more shit traffic, I deal with real traffic real business not some fake crap fucking people all day long.

Now im obviously not arguing about tubes or anything like that mister, the only one whos about to lose their pants are people selling shit traffic, people like you.

I dont assume I spend serious cash testing new stuff new traffic all the time, if you would have be in the business of selling porn and producing porn and dealing with tons of people who pay for it you would understand this market, you only know about preying on webmasters and get cash for some Chinese exit traffic and other forms of junk traffic, thats all.

People who give you any sort of money for traffic are idiots, thats why you always have to prey on new people with new stupid offers.

In the coming months people expect to see more and more begging posts from Choker and his junk traffic, but with less newbies entering this business youll have to go back to mommies basement soon.

You always been junk

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Choker

Good questions man. Let's look at our target audience. Typical over weight male in his late 30's 40's or early 50's wouldnt you agree? Prolly got a 3 bedroom house, wife whos's ass has gotten bigger over the years. 2 or 3 kids running around. Maybe a little money set aside in stocks. What would he possibly be interested in buying online? A cam show here or there so he get get hard and go fuck his fat wife? Prolly. Maybe something to spice up his sex life like Viagra? Prolly. Looking forward to the day he sends his kids to college? Prolly, no idea what to sell him on that but do u get where I'm coming from?

you really have no clue! serious guys this man knows shit about "paying members" you do know things about free loaders

[cherrylula]

Happy New Year!

[CumSensei]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Listen man you been selling shit traffic for years and now trying to push more shit traffic, I deal with real traffic real business not some fake crap fucking people all day long.

Now im obviously not arguing about tubes or anything like that mister, the only one whos about to lose their pants are people selling shit traffic, people like you.

I dont assume I spend serious cash testing new stuff new traffic all the time, if you would have be in the business of selling porn and producing porn and dealing with tons of people who pay for it you would understand this market, you only know about preying on webmasters and get cash for some Chinese exit traffic and other forms of junk traffic, thats all.

People who give you any sort of money for traffic are idiots, thats why you always have to prey on new people with new stupid offers.

In the coming months people expect to see more and more begging posts from Choker and his junk traffic, but with less newbies entering this business youll have to go back to mommies basement soon.

You always been junk

Damn man, thats hard.

[Choker]

Begging posts? You have how many posts on GFY? Chinese exit traffic? Dumbass you must have me confused with someone else. I'll be in Miami in August why dont you say to my face what your little fingers are typing here. Trust me I will to your face. I was gonna say escort sites would be a good product on tube sites but wow with a attitude like yours you can go fuck your self PUNK. LOL

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Listen man you been selling shit traffic for years and now trying to push more shit traffic, I deal with real traffic real business not some fake crap fucking people all day long.

Now im obviously not arguing about tubes or anything like that mister, the only one whos about to lose their pants are people selling shit traffic, people like you.

I dont assume I spend serious cash testing new stuff new traffic all the time, if you would have be in the business of selling porn and producing porn and dealing with tons of people who pay for it you would understand this market, you only know about preying on webmasters and get cash for some Chinese exit traffic and other forms of junk traffic, thats all.

People who give you any sort of money for traffic are idiots, thats why you always have to prey on new people with new stupid offers.

In the coming months people expect to see more and more begging posts from Choker and his junk traffic, but with less newbies entering this business youll have to go back to mommies basement soon.

You always been junk

[Choker]

Originally Posted by CumSensei

Damn man, thats hard.

Yep too bad this dumb fuck ran his mouth, I'm getting big into dating sites looking for escort sites to upsell, funny how running your fat little mouth can hurt business.

[CrkMStanz]

Originally Posted by tony404

its giving underage viewers full access to porn with no gateway. That's not going to last forever.

yup - sooner or later this is going to be the driving force for getting it all locked up again.

and i will rejoice

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Choker

Begging posts? You have how many posts on GFY? Chinese exit traffic? Dumbass you must have me confused with someone else. I'll be in Miami in August why dont you say to my face what your little fingers are typing here. Trust me I will to your face. I was gonna say escort sites would be a good product on tube sites but wow with a attitude like yours you can go fuck your self PUNK. LOL

a) dont need you to say shit to have tube sites send me traffic to me, noone needs your approval, tube sites send my programs tons of traffic escort and other dating related stuff im involved in (if id have to guess id say they send me 250k clicks a wk easy), my point was that you have no clue of whats cooking legally related to mainstream tubes that will effect tubes in general.

b) the "come say to my face" line is old and stupid and childish, grow up!

By the way im in New York now and ill be in NY in Aug feel free to visit me and say to my face blah blah blah... real childish shit

[Choker]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

a) dont need you to say shit to have tube sites send me traffic to me, noone needs your approval, tube sites send my programs tons of traffic escort and other dating related stuff im involved in (if id have to guess id say they send me 250k clicks a wk easy), my point was that you have no clue of whats cooking legally related to mainstream tubes that will effect tubes in general.

b) the "come say to my face" line is old and stupid and childish, grow up!

By the way im in New York now and ill be in NY in Aug feel free to visit me and say to my face blah blah blah... real childish shit

What's childish is your keyboard warrior attitude, talk a lot of shit but when face to face you cower in a corner.Come to internext in Miami lets see how you talk shit about me in person. No reason for your slanderous remarks about me boy. I have no clue whats cooking? What are you a fucking mind reader now? Legal tubes are fine, non legal tubes can become legal in a matter of days.

[The Duck]

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