Last month, more U.S. soldiers killed themselves than died in combat in Iraq/Afghan. - GoFuckYourself.com

D Ghost · 02-05-2009, 08:05 PM

wow
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/05/arm...des/index.html

tony286 · 02-05-2009, 08:07 PM

thats because they all want to be there.

baddog · 02-05-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

thats because they all want to be there.

hmmm, guess I missed it. When did they reinstate the draft?

Ozarkz · 02-05-2009, 08:09 PM

That's fucked up.

tony286 · 02-05-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

hmmm, guess I missed it. When did they reinstate the draft?

you dont know about the backdoor draft,guys being unable to get out when their time was up? come on I expect you to be smarter than.

Si · 02-05-2009, 08:18 PM

thats not suprising

baddog · 02-05-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

you dont know about the backdoor draft,guys being unable to get out when their time was up? come on I expect you to be smarter than.

Blame the public school system I guess. They should probably read their enlistment papers before signing.

TeenSluts · 02-05-2009, 08:24 PM

sad to hear

Spunky · 02-05-2009, 09:22 PM

It takes a brave person to fight for his country but a coward to kill yourself.I could never understand it

NickB. · 02-05-2009, 09:36 PM

too much pressure on these guys - this sucks hardcore

tony286 · 02-05-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

It takes a brave person to fight for his country but a coward to kill yourself.I could never understand it

i think it probably takes alot of strength to take your own life. think about how bad things must be and how that this person feels they have no other option. its awful my heart goes to them and their families.

Spunky · 02-05-2009, 09:45 PM

I feel for the families that have to live with a spouse or kid who is in the military

TyroneGoldberg · 02-05-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the public school system I guess. They should probably read their enlistment papers before signing.

lol

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D Ghost · 02-05-2009, 11:47 PM

It's too psychologically stressful and intense. The things they have to deal with and see are not something the human mind is used to being exposed to, it's sick and twisted. But we all have no idea, the media shelters and censors us from whats really going on

bobby666 · 02-06-2009, 12:20 AM

that's not healthy

D Ghost · 02-06-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It's not just that. They are reservists. This means they have/had real jobs back in the states earning a "real" income and the lifestyle that supports it. Meaning you are making $4-5k a month with a family/mortgage then deployed for 18 months and now make only $1,200 a month? Outsides things are exploding and at home things are imploding.

good point

uno · 02-06-2009, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the public school system I guess. They should probably read their enlistment papers before signing.

It also didn't hurt that they tremendously lowered the standards for admittance.

V_RocKs · 02-06-2009, 02:11 AM

Probably because the military takes in more rejects now more than ever before!

John-ACWM · 02-06-2009, 10:51 AM

So sad,I hope suicidal thoughts will stay away from me

Martin · 02-06-2009, 10:53 AM

Guess they can't sleep so good after watching their buddies and innocent men, women and children have their guts blasted out.

_Richard_ · 02-06-2009, 10:56 AM

wonder if there is any correlation between the drugs they make these guys take and the amount of suicides

BradM · 02-06-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by uno

It also didn't hurt that they tremendously lowered the standards for admittance.

I hear they are accepting minorities, women and gays now.

Tom_PM · 02-06-2009, 11:02 AM

"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't like words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.

In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.

That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.

I'll bet you if we'd have still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha." - George Carlin

tranza · 02-06-2009, 11:28 AM

That's a pretty bad thing!

kowalsky · 02-06-2009, 12:31 PM

Sad! Poor guys, very young people. Poor them and their families...

Considering the huge business that many american companies made there, someone should help those families. I am talking about money, of course.

seeandsee · 02-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

wow
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/05/arm...des/index.html

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-06-2009, 12:52 PM

Uhh...
Soldiers always kill themselves during and after wars.

Why you people surprised because of some silly comparative statistic?

D Ghost · 02-06-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't like words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.

In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.

That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.

I'll bet you if we'd have still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha." - George Carlin

explained perfectly by one of the best

theking · 02-06-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

you dont know about the backdoor draft,guys being unable to get out when their time was up? come on I expect you to be smarter than.

That is a contractual obligation which every military person is aware of when they enlist and is not a "backdoor draft". When one enlists they are obligating themselves to 7 years of service.

theking · 02-06-2009, 01:37 PM

From the article.

""When people are apart you have infidelity, financial problems, substance abuse and child behavioral problems," Platoni said. "The more deployments, the more it is exacerbated."

This is the cause of suicides during times of peace as well. Combat Arms units are usually deployed about as much as they are at their home base even during peace time.

Cyndalie · 02-06-2009, 01:46 PM

After 3 tours in Iraq my BIL has PSTD bad. They kicked him out for alcoholism, gee guess why? He's been in a Vet hospital for the past 2 months.

D Ghost · 02-06-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyndalie

After 3 tours in Iraq my BIL has PSTD bad. They kicked him out for alcoholism, gee guess why? He's been in a Vet hospital for the past 2 months.

Yeah I knew a guy a couple year ago that came back from Iraq, and his cousin (who grew up with him, knew him since they were little kids) said he had never seen him drink like that before.

SilentKnight · 02-06-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

it's sad, very sad and it sucks. When you sign a contract (2x) with the government you are now a slave. You're handed a rifle and run around the woods for six weeks did you think that was it for a low interest home loan or collage money? Only desperate people or suckers join the military. Complete morons stay longer then 2-4 years unless you are an officer.

That's good - denegrate and belittle the military vets by labeling them "desperate, suckers and morons."

GFY has its share of garden variety assholes and morons - but you surely top the most despicable list.

Go fuck yourself.

RRRED · 02-06-2009, 01:59 PM

The depression and trauma disorders they suffer from is totally biochemical over time.

People seem to think if someone loses it and kills themselves, its the same sort of "depression" a little kid experiences when he looks out the window and it's raining so he can't play baseball that day.

They are not cowards. They are ill. They can be treated but the ignorant shit they have to face when trying to do so deters them from getting the help they need. Hopefully one day people will stop with the stigma against a person who's chemistry is thrown off. You wouldn't call someone with cancer "weak" or a "coward".

It's never a rational decision someone makes cuz they're having a less than perfect day. It's an illness that needs to be treated and not mocked.

I'd love to see the people who call them "cowards" trade places with them. I'd love to see how they'd face every shocking aspect and spiraling sense of hopelessness and "just be brave". Not to mention the drugs they could be taking have to be totally monitored by the week. The drugs alone, could have the complete opposite affect and you'd be surprised how quickly a person can feel complete doom when their brain chemistry is adjusted the wrong way. Everyone is different. There has to be room for changing meds and seeing what works for different people.

Walk in someones shoes before you stick a label and judgement on them

It's obviously a little more complex than being bummed out one day.

JP-pornshooter · 02-06-2009, 02:26 PM

there is such a huge difference between the life as a soldier and the regular politically correct life we live in the western world.
i think once you have been exposed and lived the life outside this "protected" world, things look different, and are not pretty or possible seem fake or un-real.

soon there will be robot soldiers who will carry out most of the dirty work..

IllTestYourGirls · 02-06-2009, 02:47 PM

RIP. I have had two friends die in the sand another came home and is having some mental probs. He cant sleep and all that shit.

WHEN WILL OBAMA BRING THEM HOME? Sadly just as quick as bush and even worse he will be sending them to Afghanistan to fight the other "good endless war"

SilentKnight · 02-06-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

oh...did I hurt your tiny little feeling? Should I jump up and salute your post and whistle the national anthem and then march off and go grill hot dogs? How about a little walk down memory lane?

This guy is a true American hero. Gives up his pro-football career and specifically asks to be posted in Afghanistan and gets killed by friendly fire. The military "manufactures" another story to make itself look better, but more so lies so the family can't sue or collect certain benefits. In short, this guy joins to protect his country and gets fucked by his own military. Or how 60 minutes exposed how the military were charging soldiers for body armor after they got blown up wearing it and had to have it cut off them.

I only have respect for vets that were drafted or joined to directly protect US when our homeland is in a direct threat. Other then that you're desperate, ignorant, or a complete moron to be in the military.

Ya' know...reading this crap you've tossed out almost hurts my head.

You say you only have respect for vets that were drafted or joined to protect the homeland USA. And the example you give is a "true American hero" who joined to "protect his country" and asks to be posted to Afghanistan.

While there's no denying the guy is a hero in every sense - I'm curious about one thing.

Going by your logic (sic) - when did Afghanistan declare war or become a direct threat on "homeland USA"?

Did you hurt my "tiny feelings"?

No.

As a military veteran myself (Artillery - Canadian Armed Forces)...we're obligated to serve and protect everyone including even the ungrateful and disrespectful assholes like you wherever they may be.

Fortunate for you - we don't get to choose.

Poindexterity · 02-06-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

hmmm, guess I missed it. When did they reinstate the draft?

ok, already mentioned

Rochard · 02-06-2009, 07:15 PM

More Marines die in the US on motorcycles on a yearly basis than died in Iraq. Go figure.

D Ghost · 02-06-2009, 07:18 PM

we live an industrial military complex state-of-mind.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-06-2009, 07:20 PM

"Going by your logic (sic) - when did Afghanistan declare war or become a direct threat on "homeland USA"?

Uhmm dude... Error.

Direct threat confirmed on 9/11.

TyroneGoldberg · 02-06-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Blame the public school system I guess. They should probably read their enlistment papers before signing.

it's more that they see themselves for what they truly are and can't stand the things they done in the name of 'war on terror'

HorseShit · 02-06-2009, 07:47 PM

cliff notes for this thread?

DWB · 02-06-2009, 07:50 PM

"This is terrifying," an Army official said. "We do not know what is going on."

BULLSHIT!!!

My friend owns a hotel in Thailand that caters to military, special forces and mercs. Any given day you can find a few of them there on break from either Afganistan or Iraq or mercs from Africa. The stories they tell do NOT match what the media says in any way. They all tell stories about straight up murdering women, children and wiping out entire villages full of civilians just so they can own a poppy field in Afganistan so some pharmaceutical company can harvest the poppies. They talk about killing entire towns they believe are hiding "insurgents" when it turns out that they were not. Everyone one of them has the same horrible stories. It's Vietnam all over again only this time you're never going to hear about all the evil we are doing.

And they wonder why these guys kill themselves? Because they are turned into mass murders and can't live with the guilt.

scottybuzz · 02-06-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

More Marines die in the US on motorcycles on a yearly basis than died in Iraq. Go figure.

Thanks, finally a post that puts things into perspective.

Matt 26z · 02-06-2009, 08:19 PM

I would venture to guess that the mindset of soldiers is just to fight for their own survival at this point.

There can't be any sense of pride anymore. Not when Iraqi's - the very people they are getting killed and maimed for - want them out of the country.

SilentKnight · 02-06-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

You miss my point. First, I was talking about the US military. I'm not Canadian, so I can't comment on your country or your service. Why, because your service has ZERO to do with my life, politics, or country

That's good to hear. I'll send a telegram to Prime Minister Harper and tell him we no longer need to fight alongside American troops in northern Afghanistan.

Not sure how Obama will take the news, however.

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

The vast majority of the people who join the military primary goal is to capitalize from the benefits provided to advance their life/carrier outside the military.

Really?

I'd be interested in seeing your reference source for this assumptive assertion.

I'm not denying there are opportunist people in the military who take advantage of the benefits and monetary opportunities - but what are you basing your claim of "the vast majority"?

Matt 26z · 02-06-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Now fast forward to the present. Americans have the worst dept in history. That?s human history. And we owe a the most dept ever recorded in history to a country that is?..wait for it?..communists.

And that debt will never be paid back. The real purpose of WW3 will be for the US to force the defeated into forgiving our debt. I just feel sorry for the massive number of boys just out of high school who are going to die for the debt we are running up today.

DWB · 02-06-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't like words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that.

There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap.

In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves.

That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder.

I'll bet you if we'd have still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha." - George Carlin

I saw a report where X amount of prostitutes were studied. ALL OF THEM suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, the same as soldiers who have seen war. Nasty stuff.

SilentKnight · 02-06-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Source? Just walk into any military recruiters office. Seriously.

That's your source?

I take it you've never actually served in the military yourself or have firsthand knowledge/experience with military personnel.

02-05-2009, 08:05 PM	#1
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Last month, more U.S. soldiers killed themselves than died in combat in Iraq/Afghan. wow http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/05/arm...des/index.html

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D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	It's too psychologically stressful and intense. The things they have to deal with and see are not something the human mind is used to being exposed to, it's sick and twisted. But we all have no idea, the media shelters and censors us from whats really going on

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,986	wonder if there is any correlation between the drugs they make these guys take and the amount of suicides

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't like words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue. Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, we're up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car. Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I'll bet you if we'd have still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha." - George Carlin __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar. Last edited by Tom_PM; 02-06-2009 at 11:04 AM..

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RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	The depression and trauma disorders they suffer from is totally biochemical over time. People seem to think if someone loses it and kills themselves, its the same sort of "depression" a little kid experiences when he looks out the window and it's raining so he can't play baseball that day. They are not cowards. They are ill. They can be treated but the ignorant shit they have to face when trying to do so deters them from getting the help they need. Hopefully one day people will stop with the stigma against a person who's chemistry is thrown off. You wouldn't call someone with cancer "weak" or a "coward". It's never a rational decision someone makes cuz they're having a less than perfect day. It's an illness that needs to be treated and not mocked. I'd love to see the people who call them "cowards" trade places with them. I'd love to see how they'd face every shocking aspect and spiraling sense of hopelessness and "just be brave". Not to mention the drugs they could be taking have to be totally monitored by the week. The drugs alone, could have the complete opposite affect and you'd be surprised how quickly a person can feel complete doom when their brain chemistry is adjusted the wrong way. Everyone is different. There has to be room for changing meds and seeing what works for different people. Walk in someones shoes before you stick a label and judgement on them It's obviously a little more complex than being bummed out one day.

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JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	there is such a huge difference between the life as a soldier and the regular politically correct life we live in the western world. i think once you have been exposed and lived the life outside this "protected" world, things look different, and are not pretty or possible seem fake or un-real. soon there will be robot soldiers who will carry out most of the dirty work..

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	RIP. I have had two friends die in the sand another came home and is having some mental probs. He cant sleep and all that shit. WHEN WILL OBAMA BRING THEM HOME? Sadly just as quick as bush and even worse he will be sending them to Afghanistan to fight the other "good endless war" __________________

02-06-2009, 07:15 PM	#39
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,858	More Marines die in the US on motorcycles on a yearly basis than died in Iraq. Go figure. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

02-06-2009, 07:18 PM	#40
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	we live an industrial military complex state-of-mind.

02-06-2009, 07:20 PM	#41
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	"Going by your logic (sic) - when did Afghanistan declare war or become a direct threat on "homeland USA"? Uhmm dude... Error. Direct threat confirmed on 9/11. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-06-2009, 07:47 PM	#43
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	cliff notes for this thread?

02-06-2009, 07:50 PM	#44
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	"This is terrifying," an Army official said. "We do not know what is going on." BULLSHIT!!! My friend owns a hotel in Thailand that caters to military, special forces and mercs. Any given day you can find a few of them there on break from either Afganistan or Iraq or mercs from Africa. The stories they tell do NOT match what the media says in any way. They all tell stories about straight up murdering women, children and wiping out entire villages full of civilians just so they can own a poppy field in Afganistan so some pharmaceutical company can harvest the poppies. They talk about killing entire towns they believe are hiding "insurgents" when it turns out that they were not. Everyone one of them has the same horrible stories. It's Vietnam all over again only this time you're never going to hear about all the evil we are doing. And they wonder why these guys kill themselves? Because they are turned into mass murders and can't live with the guilt.

02-06-2009, 08:19 PM	#46
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	I would venture to guess that the mindset of soldiers is just to fight for their own survival at this point. There can't be any sense of pride anymore. Not when Iraqi's - the very people they are getting killed and maimed for - want them out of the country.