its the auto unions fault

[tony286]

oh wait nissan doesnt have unions to deal with hmmmm
http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/09/nis...rss_popstories

[After Shock Media]

blah blah. The unions do carry a lot of fault with the mess. Though it does not allow itself to fit perfectly into most peoples black and white views. Sales are down in general for automakers. So people are talking about surviving. Unions have gotten in the way of that here time and time again.
On Nissans behalf - no bonuses as well as payroll cuts for board members/officers, aside from firing 20k workers.

Does it show anywhere how well they would be doing paying union wages, retirement plans, family health care and everything else attached or would they even still be around if they did that?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

blah blah. The unions do carry a lot of fault with the mess. Though it does not allow itself to fit perfectly into most peoples black and white views. Sales are down in general for automakers. So people are talking about surviving. Unions have gotten in the way of that here time and time again.
On Nissans behalf - no bonuses as well as payroll cuts for board members/officers, aside from firing 20k workers.

Does it show anywhere how well they would be doing paying union wages, retirement plans, family health care and everything else attached or would they even still be around if they did that?

well where they live health care is provided by the government. So that would give them a advantage wouldn't it?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by tony404

well where they live health care is provided by the government. So that would give them a advantage wouldn't it?

"To ensure as swift a return to profitability as possible, Ghosn said Nissan is undertaking a series of emergency measures. For instance, the company will suspend its current business plan, announced last May; cut capital expenditure by 21%; and slash labor costs in line with falling sales. "Our goal is to have positive cash flow for 2009—by any means possible," he said.

The transition will be painful. To get back in the black, Nissan plans to reduce its head count by 20,000 employees, to 215,000 worldwide, by March 2010 and reduce labor costs in what it calls high-cost countries by 20%, to $7.8 billion."

There is no worldwide healthcare I am aware of and there are plants in the US - which I would assume is a high cost country.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

"To ensure as swift a return to profitability as possible, Ghosn said Nissan is undertaking a series of emergency measures. For instance, the company will suspend its current business plan, announced last May; cut capital expenditure by 21%; and slash labor costs in line with falling sales. "Our goal is to have positive cash flow for 2009?by any means possible," he said.

The transition will be painful. To get back in the black, Nissan plans to reduce its head count by 20,000 employees, to 215,000 worldwide, by March 2010 and reduce labor costs in what it calls high-cost countries by 20%, to $7.8 billion."

There is no worldwide healthcare I am aware of and there are plants in the US - which I would assume is a high cost country.

most of their company is japan not in the us. Where there is goverment health care.

[After Shock Media]

You have stressed over and over again your pro union and nothing at all will change that stance. No point in going back and forth on that. We are at fairly strong polarities on this. I dislike unions and while at it I also would destroy the board of ED, strip teachers of their unions as well and then make them all reapply for their jobs.
Also strongly think that seniority should not be a factor in auto jobs or most others and should be one of the lowest factors in keeping someone employed when a company needs to fire people.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You have stressed over and over again your pro union and nothing at all will change that stance. No point in going back and forth on that. We are at fairly strong polarities on this. I dislike unions and while at it I also would destroy the board of ED, strip teachers of their unions as well and then make them all reapply for their jobs.
Also strongly think that seniority should not be a factor in auto jobs or most others and should be one of the lowest factors in keeping someone employed when a company needs to fire people.

Very well said.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You have stressed over and over again your pro union and nothing at all will change that stance. No point in going back and forth on that. We are at fairly strong polarities on this. I dislike unions and while at it I also would destroy the board of ED, strip teachers of their unions as well and then make them all reapply for their jobs.
Also strongly think that seniority should not be a factor in auto jobs or most others and should be one of the lowest factors in keeping someone employed when a company needs to fire people.

We have both entitled to have our opinion.If we all agreed it would be a very boring board wouldnt it

[tony286]

Originally Posted by tony404

We have both entitled to have our opinion.If we all agreed it would be a very boring board wouldnt it

We are both entitled to have our opinions, I meant. Cant do two things at once. lol