Federal Reserve

[2012]

Federal = it is a private corporation, not a government entity
Reserve = it has no stores of value

Originally Posted by Andrew Jackson

"The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it." - Andrew Jackson (1767-1845) 7th US President

Originally Posted by Some guy named Edgar

What happens if the FR refuses to make a loan to the government? What happens as all the currency currently held by individuals is slowly used to pay taxes (which then uses it to pay the interest on the government loan), but no new currency is entering the system via more government loans from the FR? If you have to pay back $500 extra on the $1000 you borrowed but you only have an amount in circulation equal to what you have borrowed in the past, what does that do to the value of that existing currency still in circulation? Or worse, what happens to the value of that currency if instead of denying the loan, the FR grants the loan? The answer to the last question is the reason a car cost $1000 a few decades ago, but cost $20000 now.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/c...k_had_made_to/



I can't seem to find where the "tin foil hats" are in error? Can you ?


Sincerely,
Fucked

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by fartfly

I can't seem to find where the "tin foil hats" are in error? Can you ?


Sincerely,
Fucked

you must not of looked very hard.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...erveFacts.html

1,310,000 results for federal reserve myths debunked
http://www.google.com/search?q=feder...ient=firefox-a

[Barefootsies]

Bust out the tin foil now champ.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you must not of looked very hard.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...erveFacts.html

1,310,000 results for federal reserve myths debunked
http://www.google.com/search?q=feder...ient=firefox-a

Ever stop to think of how easy the debunks can be faked?

Just like the myths.

[tranza]

I can't see it also, but, whatever dude... Who cares? hehe

[2012]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you must not of looked very hard.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...erveFacts.html

1,310,000 results for federal reserve myths debunked
http://www.google.com/search?q=feder...ient=firefox-a

Okay then, Edward and Google say FR is top notch. Great. Just about as credible as the things I've ran across ...

Then I see this. Yes, Glen Beck is a tool. Somebody posted this on another thread ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=lNS8IY_Td14

It points out that we are finally at the top of the "shit pile" of all the money we've created out of thin air. Now what ... just not feeling real good about that I guess.

Not to mention I've already been watching this ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912 and am now really fucked up.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Ever stop to think of how easy the debunks can be faked?

Just like the myths.

of course. so what.

[fatfoo]

We're all fucked. It's a puppet government, and the Senate has been bought and sold a long time ago. Now let's all go commit suicide.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by fartfly

Okay then, Edward and Google say FR is top notch. Great. Just about as credible as the things I've ran across ...

Then I see this. Yes, Glen Beck is a tool. Somebody posted this on another thread ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=lNS8IY_Td14

It points out that we are finally at the top of the "shit pile" of all the money we've created out of thin air. Now what ... just not feeling real good about that I guess.

Not to mention I've already been watching this ... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912 and am now really fucked up.

i guess i do not understand your tin foil hat comment then. is the fed a private entity? yes. does it have immense control? yes. does it do the right thing? not always. is it a conspiracy? not in the sense that the tin foil hat wearers say.

[2012]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i guess i do not understand your tin foil hat comment then. is the fed a private entity? yes. does it have immense control? yes. does it do the right thing? not always. is it a conspiracy? not in the sense that the tin foil hat wearers say.

Whatever anybody says ...

you can look at this system and how it operates and know that it is a fucked up system that needs to go away. Why do you need a conspiracy when you own the system? The system itself is a joke.

[2012]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Now let's all go commit suicide.

I'm waiting for the Hale-Bopp comet to make another pass

[dyna mo]

i don't think you understand the value of a central bank.

A publicly held central bank is fairly vital to a modern industrialized country. And we have history to tells us what it would be like without one.

Without a publicly owned central bank:

-There would be no national coordinated monetary policy. Each bank would expand or contract credit based on their immediate business needs, not the nations requirements.

- Smaller banks would be dependent on larger banks for credit extensions, currency, etc. History has shown that larger banks often consider smaller banks as competition and didn't care if they failed. (After 1935, the Fed was charged with looking after the overall health of the system)

- Before 1905, there was over 30,000 different currencies in circulation.

- In international monetary matters, the nations largest private banks would represent America

- There would be no elasticity to the currency. You would see more cycles of inflation/deflation, and boom/bust as we saw in the 1800s

- Banks would return to being audited soley by themselves in their shareholders interest. (After 1935, the Fed was charged with being the nations bank auditors to serve depositers interest as well.)

- Clearing of checks would go back to private clearinghouses often run by large banks. Without an impartial clearinghouse, decisions in the process would sway toward the private interests that control it.

So we really don't need a central bank if you prefer the alternative.

[IllTestYourGirls]

I would like to know if Obama is going to audit the fed? Is Obama going to create transparency where it is needed at the fed.

I doubt it, he is just another puppet of the money masters.

[2012]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't think you understand the value of a central bank.

A publicly held central bank is fairly vital to a modern industrialized country. And we have history to tells us what it would be like without one.

Without a publicly owned central bank:

-There would be no national coordinated monetary policy. Each bank would expand or contract credit based on their immediate business needs, not the nations requirements.

- Smaller banks would be dependent on larger banks for credit extensions, currency, etc. History has shown that larger banks often consider smaller banks as competition and didn't care if they failed. (After 1935, the Fed was charged with looking after the overall health of the system)

- Before 1905, there was over 30,000 different currencies in circulation.

- In international monetary matters, the nations largest private banks would represent America

- There would be no elasticity to the currency. You would see more cycles of inflation/deflation, and boom/bust as we saw in the 1800s

- Banks would return to being audited soley by themselves in their shareholders interest. (After 1935, the Fed was charged with being the nations bank auditors to serve depositers interest as well.)

- Clearing of checks would go back to private clearinghouses often run by large banks. Without an impartial clearinghouse, decisions in the process would sway toward the private interests that control it.

So we really don't need a central bank if you prefer the alternative.

I'm sure I could point out +'s on every point you noted above if I had time today.

Have you noticed this things about to tank?

[2012]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I would like to know if Obama is going to audit the fed? Is Obama going to create transparency where it is needed at the fed.

I doubt it, he is just another puppet of the money masters.

Of course he is. Can you end your Obama hate crusade now
I'm sure his popularity will dim. I've always thought he was just the next installment of bullshit. Presidents aren't elected to change things. Everyone bought the change change change ... >never really saying exactly what the change was < Really a President can only be as great as the people he represents. We've all flushed this place down the shitter along time ago ...

At least we have a Representative of this country now that doesn't come off as a total clown.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you must not of looked very hard.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...erveFacts.html

1,310,000 results for federal reserve myths debunked
http://www.google.com/search?q=feder...ient=firefox-a

Really??? Geocities? Hmmmm... Its gotta be true.

[Snake Doctor]

Let's just assume for a second this is true.

If it were true, what would I do?
I would probably vote for guys like Ron Paul, and I would probably shed all of my dollar denominated assets and replace them with gold in preparation for the coming shit storm.

What I wouldn't do, if this were true, is tell lots of people about it because if the masses believe me then all they're going to do is drive up the price of gold.

Seems to me all of the guys spouting this crap are just a bunch of very impressionable mouthpieces who want to think they know something the rest of us don't and therefore they're smarter than us....and the guys originating this stuff are probably the people who have a vested interest in the price of gold going up.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by fartfly

I'm sure I could point out +'s on every point you noted above if I had time today.

Have you noticed this things about to tank?

what is this *thing*? the global economy? of course.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Really??? Geocities? Hmmmm... Its gotta be true.

umm, there's 1,309,999 more links there. feel free to check them out or you can just continue with the finger pointing. either way, i'm not concerned.

[2012]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what is this *thing*?

wtf are we talking about here ...

[2012]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Seems to me all of the guys spouting this crap are just a bunch of very impressionable mouthpieces who want to think they know something the rest of us don't and therefore they're smarter than us....and the guys originating this stuff are probably the people who have a vested interest in the price of gold going up.

Also people that really just want the fucking truth for a change and don't need CNN or hollywood to tell it to them. People that listen to every side of the story trying to figure out why things are so fucked up. Did you notice things are really fucked up ?

Some of these guys make very valid points. There is so much information in the world now to ignore certain pieces of it because it doesn't fit where you grew up in Kansas is just stupid.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by fartfly

wtf are we talking about here ...

i think you know what we are talking about, & i really do not care that you talk to people like this. but it would be much better if you could talk as an adult.

and there is not real information regarding the fed *about to tank*.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

umm, there's 1,309,999 more links there. feel free to check them out or you can just continue with the finger pointing. either way, i'm not concerned.

Nevermind...

[2012]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i think you know what we are talking about, & i really do not care that you talk to people like this. but it would be much better if you could talk as an adult.

and there is not real information regarding the fed *about to tank*.

god bless you dude.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by fartfly

Also people that really just want the fucking truth for a change and don't need CNN or hollywood to tell it to them. People that listen to every side of the story trying to figure out why things are so fucked up. Did you notice things are really fucked up ?

Some of these guys make very valid points. There is so much information in the world now to ignore certain pieces of it because it doesn't fit where you grew up in Kansas is just stupid.

There is so much information in the world now that you can drown in it before you find any that will make your life better.

The fact that there is so much information is all the more reason to be more selective about where you get that information from. Some guy with a page on blogspot or a disgruntled ex-government employee don't top my list.

The reason everything is fucked up has been explained, over and over again. You just have a predisposition to disbelieve the official version of any story and prefer to find information that supports your already formed belief that there is an all powerful group somewhere pulling the strings on the puppet show that is our lives.

If that's working out for you then great....but it's hardly the best way to find the "truth" about things.

FWIW....great read about the cause of the financial collapse
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/49b1654a-e...0779fd2ac.html
(and FWIW for you conspiracy nuts FT is a British publication and Soros doesn't work for the government, so the information in it about the U.S. markets is as unbiased as you can get)

[2012]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

There is so much information in the world now that you can drown in it before you find any that will make your life better.

The fact that there is so much information is all the more reason to be more selective about where you get that information from. Some guy with a page on blogspot or a disgruntled ex-government employee don't top my list.

The reason everything is fucked up has been explained, over and over again. You just have a predisposition to disbelieve the official version of any story and prefer to find information that supports your already formed belief that there is an all powerful group somewhere pulling the strings on the puppet show that is our lives.

If that's working out for you then great....but it's hardly the best way to find the "truth" about things.

FWIW....great read about the cause of the financial collapse
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/49b1654a-e...0779fd2ac.html
(and FWIW for you conspiracy nuts FT is a British publication and Soros doesn't work for the government, so the information in it about the U.S. markets is as unbiased as you can get)

I guess that's why 1% of the world owns 40% of it's wealth. Why would a "ruling the world" enter any humans brain anyway. Sorry about that.

I see you get your version of things from some internet jerk too http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/49b1654a-e...0779fd2ac.html

I'm not saying these guys are right. I'm just looking around. If you never turned on the TV or had a PC. All you would need is your common sense to see we are headed in the wrong direction ... I listen to the corn fed "mainstream" media too. I'm asking questions, I didn't come in here saying I was right but when people make valid points just because you think they are nut cases doesn't make them any less valid

All you can really do is just turn it all off and continue on the treadmill with a grin on your face. So here I go. Bye