DRAMA:TheButcher - TODAY'S ICQ CONVERSATIONS - GoFuckYourself.com

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 11:46 AM

The following are my conversations this morning with the man or woman by the icq nickname of TheButcher. AKA Dave. (ICQ #: 331446617) This happened shortly after the creation of this thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=887671
Does anyone want to do business with this person after all this? You decide. I suggest everyone stops doing business with him/her immediately as of now. Besides, there's been allegations of him/her artificially inflating his/her traffic stats and post counts on his/her webmaster forum in order to get more money from the advertisers.

Agent 488 · 02-15-2009, 11:51 AM

this should have been taken to the principal instead.

pixovore · 02-15-2009, 11:53 AM

this thread looks borderline, it s mentioning another board...kinda risky

baddog · 02-15-2009, 11:54 AM

Why does he owe you money? What was he willing to pay you $500/week for?

Barefootsies · 02-15-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

this should have been taken to the principal instead.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-15-2009, 12:02 PM

Interesting, he's trying to blackmail you?

WeirdHomer · 02-15-2009, 12:03 PM

If i had a sig it should kick ass in this thread!

What a fucking scammer...... thanks for this, i hope nobody does any business with this person.

HorseShit · 02-15-2009, 12:05 PM

who the hell uses the icq client still

xsabn · 02-15-2009, 12:47 PM

see sig ..

tenderobject · 02-15-2009, 12:49 PM

wow thats very childish.. where is the principal?

martinsc · 02-15-2009, 01:15 PM

where's my popcorn?

urb · 02-15-2009, 01:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

I thought I'd post the above link, in case anyone is confused enough to believe a word the butcher says.

50/50 scammers are very common, he's playing you all off against each other. Divide and conquer.

If you cannot see that.... you need to put your brains in gear.

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

this should have been taken to the principal instead.

Where is the gfy principal when you need him...

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Interesting, he's trying to blackmail you?

Something like that.

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeirdHomer

If i had a sig it should kick ass in this thread!

What a fucking scammer...... thanks for this, i hope nobody does any business with this person.

Welcome...

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

who the hell uses the icq client still

Why? Nobody uses it anymore?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 02-15-2009, 01:49 PM

dude, you got a rought ime when it comes to people running you around on money

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 02-15-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

Why? Nobody uses it anymore?

Pidgin FTW

Compdoctor · 02-15-2009, 01:57 PM

Interesting post. Since I've done business with TheButcher, I can say it came out ok. If you got a bad deal, then maybe you need to look to how you handed it? He has always handle himself professionaly, and taken care of business. Thats all I care about, now if you need kisses and hugs, maybe the playground is where you need to go.

who · 02-15-2009, 02:03 PM

I don't understand these 'businesses' that don't pay. 10k, 50k, maybe could be a problem, but $500?? I just don't get it.

candyflip · 02-15-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pixovore

this thread looks borderline, it s mentioning another board...kinda risky

As I"m sure there's no worry of that board stealing any GFY members, that stupid rule...it's no longer an issue.

Chris · 02-15-2009, 05:36 PM

im way to lazy to read all those images

anyone cliff this yet?

pocketkangaroo · 02-15-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by who

I don't understand these 'businesses' that don't pay. 10k, 50k, maybe could be a problem, but $500?? I just don't get it.

Because they don't have $500 to pay.

brassmonkey · 02-15-2009, 06:04 PM

thats shady why you posting convo thats fucked up

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Why does he owe you money? What was he willing to pay you $500/week for?

I sold him $2000 worth of TGP traffic.

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compdoctor

Interesting post. Since I've done business with TheButcher, I can say it came out ok. If you got a bad deal, then maybe you need to look to how you handed it? He has always handle himself professionaly, and taken care of business. Thats all I care about, now if you need kisses and hugs, maybe the playground is where you need to go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

I thought I'd post the above link, in case anyone is confused enough to believe a word the butcher says.

50/50 scammers are very common, he's playing you all off against each other. Divide and conquer.

If you cannot see that.... you need to put your brains in gear.

I can see why he's a 50/50 scammer. Scammed me, and many others. Yet, some people like Compdoctor he didn't scam. And as for "kisses and hugs", I don't see how that relates to somebody paying the amount for the service that has been offered to them, instead of running off with the money like a thief.

Nicky · 02-15-2009, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

im way to lazy to read all those images

anyone cliff this yet?

As I see it without hearing thebutchers side.

Thebutcher owes fatfoo $2k, fatfoo has been promised the money several times but not gotten them. fatfoo starts a thread on GFY saying thebutcher is trying to scam him, thebutcher tells fatfoo on ICQ that if he doesn't go back to that thread and say it was fake drama and he does not owe any money yadayada he will not get a cent.

I'm still amazed of how people are not more cautious when talking on icq in this biz, everyone has logs.

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

As I see it without hearing thebutchers side.

Thebutcher owes fatfoo $2k, fatfoo has been promised the money several times but not gotten them. fatfoo starts a thread on GFY saying thebutcher is trying to scam him, thebutcher tells fatfoo on ICQ that if he doesn't go back to that thread and say it was fake drama and he does not owe any money yadayada he will not get a cent.

I'm still amazed of how people are not more cautious when talking on icq in this biz, everyone has logs.

You got it exactly right.
And for more other gfy-people speaking out that he has scammed, visit this thread here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=887671

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 09:58 PM

bump bump

fatfoo · 02-15-2009, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

dude, you got a rough time when it comes to people running you around on money

Hey, 99% of the people do business the right way. But once in a while these scammers don't wanna pay up.

TurboAngel · 02-15-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

im way to lazy to read all those images

anyone cliff this yet?

Same here but I'm more drunk than lazy.

CyberHustler · 02-15-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Where is the gfy principal when you need him...

Right here yo...

Barefootsies · 02-15-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Decker

Right here yo...

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 09:29 AM

Somebody wants to be taken to court.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 09:31 AM

spazlabz · 02-16-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pixovore

this thread looks borderline, it s mentioning another board...kinda risky

no it doesn't!!

spaz

alexchechs · 02-16-2009, 09:59 AM

Jeez, this shit is ill

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by spazlabz

no it doesn't!!

spaz

This thread is condemning the other board. This thread is saying the other board is a bunch of shit. I think it's acceptable.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by alexchechs

Jeez, this shit is ill

It's the illest shit.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

As I"m sure there's no worry of that board stealing any GFY members, that stupid rule...it's no longer an issue.

Agreed...

woj · 02-16-2009, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfoo

I sold him $2000 worth of TGP traffic.

what's wrong with you dude? you sold him $2k worth of tgp traffic, and agreed to get paid after the fact!? Gee, what could go wrong with that setup?

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

what's wrong with you dude? you sold him $2k worth of tgp traffic, and agreed to get paid after the fact!? Gee, what could go wrong with that setup?

I must have been too high when I did that. Anyways, I've learned my mistake and you can be assured I'll never do it again.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 10:51 AM

bjlover · 02-16-2009, 12:36 PM

His name is

vachagan altounian He is an Armenian living in Canada, his name isn't dave and he isnt English

He is a well known scammer and not a very clever one.

One thing vachagan altounian does is pay back the odd very small deal, thats why you get the odd small time webmaster saying he is OK but just search on google for his fake forum and all his scams.

There are 100's and 100's of threads and posts about this filthy fuck

But he does pay back the odd small fry webmaster so the odd person will say they were not scammed. But its always for a few cents and they are always just small time retards

urb · 02-16-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compdoctor

Interesting post. Since I've done business with TheButcher, I can say it came out ok. If you got a bad deal, then maybe you need to look to how you handed it? He has always handle himself professionaly, and taken care of business. Thats all I care about, now if you need kisses and hugs, maybe the playground is where you need to go.

Did you read the threads? Did you search Google? Are you comprehending what is going on here?

You can deny it all you like... but the modus operandi of guys like this is to use people like YOU in situations like this. It basically boils down to two camps.

"Camp One" contains the people who are useful and with which he will do small deals with. He will offer amazing deals to get people on board, but rarely any major cash exchanges hands... he will barter a deal, like ad spots for example.

"Camp Two" contains the people who he finds a minor excuse not to pay or to scam.

He will no doubt claim that I am a hacker or a hater.... or make up some bullshit about me being upset with him. Let's take a look at the nature of message boards.... most people post to network, to help each other, to compare notes etc... well in this case it's to warn each other about something.

In the old pioneer days, if settlers found a watering hole that was contaminated they would warn each other.... and that is EXACTLY what's happening here. The fact that you've already drunk out of the watering hole and lived, doesn't mean shit. You may just have been lucky.

In an industry that is "Wild West" and has divisions, allegiances and can easily be fooled by playing one off against another, this 50/50 method works like a charm. Wake up and smell the coffee, he's laughing at you!

HALF of you think he's wonderful...... HALF of you cannot believe what a scammer he is.

Ask yourself why most of the usernames who post on SC do not appear on any other industry board. Do you honestly believe that they are real people?

And even despite the mountain of evidence regarding SC being run in a way that is deceptive and shady, do you think he's a victim of a hate campaign? Do you think everybody is just picking on him?

Or do you think that it's not worth warning each other about things anymore? This industry works upon a degree of cooperation. Without it.... you're fucked.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

In the old pioneer days, if settlers found a watering hole that was contaminated they would warn each other.... and that is EXACTLY what's happening here. The fact that you've already drunk out of the watering hole and lived, doesn't mean shit. You may just have been lucky.

Very well said.

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

In an industry that is "Wild West" and has divisions, allegiances and can easily be fooled by playing one off against another, this 50/50 method works like a charm. Wake up and smell the coffee, he's laughing at you!

HALF of you think he's wonderful...... HALF of you cannot believe what a scammer he is.

Again true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

Or do you think that it's not worth warning each other about things anymore? This industry works upon a degree of cooperation. Without it.... you're fucked.

I agree with cooperation and I support it. I owe much success in this business to the good people who've helped me to figure out who the scammers and cheaters are, their tactics and how they deceive people. Now I will give back to the community by uncovering scammers from time to time.

urb · 02-16-2009, 03:04 PM

It fucking annoys me when people take this kind of shit lightly. Calling us for being the "internet police", well let's bring this into the REAL world for a minute, it's called responsible business. The gangster 'bad boy' attitude is fictional bullshit and that's what actually belongs in the playground.

Wake up to the big picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Men_and_an_Elephant

Everybody has an opinion, it doesn't mean you are all wrong... you are just not seeing the whole elephant.

fatfoo · 02-16-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

It fucking annoys me when people take this kind of shit lightly. Calling us for being the "internet police", well let's bring this into the REAL world for a minute, it's called responsible business. The gangster 'bad boy' attitude is fictional bullshit and that's what actually belongs in the playground.

Wake up to the big picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Men_and_an_Elephant

Everybody has an opinion, it doesn't mean you are all wrong... you are just not seeing the whole elephant.

Good read on the Blind Men and an Elephant. Thanks for that.

J. Falcon · 02-17-2009, 04:37 AM

I hate scammers, thanks for the info.

VicD · 02-17-2009, 04:48 AM

I can not read it..

02-15-2009, 11:46 AM	#1
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	DRAMA:TheButcher - TODAY'S ICQ CONVERSATIONS The following are my conversations this morning with the man or woman by the icq nickname of TheButcher. AKA Dave. (ICQ #: 331446617) This happened shortly after the creation of this thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=887671 Does anyone want to do business with this person after all this? You decide. I suggest everyone stops doing business with him/her immediately as of now. Besides, there's been allegations of him/her artificially inflating his/her traffic stats and post counts on his/her webmaster forum in order to get more money from the advertisers. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

02-15-2009, 11:53 AM	#3
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02-15-2009, 12:49 PM	#10
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02-15-2009, 01:15 PM	#11
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02-15-2009, 01:16 PM	#12
urb Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 157	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick I thought I'd post the above link, in case anyone is confused enough to believe a word the butcher says. 50/50 scammers are very common, he's playing you all off against each other. Divide and conquer. If you cannot see that.... you need to put your brains in gear. __________________ Will hand code html for food.

02-15-2009, 11:51 AM	#2
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	this should have been taken to the principal instead.

02-15-2009, 11:54 AM	#4
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Why does he owe you money? What was he willing to pay you $500/week for?

02-15-2009, 12:02 PM	#6
Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tinseltown NL Posts: 16,502	Interesting, he's trying to blackmail you?

02-15-2009, 12:03 PM	#7
WeirdHomer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Interwebs Posts: 806	If i had a sig it should kick ass in this thread! What a fucking scammer...... thanks for this, i hope nobody does any business with this person.

02-15-2009, 12:05 PM	#8
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	who the hell uses the icq client still

02-15-2009, 12:47 PM	#9
xsabn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 203-069-778 Posts: 2,815	see sig ..

02-15-2009, 01:49 PM	#17
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	dude, you got a rought ime when it comes to people running you around on money

02-15-2009, 01:57 PM	#19
Compdoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: True 3D Content Posts: 1,937	Interesting post. Since I've done business with TheButcher, I can say it came out ok. If you got a bad deal, then maybe you need to look to how you handed it? He has always handle himself professionaly, and taken care of business. Thats all I care about, now if you need kisses and hugs, maybe the playground is where you need to go. __________________ Content By Compdoctor- Original 3D Cartoon Work 3D Comics Anime Resource Accepting Toon/Hentai Links

02-15-2009, 02:03 PM	#20
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	I don't understand these 'businesses' that don't pay. 10k, 50k, maybe could be a problem, but $500?? I just don't get it.

02-15-2009, 05:36 PM	#22
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	im way to lazy to read all those images anyone cliff this yet? __________________ [email protected]

02-15-2009, 06:04 PM	#24
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02-15-2009, 09:58 PM	#29
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02-16-2009, 09:29 AM	#34
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Somebody wants to be taken to court. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

02-16-2009, 09:31 AM	#35
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02-16-2009, 09:59 AM	#37
alexchechs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: BROOKLYN!!! Posts: 3,474	Jeez, this shit is ill __________________ Alex Chechs http://thefawnconspiracy.com

02-16-2009, 10:51 AM	#43
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02-16-2009, 12:36 PM	#44
bjlover Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 514	His name is vachagan altounian He is an Armenian living in Canada, his name isn't dave and he isnt English He is a well known scammer and not a very clever one. One thing vachagan altounian does is pay back the odd very small deal, thats why you get the odd small time webmaster saying he is OK but just search on google for his fake forum and all his scams. There are 100's and 100's of threads and posts about this filthy fuck But he does pay back the odd small fry webmaster so the odd person will say they were not scammed. But its always for a few cents and they are always just small time retards

02-16-2009, 03:04 PM	#47
urb Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 157	It fucking annoys me when people take this kind of shit lightly. Calling us for being the "internet police", well let's bring this into the REAL world for a minute, it's called responsible business. The gangster 'bad boy' attitude is fictional bullshit and that's what actually belongs in the playground. Wake up to the big picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Men_and_an_Elephant Everybody has an opinion, it doesn't mean you are all wrong... you are just not seeing the whole elephant. __________________ Will hand code html for food.

02-17-2009, 04:37 AM	#49
J. Falcon www.AdultCopywriters.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31,608	I hate scammers, thanks for the info. __________________ Adult Copywriters SEO Content for Porn Sites sales at adultcopywriters dot com

02-17-2009, 04:48 AM	#50
VicD ICQ: 304-611-162 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Masterdam Posts: 13,245	I can not read it..