Have YOU ever joined a Pay for Porn Site? - GoFuckYourself.com

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:02 PM

I'm curious to know how many of the folks on this board have actually ever joined a porn pay site?

Sam Granger · 03-13-2009, 08:04 PM

I'm guilty

d-null · 03-13-2009, 08:04 PM

slapass · 03-13-2009, 08:04 PM

Sure in 2000 i joined an AVS and a actual site. Cancelled both the same day and never went back again to it.

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Granger

I'm guilty

Mind if I ask, what site and why?

CurrentlySober · 03-13-2009, 08:07 PM

I have had multiple user pass given to me, but no... I have never 'Joined' a paysite...

That said though, I have probably given hotmovies a few thousand over the last few years, from my own CC...

Sam Granger · 03-13-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Potential

Mind if I ask, what site and why?

Multiple. The trailers just aint long enough, powerwanking is not my game.

Why? I'm a guy. And not a fan of DVD's.

Ps. Have you? Whats your porn source(s)?

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Granger

Why? I'm a guy. And not a fan of DVD's.

Ps. Have you? Whats your porn source(s)?

No, I actually have never joined a pay site. Mostly because of the fear of the never ending battle to be able to cancel it on my credit card I guess. The prices of most sites are not what have deterred me, its mostly been the stigma of being scammed or perpetually billed forever.

My favorite site for years has been Mark's Bookmarks (Bookmark.com)

I've never been much into videos, still photos have always been my thing.

Beyond that, I've honestly never understood why would people pay for it when there is so much for free. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

As to the 'Why' before, I meant why did you join a particular site? The particular niche? the particular girl? something else??

AnniKN · 03-13-2009, 08:20 PM

Yup, a few times, those with alt girls had me coming back everyday... the megapass sites I forgot about them. I got a trial for playboy for research purposes a bit ago as well.

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnniKN

Yup, a few times, those with alt girls had me coming back everyday... the megapass sites I forgot about them. I got a trial for playboy for research purposes a bit ago as well.

again, forgive me for being stupid, but what's an 'alt girl'?

And, are you a female?? (I assume you are, but would love the clarity as I see you post a bit)

Thanks for the insight!

Sam Granger · 03-13-2009, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Potential

No, I actually have never joined a pay site. Mostly because of the fear of the never ending battle to be able to cancel it on my credit card I guess. The prices of most sites are not what have deterred me, its mostly been the stigma of being scammed or perpetually billed forever.

My favorite site for years has been Mark's Bookmarks (Bookmark.com)

I've never been much into videos, still photos have always been my thing.

Beyond that, I've honestly never understood why would people pay for it when there is so much for free. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

As to the 'Why' before, I meant why did you join a particular site? The particular niche? the particular girl? something else??

I never joined a niche site. Just sites like BangBros.

You should check some sites. Some also accept checks.

Marcus Aurelius · 03-13-2009, 08:27 PM

I joined one of blue blood's sites a long time ago just so I could get inside content to promote the site with. It was only like $10 bucks a month or something really cheap.

Mutt · 03-13-2009, 08:29 PM

yep - a few a year. i currently have a membership to Videosz - it's great, for what it is. Now that Redlight District is licensing their DVD's and some other quality studios these DVD download sites are worth the money. It used to be 90% crap in those sites - now it's about 50/50 crap to quality wise.

i also joined Carlos the Gaucho's BigSister site - great concept, unfortunately the whores are ugly, if they had better looking girls I'd be a member for life.

AnniKN · 03-13-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Potential

again, forgive me for being stupid, but what's an 'alt girl'?

And, are you a female?? (I assume you are, but would love the clarity as I see you post a bit)

Thanks for the insight!

alternative girls

suicidegirls, juliland...

And yes, I am

spacedog · 03-13-2009, 08:32 PM

I had a paid membership to teen steam as well as a membership to netverifier back in 99/00

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnniKN

alternative girls

suicidegirls, juliland...

And yes, I am

Cool, thanks for the clarity!

And I think it is really awesome that there are girls on this board, that is really nice to know.

JD · 03-13-2009, 08:39 PM

once and it was fucking horrible :/ was a lightspeed site

istanboys · 03-13-2009, 08:42 PM

Sure, it's tax deductable :D

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD

once and it was fucking horrible :/ was a lightspeed site

ok again, forgive my stupidity in this biz, but what's a lightspeed site??

And what was so horrible?

AnniKN · 03-13-2009, 08:44 PM

www.lightspeedcash.com

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AnniKN

www.lightspeedcash.com

Thanks AnniKN, now I really want to know what was so horrible about it....

bronco67 · 03-13-2009, 08:47 PM

I was a member of Vivid about 8 years ago. I haven't joined one since, because it was nightmare to get rid of them. A fucking nightmare with a capital fucking I.

AmeliaG · 03-13-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

Cool, thanks for the clarity!

And I think it is really awesome that there are girls on this board, that is really nice to know.

"Awesome that there are girls on this board?" "What is a Lightspeed site?"

So you are a surfer and not a professional webmaster, right?

I am female. I am a professional webmaster. Of course, I've paid for a site membership. I want to see the members area of a site where I liked their samples and want to see more like that.

You know that, if you tell all the professional webmasters that free stuff makes you buy nothing, then they might just stop putting out free samples.

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

"Awesome that there are girls on this board?" "What is a Lightspeed site?"

So you are a surfer and not a professional webmaster, right?

I am female. I am a professional webmaster. Of course, I've paid for a site membership. I want to see the members area of a site where I liked their samples and want to see more like that.

You know that, if you tell all the professional webmasters that free stuff makes you buy nothing, then they might just stop putting out free samples.

I am fairly new to the adult webmaster business, and have been a surfer for a long time. I dont know that I would call myself a professional porn webmaster at this point though. I am still building my adult sites and sorting through all the sponsors and such and growing.

I've been given access to a few of the sites I promote along the way and have been impressed, though not to a point to join any as a paid subscriber as of yet.

As I said before my hesitance to join has been more fear of being screwed/scammed/perpetually billed than it was anything else. Those fears seem to be lessoned as I understand more of the industry.

I dont think the free stuff has been what's kept me from joining any particular site, if anything its made me more interested to think about joining.

wyldblyss · 03-13-2009, 08:59 PM

Never have, never will. Mind you I have seen a ton of it, encoding videos and stuff. Never was my cup of tea. I have always found it too contrived to be appealing in any way. That doe NOT mean I don't know my market and what appeals to them.

DirtyDanza · 03-13-2009, 09:00 PM

I still do

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67

I was a member of Vivid about 8 years ago. I haven't joined one since, because it was nightmare to get rid of them. A fucking nightmare with a capital fucking I.

See, that was kinda my point in my last post, more fear of a fucking nightmare to 'unjoin' than anything else....

so what was the nightmare?

fris · 03-13-2009, 09:37 PM

sites i have joined were qmov.com and rompmovies.com

After Shock Media · 03-13-2009, 09:58 PM

I have joined many and it was all for research only. Have had billing issues before along with great experiences. Typically now when I join them I use a prepaid card that can be tossed if needed.

Jayvis · 03-13-2009, 10:02 PM

I joined a hundie's site waaaaaay back when.

Spunky · 03-13-2009, 10:03 PM

Always probe to keep a eye on different strategies.absorb

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I have joined many and it was all for research only. Have had billing issues before along with great experiences. Typically now when I join them I use a prepaid card that can be tossed if needed.

I guess that again kinda drives my point above about the concern about being afraid of being screwed when it comes to the billing or 'unjoining'.

Does anyone have any insight as to why there seems to be this stigma in this industry surrounding the pay portion of adult sites?

In general, does this kind of problem still exist with a majority of the paysites out there?

For example, there are many sites I would love to join that advertise a $3.95 signup, but then when you read the fine print it says that you will be billed again in 3 days, but that you have to give 3 days notice in order to 'unjoin' or stop the billing. In other words you are going to be billed twice whether you like it or not.

It seems like there would be many more return customers to these sites if there wasn't such a questionable issue when it comes to billing.

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

Always probe to keep a eye on different strategies.absorb

I guess that's kinda the approach I am gearing up for....join to probe and see what's what....and Damn Spunky, 101 thousand posts.....WOW!

After Shock Media · 03-13-2009, 10:12 PM

Your above question is a whole different can of worms.

I join sites for research and to make sure they are not fucking the people I am sending with screwy billing practices before I promote them. (few other reasons as well)

Screwing people is not in the majority though.

Your example is a trial membership turning into a full membership which is not unethical or wrong as long as it is fairly disclosed. I am pretty sure most understand what a trial is and why it works the way it does under most circumstances (few people do fuck you on those as well).

Sands · 03-13-2009, 10:15 PM

I used to be a VideosZ member. I remember I got to college and had a fast connection, so naturally the first thing I did was join up to a porn site and download as much as I could. Ah, the good old days.

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Your above question is a whole different can of worms.

I join sites for research and to make sure they are not fucking the people I am sending with screwy billing practices before I promote them. (few other reasons as well)

Screwing people is not in the majority though.

Your example is a trial membership turning into a full membership which is not unethical or wrong as long as it is fairly disclosed. I am pretty sure most understand what a trial is and why it works the way it does under most circumstances (few people do fuck you on those as well).

That's basically why I am gearing up to join sites along the way as well. Like I said before, most of what I need/want personally seems to be available as free stuff out there, sorry sponsors but it is. But I would very much like to know that what I am promoting for others to join/experience is not going to turn into a bad rap for myself as a promoter much less an unpleasant experience for the user.

I agree about the trial memberships turning into full memberships, there is nothing unethical about that, except when the fine print is so damn small or not even on the same page as to mislead the user into thinking that it is a one time event which turns into a shitload of re-bills without the user being aware until it is way too late...

That is one of the major things I am looking for when I am searching out sites to promote beyond the content...what are the billing practices/arrangements by the sponsor and how transparent are they to the potential new member....

If I was able to pay $3.95 for even a 1 day access pass with no bullshit, I would be much more apt to come back soon for a 2nd fix or even a full time monthly membership and even more importantly I would be more likely to spread the word about how pleasant the experience with the sponsor is and how trustworthy they were with my damn credit card.

Mike_Munroe · 03-13-2009, 10:24 PM

I did it, why not...only a few bucks for pleasure.

Snake Doctor · 03-13-2009, 10:29 PM

Threads like these, and the multitude of replies, paint a sad picture of what this board has become.

Whatever happened to "where the industry meets"?

03-13-2009, 10:29 PM

First site I joined was BlacksonBlondes, Since then I just join mostly the aebn theaters

Max Potential · 03-13-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Threads like these, and the multitude of replies, paint a sad picture of what this board has become.

Whatever happened to "where the industry meets"?

What do you mean Snake? Isn't this discussion exactly that?

Horny Dude · 03-14-2009, 01:26 AM

I joined a Southern Charms solo girl site, forget her name, she was hott. Members area sucked ass so I canceled before my time was up. I also joined Bang Bus back when it was new. Hell I think everyone joined that site at one point!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-14-2009, 01:29 AM

NEVER

at first i got my porn on IRC
then i got my porn from p2p
then i got my porn from cracked passwords
then i got my porn from torrents
then i got my porn from rapidshare
now i get sweet ass full length video and reasonable quality on pornhub.com

tonyparra · 03-14-2009, 01:51 AM

Hmmm,

I have joined a few OCCash sites, assparade, Atl-Bad-Boy, blacks on blondes (i think my first), Reality Kings, and a few thousand spent Phatbuttmovies.com which is through hotmovies....im sure there are i just cant remember them all. If you have black/interracial/big butt/bbw/ethnic content Ive probably sampled your goods at least once...debating on fuckyoucash right now...

VicD · 03-14-2009, 02:03 AM

I joined about 50 i quess, for bizz and for watching porn. For watching exclusive porn the relaxed way you have to join a paysite, you get what you pay for

Snake Doctor · 03-14-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Potential

What do you mean Snake? Isn't this discussion exactly that?

It's the equivalent of asking a message board full of chefs if they've ever paid to eat in a restaurant.

OF COURSE THEY HAVE!!

If for no other reason than to check out the competition.

There was a time when GFY prevented google from indexing it's pages, so it wouldn't show up in searches for porn related terms.
Now that's no longer the case, and the vast majority of posters here are porn fans who stumbled onto this place looking for something else...as opposed to people who actually make a living in the porn business.

Reak AGV · 03-14-2009, 10:24 AM

I've joined quite a few (only HIGH QUALITY) sites like: Bang Bus and Teen Dreams.

LiveDose · 03-14-2009, 10:26 AM

I haven't but I've seen many of them as an affiliate sending a lot of joins.

natas · 03-14-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null

dude

that is the funniest shit I've seen all week

edit : and yes, I've joined a few paysites in my time

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-14-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natas

dude

that is the funniest shit I've seen all week

edit : and yes, I've joined a few paysites in my time

agreed

polish_aristocrat · 03-14-2009, 01:31 PM

joined a few few years ago

right now i'd have no reason to join any...

03-13-2009, 08:02 PM	#1
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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	yep - a few a year. i currently have a membership to Videosz - it's great, for what it is. Now that Redlight District is licensing their DVD's and some other quality studios these DVD download sites are worth the money. It used to be 90% crap in those sites - now it's about 50/50 crap to quality wise. i also joined Carlos the Gaucho's BigSister site - great concept, unfortunately the whores are ugly, if they had better looking girls I'd be a member for life. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	Never have, never will. Mind you I have seen a ton of it, encoding videos and stuff. Never was my cup of tea. I have always found it too contrived to be appealing in any way. That doe NOT mean I don't know my market and what appeals to them.

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After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Your above question is a whole different can of worms. I join sites for research and to make sure they are not fucking the people I am sending with screwy billing practices before I promote them. (few other reasons as well) Screwing people is not in the majority though. Your example is a trial membership turning into a full membership which is not unethical or wrong as long as it is fairly disclosed. I am pretty sure most understand what a trial is and why it works the way it does under most circumstances (few people do fuck you on those as well). __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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