Globill owners "Denial Of Discharge" - GoFuckYourself.com

BumpUglyz · 04-17-2009, 07:31 PM

For those of us that remember Globill, I just received a letter from the US Bankruptcy court, District of Utah. Stating that Daniel David Warren and Kathleen Ann Warren were Denied Chapter 7 Discharge. I guess this has been going on for many years and after screwing me and many other webmasters out of a lot of money, they are still seeking protection.

Did anyone else receive this letter in the mail? Also, did anyone ever get a settlement check from them?

Here is the URL of the case in detail

my letter is dated April 13, 2009

http://ks.findacase.com/research/wfr...027.C10.htm/qx

Scary what happened Siphoning webmasters money into offshore accounts, makes me wonder if this is still going on today?

I wonder where all those rebills I accumulated over the last 8 years have gone

TisMe · 04-17-2009, 07:36 PM

They got me twice, as Sypro and Globill

MaDalton · 04-17-2009, 07:38 PM

give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

Forest · 04-17-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

it takes you that long?

MaDalton · 04-17-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Forest

it takes you that long?

it's 4:40 am and i had some beer.

baddog · 04-17-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

it's 4:40 am and i had some beer.

Okay, fair enough, but it has been 10.

MaDalton · 04-17-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Okay, fair enough, but it has been 10.

i wasn't actually going to post them, i was just trying to make a point

but let's see...

- Ibill
- Globill
- Sypro (? never heard of them)
- Globosale
- My virtual Card/Paymonde
- PSW Billing
- Lancelot
- Webstream
- some english company i forgot the name of but that i once was going to try out but they went under first

damn.. only 9... lol

Forest · 04-17-2009, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i wasn't actually going to post them, i was just trying to make a point

but let's see...

- Ibill
- Globill
- Sypro (? never heard of them)
- Globosale
- My virtual Card/Paymonde
- PSW Billing
- Lancelot
- Webstream
- some english company i forgot the name of but that i once was going to try out but they went under first

damn.. only 9... lol

did probilling pay everyone off? I remember getting a check from them like a year after they stopped processing cc's

TisMe · 04-17-2009, 08:10 PM

Lets not forget DMR and First Virtual.

rowan · 04-17-2009, 10:08 PM

Interesting read... some parts bolded for those with short attention spans...

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Much of the cash obtained by the Warrens was used to acquire assets that they then apparently undervalued so that they would come within the statutory limits for exempt property. Utah law permits a debtor to claim an exemption for a motor vehicle, but only up to $2,500. See Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(3). The Warrens' May 7, 2004, bankruptcy schedule listed two vehicles (one for each of them) as exempt, one valued at $1,000 and the other at $2,500. Yet they purchased the "$1,000" vehicle on March 22 for $1,100 and spent $2,050.80 on April 9 for vehicle repairs and improvements. Likewise, they bought the "$2,500" vehicle on March 25 for $2,700 and between March 30 and April 4 spent an additional $2,776.65 for repairs and improvements. Thus, they valued the two vehicles at a total of $3,500 despite having spent $8,600 on them in the prior seven weeks. It is also worth noting that the Warrens used some of their accumulated cash to purchase items protected from creditors by Utah's uncapped exemption for "provisions sufficient for 12 months actually provided for individual and family use." Id. § 78-23-5(1)(a)(viii). During the month before filing their bankruptcy petition they spent $3,000on groceries, $2,000 on clothes, and $2,000 on a mattress.

The Warrens' apparent undervaluing of assets to keep them under the statutory caps extended to assets acquired before the Warrens met with bankruptcy counsel. For example, Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(2) provides a $3,500 exemption for "implements, professional books, or tools of [the] trade." Under this provision the Warrens claimed as exempt 14 computers, which they valued at $200 in total despite having paid $31,000 for the used computers seven months earlier. Section 78-23-8(1)(d) provides a $500 exemption for "heirlooms or other items of particular sentimental value." Under this exemption they claimed "wedding rings" valued at $10, a pearl necklace valued at $2.00, a gold ring valued at $3.00, a chair from Spain valued at $0.00, and five paintings valued at a total of $10.00. Section 78-23-8(1)(a) provides a $500 exemption for "sofas, chairs, and related furnishings reasonably necessary for one household." Under this exemption the Warrens claimed over 30 items, including 6 TVs valued at $50 total, china valued at $1.00, crystal valued at $1.00, a stereo valued at $5.00, and a treadmill and stairmaster valued at $20.00 total.As a result, the Warrens' only nonexempt tangible property consisted of sports, camping, and yard equipment; household tools; a third automobile; and a few pieces of furniture.

===============

It wasn't just their customers they were scamming...

AmeliaG · 04-17-2009, 11:18 PM

So does this mean webmasters they owe $$$$$$ to can still go after what they are owed?

tako · 04-17-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TisMe

Lets not forget DMR and First Virtual.

How about Digiblaze and Web Site Billing?

PantieZ · 04-18-2009, 12:11 AM

I also had my fun with GloBill back in the days, but i didn´t get this letter.

NETbilling · 04-18-2009, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

give me a minute and i can name 10 billing companies that disappeared with peoples money

or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

blogsy · 04-18-2009, 12:51 AM

Also...Ginix... remember them...I got about 10% of what they owed us..

but with banks going bust these days, worrying about billing companies is small fry...worry about where your "solid" mortgage money is :-)

blogsy · 04-18-2009, 12:52 AM

also, ACPay....but at least they paid up... I still get wires from them....for old old old (probably dead) recurring members

Drake · 04-18-2009, 01:22 AM

Lots of interesting info in that link/ruling. I wonder what the Warren's are really worth at this point.

kmanrox · 04-18-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NetBilling

or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

99.999% of the gfy'rs here have no idea about Dakota mktg ;)

MaDalton · 04-18-2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

did probilling pay everyone off? I remember getting a check from them like a year after they stopped processing cc's

Probilling - thats the name is was looking for - maybe they were not english, don't remember

and then this australian idiot that ripped everyone off - was it "merchant solutions" or something like that?

HorseShit · 04-18-2009, 06:19 AM

http://www.prettyvision.com

x-rate · 04-18-2009, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

and then this australian idiot that ripped everyone off - was it "merchant solutions" or something like that?

Daniel Tzvetkoff
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...013110,00.html

Iron Fist · 04-18-2009, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling

or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanrox

99.999% of the gfy'rs here have no idea about Dakota mktg ;)

directfiesta · 04-18-2009, 07:53 PM

and PaySystems ... and another one out of Alberta ( owed me little, so erased from memory their name ) ....

tako · 04-18-2009, 08:31 PM

Ginix survived. Acquired by Japanese company and still alive as an another 3rd party processor in Japan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blogsy

Also...Ginix... remember them...I got about 10% of what they owed us..

but with banks going bust these days, worrying about billing companies is small fry...worry about where your "solid" mortgage money is :-)

topnotch, standup guy · 04-18-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetBilling

or 20..... starting with DMR - all 3rd party processors

Yeah, yeah we know.... all 3rd party processors.

Actually, I rather expected you to come slithering into this thread a bit sooner there spam boy

NETbilling · 04-19-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Yeah, yeah we know.... all 3rd party processors.

Actually, I rather expected you to come slithering into this thread a bit sooner there spam boy

Yeah - tough guy. Sorry - we were busy setting up new NETbilling accounts

The Heron · 04-19-2009, 06:18 AM

I got the letter as well, I think at this point the government has spent more on paperwork than globill actually owed me!

04-17-2009, 07:31 PM	#1
BumpUglyz Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 1,124	Globill owners "Denial Of Discharge" For those of us that remember Globill, I just received a letter from the US Bankruptcy court, District of Utah. Stating that Daniel David Warren and Kathleen Ann Warren were Denied Chapter 7 Discharge. I guess this has been going on for many years and after screwing me and many other webmasters out of a lot of money, they are still seeking protection. Did anyone else receive this letter in the mail? Also, did anyone ever get a settlement check from them? Here is the URL of the case in detail my letter is dated April 13, 2009 http://ks.findacase.com/research/wfr...027.C10.htm/qx Scary what happened Siphoning webmasters money into offshore accounts, makes me wonder if this is still going on today? I wonder where all those rebills I accumulated over the last 8 years have gone __________________ http://www.whoore.com icq: 37991616 Last edited by BumpUglyz; 04-17-2009 at 07:32 PM..

04-17-2009, 07:38 PM	#3
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04-17-2009, 11:18 PM	#11
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,553	So does this mean webmasters they owe $$$$$$ to can still go after what they are owed? __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

04-18-2009, 07:53 PM	#23
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,592	and PaySystems ... and another one out of Alberta ( owed me little, so erased from memory their name ) .... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

04-17-2009, 07:36 PM	#2
TisMe Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,719	They got me twice, as Sypro and Globill

04-17-2009, 08:10 PM	#9
TisMe Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,719	Lets not forget DMR and First Virtual.

04-17-2009, 10:08 PM	#10
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Interesting read... some parts bolded for those with short attention spans... ============ Much of the cash obtained by the Warrens was used to acquire assets that they then apparently undervalued so that they would come within the statutory limits for exempt property. Utah law permits a debtor to claim an exemption for a motor vehicle, but only up to $2,500. See Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(3). The Warrens' May 7, 2004, bankruptcy schedule listed two vehicles (one for each of them) as exempt, one valued at $1,000 and the other at $2,500. Yet they purchased the "$1,000" vehicle on March 22 for $1,100 and spent $2,050.80 on April 9 for vehicle repairs and improvements. Likewise, they bought the "$2,500" vehicle on March 25 for $2,700 and between March 30 and April 4 spent an additional $2,776.65 for repairs and improvements. Thus, they valued the two vehicles at a total of $3,500 despite having spent $8,600 on them in the prior seven weeks. It is also worth noting that the Warrens used some of their accumulated cash to purchase items protected from creditors by Utah's uncapped exemption for "provisions sufficient for 12 months actually provided for individual and family use." Id. § 78-23-5(1)(a)(viii). During the month before filing their bankruptcy petition they spent $3,000on groceries, $2,000 on clothes, and $2,000 on a mattress. The Warrens' apparent undervaluing of assets to keep them under the statutory caps extended to assets acquired before the Warrens met with bankruptcy counsel. For example, Utah Code Ann. § 78-23-8(2) provides a $3,500 exemption for "implements, professional books, or tools of [the] trade." Under this provision the Warrens claimed as exempt 14 computers, which they valued at $200 in total despite having paid $31,000 for the used computers seven months earlier. Section 78-23-8(1)(d) provides a $500 exemption for "heirlooms or other items of particular sentimental value." Under this exemption they claimed "wedding rings" valued at $10, a pearl necklace valued at $2.00, a gold ring valued at $3.00, a chair from Spain valued at $0.00, and five paintings valued at a total of $10.00. Section 78-23-8(1)(a) provides a $500 exemption for "sofas, chairs, and related furnishings reasonably necessary for one household." Under this exemption the Warrens claimed over 30 items, including 6 TVs valued at $50 total, china valued at $1.00, crystal valued at $1.00, a stereo valued at $5.00, and a treadmill and stairmaster valued at $20.00 total.As a result, the Warrens' only nonexempt tangible property consisted of sports, camping, and yard equipment; household tools; a third automobile; and a few pieces of furniture. =============== It wasn't just their customers they were scamming...

04-18-2009, 12:11 AM	#13
PantieZ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Panty Land Posts: 1,441	I also had my fun with GloBill back in the days, but i didn´t get this letter.

04-18-2009, 12:51 AM	#15
blogsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 208	Also...Ginix... remember them...I got about 10% of what they owed us.. but with banks going bust these days, worrying about billing companies is small fry...worry about where your "solid" mortgage money is :-)

04-18-2009, 12:52 AM	#16
blogsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 208	also, ACPay....but at least they paid up... I still get wires from them....for old old old (probably dead) recurring members

04-18-2009, 01:22 AM	#17
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Lots of interesting info in that link/ruling. I wonder what the Warren's are really worth at this point.

04-18-2009, 06:19 AM	#20
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	http://www.prettyvision.com

04-19-2009, 06:18 AM	#27
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	I got the letter as well, I think at this point the government has spent more on paperwork than globill actually owed me!