The Pirate Bay update

[pigman]

"TPB FTW

So the first verdict finally came, almost 3 years after the raid. You might have heard about it in the news...

You, our beloved users, know that this little speedbump on the information super highway is nothing more than just, a little bump. Todays verdict has already been appealed by us and will be taken to the next level of court (and that will take another 2 or 3 years!)

The site will live on! We are more determined than ever that what we do is right. Millions of users are a good proof of that.

We have seen that some people that we dont know have started collecting donations for us, so we can pay those silly fines. We firmly ask you NOT to do this. Do not gather or send any money. We do not want them since we will not pay any fines!

If you really want to help out, here is a list:
* Seed those torrents a little bit more than you usually do!
* Buy a t-shirt and show the world where your sympathy is.
* If you live in Europe, vote in the election for the EU parliament in June.
* Continue to build the internets! Start more bittorrent sites, blog more, start your own lobby group, create, remix, mash up and continue to grow more heads on this amazing hydra that we know as the internets!
* Do not be afraid of using the network. Invite your friends to this and other file sharing systems. Calm people down if they're upset. We need to stay united.

And say it loud say it proud! We are all The Pirate Bay!"

http://thepiratebay.org/blog/151

[bufferover]

The battle goes on

[pigman]

In 3 years people will use stuff like oneswarm etc.

[Ozarkz]

They get found guilty and the morons post comments like Congratulations...

A lot of people appeal.. and lose..

[CaptainHowdy]

Why should anyone care about TPB ?? Just asking...

[fris]

they going to get cock meat sandwhich

[After Shock Media]

Whatever a persons stance on an issue is.

I find it fucking hilarious to the point of scary that what dictates the moral compass between right and wrong, is the number of people that agree with you.

[NinjaSteve]

Seed those torrents a little bit more than you usually do!

I don't see how that will help besides boosting their egotistical version of 'sticking it to the man'.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Why should anyone care about TPB ?? Just asking...

Because they provide them with free music, movies & applications maybe?

[2012]

Originally Posted by fris

they going to get cock meat sandwhich

at butt pirate bay

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by The Pirate Bay

We are more determined than ever that what we do is right. Millions of users are a good proof of that.

Millions of people exceed the speed limit when driving their automobiles, so it must be right. I'll tell the police that next time I get pulled over...

[notoldschool]

There is no right or wrong in this issue, just winners and losers.

[After Shock Media]

If their press release actually had FTW in it's topic or anywhere in it should be grounds enough to allow the population of the planet to bitch slap them.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

There is no right or wrong in this issue, just winners and losers.

Very well put.

[Dirty Dane]

They should rather be thinking of going underground and get rid of evidence. The more piracy, the sooner there will come international agreements about shutting down obvious organized piracy. On all levels.

[2012]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

There is no right or wrong in this issue, just winners and losers.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

They should rather be thinking of going underground and get rid of evidence. The more piracy, the sooner there will come international agreements about shutting down obvious organized piracy. On all levels.

With the fact that people and the news are talking about and dealing with real pirates. Not a far reaching thought that they could get caught up in crap not even associated with them or wouldnt have been for not them associating themselves with the word pirate.

When normal people hear the word pirate they have different views and lets face it politicians and law makers have not been shy in using peoples fears and or ignorance on such matters to their advantage.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

When normal people hear the word pirate they have different views and lets face it politicians and law makers have not been shy in using peoples fears and or ignorance on such matters to their advantage.

Well, as I see it; the ones screaming most about the authorities monitoring and restricting internet, is the pirates themself. Its kind of ironic, because they are the ones creating it and gives the excuses for more control and less freedom. Not only do they destroy peoples income, but they make it worse for the majority on internet which has more or less moral and self-control.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Whatever a persons stance on an issue is.

I find it fucking hilarious to the point of scary that what dictates the moral compass between right and wrong, is the number of people that agree with you.

Precisely!

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by pigman

The site will live on! We are more determined than ever that what we do is right. Millions of users are a good proof of that.

Millions of people voted for (and elected) George Bush - TWICE!

Care to rethink what "millions" is "good proof" of?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Well, as I see it; the ones screaming most about the authorities monitoring and restricting internet, is the pirates themself. Its kind of ironic, because they are the ones creating it and gives the excuses for more control and less freedom. Not only do they destroy peoples income, but they make it worse for the majority on internet which has more or less moral and self-control.

Agreed. It is kind of like most people who hate cops hate them because they broke the law and got busted doing it and now are blaming the cops for their troubles.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions

Millions of people exceed the speed limit when driving their automobiles, so it must be right. I'll tell the police that next time I get pulled over...

Well thats why you can pay a fine, and go ahead and do it again. Which thinking along those lines, why can't the studios make it easy to download a movie online for a small fee instead of holding dear to their old distribution model. TPB ceases to be an issue overnight if they would just make downloading movies easy and affordable (No, $10.00 a download is not affordable... more like $5.00 a movie is..)

It's greed that keep driving this issue... the TPB guys are just as bad as the studios. Just polar opposites on the same issue.

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Well thats why you can pay a fine, and go ahead and do it again. Which thinking along those lines, why can't the studios make it easy to download a movie online for a small fee instead of holding dear to their old distribution model. TPB ceases to be an issue overnight if they would just make downloading movies easy and affordable (No, $10.00 a download is not affordable... more like $5.00 a movie is..)

It's greed that keep driving this issue... the TPB guys are just as bad as the studios. Just polar opposites on the same issue.

I sort of agree that that the movie industry needs to move to a more internet friendly model but they actually are. The thing people don't realize is there are extremely complicated contracts in place and an entire industry built around those contracts. Points on distribution, back end profits, overseas revenue, etc. You can't just one day say, "OK, all downloads of movies $5" because you will get sued by everyone involved in making that movie and everyone who has purchased rights to air it.

Say NBC Television bought the rights to air Batman Begins and next month Youtube announces they will allow people to watch it for free starting now. You can't do that. NBC would sue saying the price they paid was based on having exclusive airing rights.

Of course greed plays a part, but there are serious mechanical issues as well to switching over. And the movie and television industry is moving forward. DVDs come with one digital copy, most TV shows are shown on the internet within 24 hours for free either on the network site or on Hulu. Movies are added to Hulu all the time.

You can't just flick a switch for an entire industry. Supporters of TPB seem to think movie and TV studios never want to change, which is not true. It just takes time.

[Ace_luffy]

they so serious on this battle...

but i guess no one can win....

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Well thats why you can pay a fine, and go ahead and do it again. Which thinking along those lines, why can't the studios make it easy to download a movie online for a small fee instead of holding dear to their old distribution model. TPB ceases to be an issue overnight if they would just make downloading movies easy and affordable (No, $10.00 a download is not affordable... more like $5.00 a movie is..)

It's greed that keep driving this issue... the TPB guys are just as bad as the studios. Just polar opposites on the same issue.

Our VOD service through the local cable makes most new-release movies rentable at $5.99 for 24 hrs.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Our VOD service through the local cable makes most new-release movies rentable at $5.99 for 24 hrs.

Although I like where your going, people have a real mind block around "rent vs. own". I want to "own" the movie, not have to re-download and pay for it again some time in the future. Can you imagine if DVD's self destructed after 48 hours after buying it?

[Mr.Right - Banned For Life]

They are modern day pirates i guess

[Socks]

Reading the fanboy posts at places like torrentfreak is time well spent I must say.. Those kids really, truly believe that free access to whatever the heck they want is noble, just, and completely valid. Everything should be free! They get so animated about it too.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Socks

Reading the fanboy posts at places like torrentfreak is time well spent I must say.. Those kids really, truly believe that free access to whatever the heck they want is noble, just, and completely valid. Everything should be free! They get so animated about it too.

It's actually quite Marxist if you look into it deeper.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Socks

Reading the fanboy posts at places like torrentfreak is time well spent I must say.. Those kids really, truly believe that free access to whatever the heck they want is noble, just, and completely valid. Everything should be free! They get so animated about it too.

Yep. It is always amazing to see how those people think. Apparently they just think these movies and songs they are downloading grow on trees and don't require money to be produced.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep. It is always amazing to see how those people think. Apparently they just think these movies and songs they are downloading grow on trees and don't require money to be produced.

I have read this many times on those sites:


"Artists don't deserve to get paid more than once for art. If a musician makes music, he should be paid once when the music is made. Then the music is free for all."


They like to say things like:

"If I build a house with wood and nails, do I come back and charge someone for the nails and wood again in a year? No, I worked once and I got paid once."


It is class war for sure. Many of these people believe art should be free. Music, software, apps, porn, EVERYTHING to them is art and should be free.

[bronco67]

They really are delusional idiots.

Product given away or stolen = no money for the creator. It's as simple as that. I hope they drop the fucking soap every night.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Huggles

I have read this many times on those sites:


"Artists don't deserve to get paid more than once for art. If a musician makes music, he should be paid once when the music is made. Then the music is free for all."


They like to say things like:

"If I build a house with wood and nails, do I come back and charge someone for the nails and wood again in a year? No, I worked once and I got paid once."


It is class war for sure. Many of these people believe art should be free. Music, software, apps, porn, EVERYTHING to them is art and should be free.

Yep, I had this argument a few months back with someone on this board. We argued over the new SAG union debate where the actors want to make a little more money from the sale of DVDs and from online distribution and the other person felt that an actor should get hired, paid for their work and that was it. no royalties or any type of residual.

I feel it depends on the situation. If something you helped create gets sold over and over again and one of the reasons for the sale is your involvement in it you should get some kind of residual check. Some people don't think that.

As I have always said, if you like big blockbuster type movies like Wolverine, Transformers and Batman you should not support downloading because those movies cost a ton to make and if they know the movie is just going to get stolen and eventually not make money they will stop making those types of movies.

Movies and music is a business, the day it stops becoming profitable is when it ends and pirating is eating into those profits.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by bronco67

They really are delusional idiots.

Product given away or stolen = no money for the creator. It's as simple as that. I hope they drop the fucking soap every night.

Illegal tubes protected

[slapass]

I supposes Sweden could just change the law that allows torrents to operate there.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I sort of agree that that the movie industry needs to move to a more internet friendly model but they actually are. The thing people don't realize is there are extremely complicated contracts in place and an entire industry built around those contracts. Points on distribution, back end profits, overseas revenue, etc. You can't just one day say, "OK, all downloads of movies $5" because you will get sued by everyone involved in making that movie and everyone who has purchased rights to air it.

Say NBC Television bought the rights to air Batman Begins and next month Youtube announces they will allow people to watch it for free starting now. You can't do that. NBC would sue saying the price they paid was based on having exclusive airing rights.

Of course greed plays a part, but there are serious mechanical issues as well to switching over. And the movie and television industry is moving forward. DVDs come with one digital copy, most TV shows are shown on the internet within 24 hours for free either on the network site or on Hulu. Movies are added to Hulu all the time.

You can't just flick a switch for an entire industry. Supporters of TPB seem to think movie and TV studios never want to change, which is not true. It just takes time.

no it takes an establishment of fair use rights to force them to change.

The Betamax case forced the industry to consider monetizing home viewing. Even after the case the MPAA (under jack "VCR is the boston strangler") tried to get embargos against the import of the device.

They only adopted the monetization of the home viewing market once they had no choice. Surprise it generated way more money then what they were doing before.

"Access shifting" being declared fair use, would do the exact same thing.

[Nautilus]

So when this thing will be actually closed?

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

no it takes an establishment of fair use rights to force them to change.

The Betamax case forced the industry to consider monetizing home viewing. Even after the case the MPAA (under jack "VCR is the boston strangler") tried to get embargos against the import of the device.

They only adopted the monetization of the home viewing market once they had no choice. Surprise it generated way more money then what they were doing before.

"Access shifting" being declared fair use, would do the exact same thing.

- Duplication for individual private home use

is completely different than:

- Duplication and distribution to others.


It's plain and simple theft. Fuck the PirateBay and others like it, or that support it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

They should rather be thinking of going underground and get rid of evidence. The more piracy, the sooner there will come international agreements about shutting down obvious organized piracy. On all levels.

The West is losing money, what TPB hands out for free is something that could be sold and make the West more money. It's not a full solution, but like the court case it takes many battles to win a war.

I just hope TPB are not receiving money from the site and paying for their lawyers. But it was in Sweden and that's a pretty screwed up place.

sharphead I can go to the shops and buy as many DVDs as I like or order them on the Internet to be sent to me via the mail. I don't decide the price, the producer and retailer do. If I don't like the price I don't buy and this does not give me the right to steal the product.

There are tons of shops here that sell DVDs in cardboard sleeves for $2 to $3. So those who think $30 is too much can buy those.

For many stealing content prices are an excuses to steal, they would steal what ever the price. And if prices of all got so low and productions levels were cut, they would steal because the product was not worth buying.

[LoveSandra]

Pirate rocks

[TeenCat]

why bother with piratebay? lets start suying the seeders. seeders are seeding cause piratebay says everything is ok ... so sue few seeders, for example students, put them to jail and lets see if the seeders numbers will be growing up ... piratebay says "lets seed people everything is fine" so lets show the seeders that its not fine ...

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

why bother with piratebay? lets start suying the seeders. seeders are seeding cause piratebay says everything is ok ... so sue few seeders, for example students, put them to jail and lets see if the seeders numbers will be growing up ... piratebay says "lets seed people everything is fine" so lets show the seeders that its not fine ...

damn - three thumbs - I must have had a hard-on.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

why bother with piratebay? lets start suying the seeders. seeders are seeding cause piratebay says everything is ok ... so sue few seeders, for example students, put them to jail and lets see if the seeders numbers will be growing up ... piratebay says "lets seed people everything is fine" so lets show the seeders that its not fine ...

RIAA already doing that a lot and didn't noticed effect.

[Cyandin]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Whatever a persons stance on an issue is.

I find it fucking hilarious to the point of scary that what dictates the moral compass between right and wrong, is the number of people that agree with you.

Well said!

[Davy]

I would love to see them get sentenced in their next trial.
Those guys are fucking wimps. I have my doubts that they would go to prison.
Probably would go hiding in some shady country instead. Maybe that would make people realize that those people are criminals.

[Half man, Half Amazing]

At least one of the TPB founders is being investigated for tax evasion, if memory serves me correctly. I think it was in the millions of dollars too. So these guys aren't some "blue collar" Cesar Chavez motherfuckers, they are just like the corporate swines they criticize.

I love reading the users on TorrentFreak say how "Hollywood movies suck" as being their justification to download 1000s of them. I'm going to use that next time I'm at the car dealership..."Man these fucking BMWs suck....I'll be taking that one over there because it FUCKING sucks!!!"

Best poster on TorrentFreak = ReasonedMind

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by commonsense

- Duplication for individual private home use

is completely different than:

- Duplication and distribution to others.


It's plain and simple theft. Fuck the PirateBay and others like it, or that support it.

letting your friend borrow your copy of "knight rider" because they missed the episode (power went out, forgot to set vcr) is/was legal. So duplication and distribution to other diferentiation is total bullshit and you know it.

The key is did you buy a right to view how your recover the content to fullfill that right to view should be irrelevent.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

sharphead I can go to the shops and buy as many DVDs as I like or order them on the Internet to be sent to me via the mail. I don't decide the price, the producer and retailer do. If I don't like the price I don't buy and this does not give me the right to steal the product.

True.. I still go to movies...and pay through the nose for the privilege I guess... it's just greed that allowed for copyrights to be renewed indefinitely instead of 50 years. Just greed that drives the arguement both ways....

I haven't bought a DVD in years.. and CDs.. been at least 10-15 years since I last bought one for myself... Just don't see the value in it anymore.

[DrChango]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Whatever a persons stance on an issue is.

I find it fucking hilarious to the point of scary that what dictates the moral compass between right and wrong, is the number of people that agree with you.

Yup, the Tyranny of the Masses