Hey CCBill, what's up with these prices for Canadians? Goddaaamn

[Socks]

I know the consensus a while back on CCBill's international localized pricing thing was generally positive, ie: charging international customers in their local currency instead of letting them "get a deal" by paying prices in USD. However I think it might be broken. Or perhaps it's turned up to 11.

I'm looking at a paysite right now, and it wants to charge me $42.95 Canadian for a monthly membership. I changed it to USD, and it asked for $38.06 a month. I called up Client Support and asked him to visit the site, and he sees a price of $29.95 a month from the USA... Huzzawazzaa? 42.9500 CAD = 40.1540 USD

How is this enticing Canadian customers in any way? Anyone with half a brain knows that $42.95 doesn't compare to $29.95 USD. How is this good for business? That just turned a normal membership price into super premium territory.

Are paysite owners not happy enough selling memberships to ANYONE at their full asking price? Seems counter productive to making sales to me.

And as an aside, which I've never understood to this day: what's the paysite owner getting paid on that sale? Assuming it was a type in signup from Canada who paid the $42.95, what's their USD payment on that signup?

[Iron Fist]

No kidding... there must be like a 10% exchange rate fee built in because right now the CAD to USD exchange is almost at par... so seeing this kind of discrepancy might be turning away Canadian porn buyers... or at the very least, delaying their purchases.

[gecko]

Canadians always get shafted

[TheSenator]

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[Davy]

Squeezing myself in before it gets closed?

Outrageous!

[Socks]

$43.95 today! :D

Why would this get closed? I haven't been around much, has this been debated at length?

[JimmiDean]

we turned the geo pricing off for just the reasons above.

[shunga]

No option yet to just convert the currency and then round it up to the next logical price point? That should have been in from the start.

[area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE]

sorry about the gay country

[BFT3K]

What is the official CCBill reply to this? If this is true, it is clear that this currency conversion seems quite excessive...

[SteveHardeman]

I think Canadians should simply be thankful that we haven't made them the 51st United State of America and quit whining about CCBill exchange rates.

I mean fuck, isn't it like 80 below half the year there? Don't you have other things you can whine about?

I jest with love my Canadian brothers.....:-)

[BV]

not CCBills fault, they just provide the capability, it's the program owner that controls the "regional billing" price points

CCBill has recommended values that you can change or just choose not to opt in at all

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I mean fuck, isn't it like 80 below half the year there?

Thanks alot for reminding me that our 2 days worth of summer is over and we're about to sink back in to what feels like 362 overcast days of miserable winter weather. No soup for you.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by JimmiDean

we turned the geo pricing off for just the reasons above.

I'm not turning off shit...I LOVE geo pricing and I turned it on the same DAY that it was offered.

Let me crack this bottle of Shiraz and dedicate it to CCbill for their geopricing.

[tropicool]

Thats why they refer to the USA as YANKS!

[whatif_3]

would it change your mind if you knew, overall, this was making you(and everyone else) more money?

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by whatif_3

would it change your mind if you knew, overall, this was making you(and everyone else) more money?

He isn't a fool, he knows it generates sales, but it would generate MORE sales with a reasonable price point.

[whatif_3]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

He isn't a fool, he knows it generates sales, but it would generate MORE sales with a reasonable price point.

in my opinion, its an economic formula, whatever maximizes revenue, and if you own a program you can set it to what you like.

do you have any proof that more money would be made with a lower price point or do you just think so?

the reason i ask is, for instance, years ago the 10 dollar sites were very popular, then they all tanked because just lowering the price point didnt attract any more sales.

mabe canucks are all willing to pay that much more for porn and if you lower it, you dont get any additional sale?

[Elli]

Stupid Canada... *sigh*

[Socks]

Alright a few things.

I thought this was turned on automatically when CCBill instituted it, and had to be manually turned off by paysite owners? Am I wrong?

And for those who enjoy it, what's your logic? People were used to paying the normal $29.95 a month USD for years upon years. Any change to that makes you go hrmmmmmmmmmmm. So when you see a number like $43.95, I believe people would be less likely to go ahead with the purchase.

Plus CCBill does the vast majority of revshare, so even if a Canadian in this example paid the $43.95 one time, the chances of them rebilling or becoming a regular customer probably go way down.

So are you guys telling me that this particular webmaster has their GEO pricing set to "rape" level? I saw another site yesterday and it was similar pricing, different owners.. $43.95 I think.

That is a lot of money for a porn membership folks.

[Dirty Dane]

GEO pricing is good in the first place... but it really sucks if you want to promote with prices too, and the signup page discriminate based on geo location. Makes any reviewer look like a fool, and it's a valid reason for refund...

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Makes any reviewer look like a fool, and it's a valid reason for refund...

Btw, I'm not saying you are a fool, but the surfers may think you fool them, if the price promoted is $19.95, and on signup page it says 19.95 but in EURO. Makes it kind of hard to review "honest" that way.. unless some geo marketing tools are implemented for affiliates.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I think Canadians should simply be thankful that we haven't made them the 51st United State of America and quit whining about CCBill exchange rates.

I mean fuck, isn't it like 80 below half the year there? Don't you have other things you can whine about?

I jest with love my Canadian brothers.....:-)

Don't make us burn down your whitehouse again.

[Iron Fist]

I think $29.95 is about as high a membership price you want to go... it's not like were buying bread and milk here folks.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Btw, I'm not saying you are a fool, but the surfers may think you fool them, if the price promoted is $19.95, and on signup page it says 19.95 but in EURO. Makes it kind of hard to review "honest" that way.. unless some geo marketing tools are implemented for affiliates.

Yeah just to see what the actual price IS (which I'm now writing in apparently only for US customers, and making everyone else feel like second class citizens who get charged more for no reason) I need to use a fucking proxy server!

Someone needs to rethink this thing, I think we're all leaving money on the table.

If you think charging more makes sense, why only charge NON-US customers more? Why not just raise your prices? I mean those who like the GEO IP pricing and thinks it makes them more money, that's effectively what you've done is raise all international prices. The only price you didn't raise was the US price for US customers, which is where most of the sales come from anyways.

If you think people don't care about paying more, just raise your prices?

PS: I'd really like to know what that $42.95 or $43.95 turns into as a USD payment to the paysite owner.. Can someone take a moment and verify that for me? When you get an international sale like this, is your payout in USD close to the $43.95?

[Wizzo]

Can't the Affiliate program adjust foreign price points?

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Socks

Yeah just to see what the actual price IS (which I'm now writing in apparently only for US customers, and making everyone else feel like second class citizens who get charged more for no reason) I need to use a fucking proxy server!

Someone needs to rethink this thing, I think we're all leaving money on the table.

If you think charging more makes sense, why only charge NON-US customers more? Why not just raise your prices? I mean those who like the GEO IP pricing and thinks it makes them more money, that's effectively what you've done is raise all international prices. The only price you didn't raise was the US price for US customers, which is where most of the sales come from anyways.

If you think people don't care about paying more, just raise your prices?

PS: I'd really like to know what that $42.95 or $43.95 turns into as a USD payment to the paysite owner.. Can someone take a moment and verify that for me? When you get an international sale like this, is your payout in USD close to the $43.95?

You get paid in dollars....This issue has been discussed ad nauseum on this board before....However, the ones that are for it seem to be the ones who have it turned off and the ones who are against it DON'T have it turned on OR they're an affiliate and can't turn anything on or off.

I was leaving money on the table when I DIDN'T have geo pricing on....And I've had it on for damn near two years now or whenever they started it....IT WORKS!!!

[BVF]

Originally Posted by BVF

You get paid in dollars....This issue has been discussed ad nauseum on this board before....However, the ones that are for it seem to be the ones who have it turned ON and the ones who are against it DON'T have it turned on OR they're an affiliate and can't turn anything on or off.

I was leaving money on the table when I DIDN'T have geo pricing on....And I've had it on for damn near two years now or whenever they started it....IT WORKS!!!

that's what I meant to say

[Socks]

Originally Posted by BVF

that's what I meant to say

Thanks for the input BVF.. It's possible that over 2 years it's wandered into strange territory though no? Like perhaps that $29.95 was $32.95 CAD 2 years ago. But $43.95 today, when the Canadian dollar is worth almost 95% of an American dollar? It seems broken in this case.

Also is not what I said true? Geo pricing has just effectly raised prices for everyone BUT US citizens. So if you make more money by increasing prices, would you not also make more money by raising prices for US folks too?

That's the million dollar question.

And any chance you could look up a recent CDN$ sale on CCBill and see what your payout for it was?

[cykoe6]

I find the geo pricing issue quite odd myself. When you get to the CCBill page and the price is significantly higher than advertised it seems like a real turn-off for the customer. If it is working for sponsors then it begs the question........ why not raise the price in the US as well and make even more money?

I guess its main marketing appeal is that it gets non-US customers to the CCBill sign up page based on a falsely advertised price which then gets raised on the CCBill page. I guess essentially it just works like every other bait and switch..... but why not run the same scam on US customers as well????..... if it works so well on non-US customers you would think it would also work on US customers.

Perhaps sponsors should just scrap the geo pricing and bait and switch everyone equally for maximum profits.

[Robbie]

I've never advertised a price for Claudia-Marie.Com I've always felt that when you are offering a premium website that using price as a marketing tool made your shit look cheap. I market on the strength of the site itself. When the surfer clicks "Join" they see the price that is presented to them.

There just really isn't any need to list a site price on the tour (I'm not even gonna get into the idiocy of review sites ideas of "marketing") unless you are "bragging" about how cheap it is.

And I've made a LOT of money over the years banking that people don't want to have something "cheap" They want something good and they will pay for it if it meets their criteria. And that was just in my affiliate work, the same thing has worked fantastic from the paysite side of things just like I knew it would.

If you decide to treat yourself to a fine steak dinner as a reward to yourself...are you gonna look for the cheapest one in town, or for the quality you crave? And no, I don't mean you are going to hunt for the most expensive one either. But I'm gonna go to that little steak house that I know has the best ones in town (The Ranchouse here in Vegas) and I'm gonna pay $40 for an 8 oz filet that tastes like heaven. And at that point i don't care that I could have went to Dennys and had a $6 piece of shoe leather.

I know it's a little off topic...but you did ask about the customer being pissed at a different pricing showing on the join page than what they had saw on the tour. So I'm giving my long winded soliloquy about my marketing strategy on that topic.

In other words...Geo Billing makes me great money on my paysite and "no" I'm not losing anything, I'm gaining.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've never advertised a price for Claudia-Marie.Com

my take is this...

1) fuck canadians... they are not as good as americans
2) geo targeting makes sense in my mind.
3) italy is some good geo... i wish I had more italy

There is no need to debate what is not broken

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

my take is this...

1) fuck canadians... they are not as good as americans
2) geo targeting makes sense in my mind.
3) italy is some good geo... i wish I had more italy

There is no need to debate what is not broken

You mean their money doesn't spend as well? One would think with the dollar almost at parity, people would adjust their prices more reasonably accordingly. Canadians are in a better position overall than americans right now as far as credit spending. Our banks never had issues and there's no credit recall here, why would people close off opportunities in the market over greed?

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Robbie

In other words...Geo Billing makes me great money on my paysite and "no" I'm not losing anything, I'm gaining.

But my point still stands, unanswered.

Why not raise prices across the board, instead of just all non-US customers?

I fail to see why if it works so well for 100+ countries, why you'd leave the biggest market alone? If it's so good, why aren't you maximizing it's potential?

To me it's adding a whole bunch of weirdness that I hope someone will take the time to look into for me. Robbie you love this shit, please have a look. Look up your last Canadian full month type in customer, and see what your actual USD payment was.

If CCBill thinks $29.95 US a month equals $43.95 to customers, what's their reverse logic on that? You don't get Canadian funds from them, so they're re-converting to USD for you. If they can't convert right in the first instance, how are you so sure they're converting right in the second? I'm just curious.

And if every international customer is better sold to at higher prices, please explain why you leave your prices low for US customers. Hopefully you can bring about a good debate on this as you usually do!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

my take is this...

1) fuck canadians... they are not as good as americans
2) geo targeting makes sense in my mind.
3) italy is some good geo... i wish I had more italy

There is no need to debate what is not broken

thank god for that too

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by BVF

I was leaving money on the table when I DIDN'T have geo pricing on....And I've had it on for damn near two years now or whenever they started it....IT WORKS!!!

It does work and its also important to bill in ways that people are comfortable with, like for example amazon.de checkout is Direct Debit not CC because that's the preferred method in Germany.

[Socks]

Can we start charging black people 33% more too?