Will the porn industry rebound? If so, how and why?

[Socks]

I'm convinced that it's not just free porn killing sales, but also that people have made up their mind to save rather than spend, and cutting out credit card purchases, especially for luxury items. Buying a porn site membership is certainly on the nice to have rather than need to have list for just about everyone, so it's a luxury they can easily avoid or scale back on.

I think that as the world economy gets back on track, people are going to feel like they've "suffered long enough" and will be looking forward to get back to normal as soon as possible.

Does this leave us in line for a bit of a rebound?

I don't think any of us are holding our breaths for any kind of assisted rebound, like a crackdown on copyright theft, or laws that scare people into being associated with piracy.

Another angle could be an FTC crackdown on porn companies that are pushing the credit card limits perhaps, but again, goodluckwiththat.

Perhaps a smaller rebound could happen as the result of so many people going out of business, leaving whoever is left to fight for a larger slice of the pie.

As far as you're concerned - is there any light at the end of the tunnel?

[bronco67]

How about a product that all looks the same...at least about 80% of it.

[Mutt]

no light for people doing biz the same way as always - paysite sales will continue to decline. if not for the x-sale madness i'm sure many programs would have already called it quits and just let their stuff run out the string.

better economic times? who knows when that will happen.

[pornlaw]

I think people will tire of free porn from the tube sites. Most of it looks the same, has the same people in it and is shoot in the same places. People will pay for something that is unique.

The industry will rebound for those who know how to produce something different and something more interesting.

[snaker]

Not to toot my own horn, but I'm feeling no burn whatsoever with sales to my sites....bronco67 is right.

How many LA based porn stars can the surfers see over and over again being pushed out regularily by the larger companies. But the affiliates, they just cant stop pushing the same shit because there getting $100 pps on $1 trails.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by bronco67

How about a product that all looks the same...at least about 80% of it.

[brassmonkey]

yes it will

[JamesK]

surfers think with their dicks, not their brains.

[mmcfadden]

stick a sock over their head... then they will come

[D Ghost]

people will always pay for porn

[Vjo]

A lot of it has to do with the economy and CCs

Most all porn is bought on CCs. Some folks have had their credit rained in on one or more cards. They still owe the balance but their credit limit is now zero on one or more cards. This will wake you up. And you stop spending on non essential items.

Porn and every other business made money on the explosion of personal debt onto cc's the last 15 years. Now debt has evaporated. This of course affects everything, not just porn.

Basicly the bullish credit bubble burst last fall along with the economy.

[TheLegacy]

This thread does have truth to it

Creativity (or lack) is what is killing the industry NOT the economy for the most part. Free sites have put a crinckle in it, but those who are able to use it to their advantage - guess what - are making money again.

I remember threads like this just before Paris gave a blowjob, and guess what? Everyone came to see it and many made money from it.

So as long as a male (or woman) need pleasure and get aroused - they will pay for release. Look at it this way - someone goes to see a stripper - pays 100$ only to be teased and never get off. Doesn't it make sense to simply use the same money to get a hooker and have release? Life isn't that simple - and neither is sex or the demand created by lust. Some will always use hookers and others strippers for their entertainment. Porn and the payment for it will always be here - it's our fault really for not learning how to dress it up well enough (package / sizzle) that CC holders believe it will be something they will never ever see on another website.

[gideongallery]

i just finished reading good to great, it amazing how much this group sounds like comparison companies and not the great companies.

you have some of the greatest money making opp in the history of your industry. A distribution network that cost you nothing to use, and actually bitch about.

[Vjo]

A lot of guys need fresh porn but alot of guys don't. (I don't. When I get to say 100 gigs of shit I have enough) Perhaps the group that doesn't is satisfied with what they have. Do I dare use the dreaded word? Saturation. Of course if you really get their attention they'll buy but otherwise they have the stuff they want. Esp with Vanilla. In 1999 everyone wanted a stash. Now they got it.

[cherrylula]

not rebound, but progress..

[Si]

I'm still making money.

I can also see things dropping off.

But, the money I have made is going to go into something people will pay for.

that is all for now...............

[CyberHustler]

I hope it hurries up so you fuckers can stop dabbling In mainstream

[Chauncy]

I think that once the economy works itself out and the panic is over people will start spending again. Then the industry as a whole will have to figure out a new way to protect content from thieves. Then we can all go back to the correct profitable business model where exclusive content will make you and your affiliates the money it has in the past. Even though through x sales we have burned so many so bad that I am sure they will never come back we have to remember that everyday on average 350 thousand people turn 18 can get credit cards and buy porn we will always have new customers to try to treat the right way.

but for now I will just have fun with my new pizza chain I am starting

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Vjo

A lot of guys need fresh porn but alot of guys don't. (I don't. When I get to say 100 gigs of shit I have enough) Perhaps the group that doesn't is satisfied with what they have. Do I dare use the dreaded word? Saturation. Of course if you really get their attention they'll buy but otherwise they have the stuff they want. Esp with Vanilla. In 1999 everyone wanted a stash. Now they got it.

One of the "benefits" of having a fetish community is that it's much easier to find out what people are thinking, and why they're behaving the way they are.
One of the main reasons people tell me that they're not buying the way they used to is indeed saturation. They used to buy everything I put out. Now, they have a ton of stuff on their HD or on DVD that they really like, and in their words, they're "a lot more selective" in how they spend their money now.
Not sure exactly how that relates to more mainstream stuff - but I'm sure there's at least some truth to it for everyone.

[Snake Doctor]

If data were available, for overall $$ spent on adult entertainment products, the line graph would probably look identical to the overall economy, or consumer confidence.

People talking shit about your product isn't this or that are talking out of their ass. People with shit products are always getting brushed aside by superior products, even in good or great economic times.
This board is made up mostly of affiliates, who sell other people's products, and no matter which products we try to sell, fewer people are buying. Period.

Yeah, the good products sell better than the bad ones, but DUH, that's always been the case.

It's like telling a restaurant that if they had a better menu or fresher ingredients that people would eat out more. That's total bullshit in this economy. People are staying home and eating mac and cheese.

Our product is highly discretionary, and often an impulse purchase, and those are things that happen when people have extra money in the bank, not when people are scared of losing their jobs.

Our sales will probably mirror consumer confidence moving forward.

[Iron Fist]

Mark my words..

When the DOW breaks 10,000 again, the good times will be back ... just hang in there

[Vjo]

Well said and good prognosis!

Lately I want to hug every surfer who buys a membership, offer them a reach around and/or invite them over for free livations of their choice.

It is the American way to spend money!

The economy will come back.

(Hopefully soon)

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Well said and good prognosis!

Lately I want to hug every surfer who buys a membership, offer them a reach around and/or invite them over for free livations of their choice.

It is the American way to spend money!

The economy will come back.

(Hopefully soon)

LOL...

Hey.. You guys wanna jerk off together? I sold you the porn, I don't mind sticking around, we can be friends even, you thirsty??

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Mark my words..

When the DOW breaks 10,000 again, the good times will be back ... just hang in there

when's that going to happen?

do you remember when the nasdaq was going thru the roof?

[Socks]

Also people say lack of creativity, however it's getting harder to be innovative at this point. I don't think it's necessarily laziness or a lack of effort. A company or two will come out and wow us with something, but overall I mean the shock value of porn is well over.

Like Fuck You Cash streaming buckets of fake sperm on girls faces... That's the innovation of today?

Most good companies are created to fill a void or a need that isn't being serviced. Something people wished they had, but don't have yet. What do porn customers need that we as a group aren't providing yet?

I wish they'd just legalize prostitution so we could do this properly. ;)

[GAMEFINEST]

shit is slow everywhere ..

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by Socks

LOL...

Hey.. You guys wanna jerk off together? I sold you the porn, I don't mind sticking around, we can be friends even, you thirsty??

LOL Yep, something like that.

Oh well ya gotta fucking laugh about it.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Absolutely, yes, it will rebound.

Most of the low hanging fruit will be gone, people will have to get back to the fundamentals, people will have to work harder and think more strategically, but yes, there will still be $$$$$$$$$$.

[hypedough]

If surfers don't get over the statement "Why pay for porn when it's free on tube sites" then we will fall the same way most of the music industry has.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by hypedough

If surfers don't get over the statement "Why pay for porn when it's free on tube sites" then we will fall the same way most of the music industry has.

I think your right for the most part. Since I work "in the porn industry" i have a lot of friends, friends of friends, etc. that ask me how to get free porn. Since Im here to make money, I direct them to my sites where I tell them I get a discount to join a site ;) haha

Sad part is most of them have already found tube sites and ask me how the industry will make money when it is out there for free? hard question to answer here, let alone to people not in the industry at all. ironically enough, it seems that people I know with fetishes dont like tube sites because its not categorized right and they cant download and save it... crazy pervs

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Mark my words..

When the DOW breaks 10,000 again, the good times will be back ... just hang in there

nah, when I get a sale from AWE that will mark the end of the financial crisis, I'll let you guys know

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

I think people will tire of free porn from the tube sites. Most of it looks the same, has the same people in it and is shoot in the same places. People will pay for something that is unique.

The industry will rebound for those who know how to produce something different and something more interesting.

Originally Posted by bronco67

How about a product that all looks the same...at least about 80% of it.

For years many of those shooting or commissioning content have been cutting budgets on production. The dumbing down of the product in general is amazing. Be it DVD, Cable or Internet. Same scenes over and over again, just change the location and sometimes the actors. With most girls realising that the neighbors will find out how they've been earning money a few weeks after they received it, the supply of good new girls is tough.

Added to this is the level of faking and people with little experience shooting content and you have a recipe for pulp porn.

The question is not "Will the industry rebound?"

It's "Why should the consumer buy more of the same?"

I'm doing well with a site that can't be duplicated 500 times, because it was shot 20 years ago. If people stepped back and thought about it from the consumers POV they might come up with a better solution than "Fill the shelves with more titles." Or "Send more traffic, because I can't convert enough of what I have."

Shooting innovative, quality, real porn is easy. It just costs more money.

[leg4]

No...

It can't...

The idea that porn should be free.... is in the mind of the world now.

[RadicalSights]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

I think people will tire of free porn from the tube sites. Most of it looks the same, has the same people in it and is shoot in the same places. People will pay for something that is unique. .

one of my clients is launching a brand new company/program this summer and they are shooting all their own content and focusing on very high def quality / exclusive... and movies produce like real movies... not just straight up porn..
you can still make money if you have the quality.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

one of my clients is launching a brand new company/program this summer and they are shooting all their own content and focusing on very high def quality / exclusive... and movies produce like real movies... not just straight up porn..
you can still make money if you have the quality.

Tell that to Private. LOL

It still has to get a dick hard to sell.


The problem is not that there is too much free stuff out there, the problem is on the free you can browse until you find something you like, there is a chance of finding real porn and not over produced fake porn and you don't have to spend a penny to get it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by leg4

No...

It can't...

The idea that porn should be free.... is in the mind of the world now.

No offense. Some of you should pick up a history book. The 'net' has been here before. Late 90's, early 2000's in regards to your comment about people thinking that the net should be free.

In regards to the O.P.. Short answer is yes. It will rebound, just like it did before.

[SGS]

This industry grew out of the last recession led by some very clever people and then it got stuck in a rut and went stale for a lot of years. Same old shit sold a million times over until the punter was bored to death and the only way to make money was to rape punters cards.

Will it ever go back to what it was? Not for 90% + it wont no. This business has needed new ideas and new ways to sell for years and that time came and went. Just look around and you will see that there are a lot of people out there still turning over good money but these are the people who have continually made changes to give the customer what he wants.

This is business, give the customer what he wants and you will always make money.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by Vjo

A lot of it has to do with the economy and CCs

Most all porn is bought on CCs. Some folks have had their credit rained in on one or more cards. They still owe the balance but their credit limit is now zero on one or more cards. This will wake you up. And you stop spending on non essential items.

Porn and every other business made money on the explosion of personal debt onto cc's the last 15 years. Now debt has evaporated. This of course affects everything, not just porn.

Basicly the bullish credit bubble burst last fall along with the economy.

i second that + lack of creativity... i've never had any problems converting unique content... worn out + usual stuff has never made me any money (maybe 15 years ago, lol!)...

[Sausage]

What do you mean rebound ... this year has been fantastic. As long as you don't have your head in the sand pretending its still 2000, and are actually paying attention its still just as easy to sell porn.

I admit that 2008 kicked my ass, but that was mostly my fault too, change a few things.. embrace the new type of surfer and 2009 has been a buster year so far!

Adapt or die kids.

[mineistaken]

when the tubes with full content are gone (at least at the top of google seacrch)

[ppg]

People who believe on quality will continue to buy and surf for good porn, people who believe on quantity most the surfers form Asia and south east asia will drop on tube sites...

Porn has been there for years and it always will... Man want it, women need it... both cant stay without it.

Thanks
Ninja

[Chris]

Honestly you just have to adapt with the times. Im not saying go out and make huge free tube site or whatever but think outside of the box and you will be just fine

[Bossman]

My advice is to get ready for the worst summer ever in internet porn

The industry will be gangraped by illegal tubes, continues credit tightening, and politicians running out of money. Hope you have alot of lube to ease the pain

[Webmaster Army]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i just finished reading good to great, it amazing how much this group sounds like comparison companies and not the great companies.

you have some of the greatest money making opp in the history of your industry. A distribution network that cost you nothing to use, and actually bitch about.

[Thread Closed.]

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you have some of the greatest money making opp in the history of your industry. A distribution network that cost you nothing to use, and actually bitch about.

Are you talking about broke college students who have bookmarked every tube site on this planet, and can´t get credit cards due to the economy?

Please elaborate about this holy grail of distribution network

[I Love The Yayo]

Why do people keep saying there are less sales etc. People are doing tons of sales as usual. It just changed to other products and other ways of advertising. Stop acting like this industry is dead. It's not dead and it won't be dead soon. There are tons of sales to be made. Just because you aren't able to doesn't those sales are not there.

[I Love The Yayo]

Originally Posted by Bossman

My advice is to get ready for the worst summer ever in internet porn

The industry will be gangraped by illegal tubes, continues credit tightening, and politicians running out of money. Hope you have alot of lube to ease the pain

If you suddenly make less sales because of a bunch of big tubes then you're an idiot.

[I Love The Yayo]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

when the tubes with full content are gone (at least at the top of google seacrch)

Funny, my sales haven't dropped whatsoever since big tubes are on the #1 spot. You must be doing something wrong. Stop blaming tubes, blame yourself.

[I Love The Yayo]

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST

shit is slow everywhere ..

Uh no it's not.

[I Love The Yayo]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

This thread does have truth to it

Creativity (or lack) is what is killing the industry NOT the economy for the most part. Free sites have put a crinckle in it, but those who are able to use it to their advantage - guess what - are making money again.

All you idiots read this over and over again til you get it. And ffs stop blaming tubes. They are not the reason why you do less sales than before.