My TGP using TGPX and AT3 just dropped to page 5 on google - GoFuckYourself.com

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 04:18 AM

I have just had a TGP using TGPX and AT3 lose 12k a day google traffic and drop to page 5 when searching for the domain without the .com

Anybody else using TGPX and AT3 had any problems? Is this the start of TGPs getting dropped using software other than ST?

Klen · 06-30-2009, 04:23 AM

Can you show url so we can research it?

fris · 06-30-2009, 04:25 AM

people need to stop blaming scripts

mikesinner · 06-30-2009, 04:32 AM

Nothing lasts forever

Godsmack · 06-30-2009, 04:43 AM

Sorry to hear that.. and yeah, it's not the scripts! it's Google!

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

people need to stop blaming scripts

Ofcourse It's the people using them that is to blame. If you use them for skimming and circle jerking and spamming you will get penalized 1 day or the other.

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner

Nothing lasts forever

I didn't expect it to last forever although it would have been nice if it did

I thought it was interesting due to the recent events with rankings of sites using ST. Although if it's only happened to me it's not that interesting

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

Ofcourse It's the people using them that is to blame. If you use them for skimming and circle jerking and spamming you will get penalized 1 day or the other.

I agree which is why I'm changing (albeit slowly) all my TGPs to non skim.

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 04:57 AM

don't you guys read instead of basing on some myths some people spew on the forums ?
no skim sites were penalized as well and this has nothing to do with skim

Klen · 06-30-2009, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell

I agree which is why I'm changing (albeit slowly) all my TGPs to non skim.

No need for that,it is enough to put no skim on all kind of traffic except trade traffic.

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 05:28 AM

The problem is you ARE using a script... it makes no difference which script. Look at your thumbnails, that all have the same script url, leading out to various places.

It makes no difference if you skim or not, it's not like google knows the url should bring up a gallery vs. a website.

Then look at your website, how many 'real' pages does it have? One? If it has more, are the other pages totally different than the first? A new title/desc with new thumbnails, isn't a new page - look at it, it's the same thing! How many of your pages look exactly alike?

Do you have traffic/ranking on your backpages, do you have hardlinks to your back pages? Do you have 'galleries' on the domain, to ramp up the back listings that can link to your niched front ends?

The problem with 99% of the gallery posts is that they suck and don't follow the basic 101 rules of Google. It's not the scripts...

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

don't you guys read instead of basing on some myths some people spew on the forums ?
no skim sites were penalized as well and this has nothing to do with skim

I'm not saying it was cause of the skim but I am saying that it will happen sooner or later because of the skim.

A site that skims 50% of It's clicks should not be a relevant site in Google IMO.

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The problem is you ARE using a script... it makes no difference which script. Look at your thumbnails, that all have the same script url, leading out to various places.

It makes no difference if you skim or not, it's not like google knows the url should bring up a gallery vs. a website.

Then look at your website, how many 'real' pages does it have? One? If it has more, are the other pages totally different than the first? A new title/desc with new thumbnails, isn't a new page - look at it, it's the same thing! How many of your pages look exactly alike?

Do you have traffic/ranking on your backpages, do you have hardlinks to your back pages? Do you have 'galleries' on the domain, to ramp up the back listings that can link to your niched front ends?

The problem with 99% of the gallery posts is that they suck and don't follow the basic 101 rules of Google. It's not the scripts...

This is why the tubes are taking over the serps. They use scripts too but scripts that create the content on the domain with new text and titles and hardlinks to them.

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

This is why the tubes are taking over the serps. They use scripts too but scripts that create the content on the domain with new text and titles and hardlinks to them.

Exactly... and because the tube has a very very very much lower bounce rate.

If you have a TGP with thumbs and a Tube with thumbs.. the Tube is going to keep the visitor, much longer.. A TGP will send 90% of the visitors off site.

Even if the TGP is 100x larger in content, traffic, etc.. the tube will appear better in googles eyes.

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The problem with 99% of the gallery posts is that they suck and don't follow the basic 101 rules of Google. It's not the scripts...

It follows the most important rule
It gives the users what they want (lets not get into the skim thing).
The guys that understand this tid bit will get enough google love.
You guys are getting your panties too wet over this small problem, I hate to break
it to you but the keywords that matter are still dominated by tgps (and no porn is not a keyword that matters)

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 06-30-2009, 05:36 AM

TGPs are old news.

Tubes are where the SE traffic is at.

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 05:36 AM

Look what krawl is doing at the very moment. They are whitelabeling and hosting every gallery you submit to them and you fill the gallery with text pics/vids and titles etc for them to host on their domains. Smart.

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Exactly... and because the tube has a very very very much lower bounce rate.

If you have a TGP with thumbs and a Tube with thumbs.. the Tube is going to keep the visitor, much longer.. A TGP will send 90% of the visitors off site.

Even if the TGP is 100x larger in content, traffic, etc.. the tube will appear better in googles eyes.

You are usually well spoken, but right now you're talking out of your ass.
What keywords do you rank for ?

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

It follows the most important rule
It gives the users what they want (lets not get into the skim thing).
The guys that understand this tid bit will get enough google love.
You guys are getting your panties too wet over this small problem, I hate to break
it to you but the keywords that matter are still dominated by tgps (and no porn is not a keyword that matters)

Google has ZERO idea if you skim or not, if the link goes to a gallery, website, or something else.. ALL of it is going off site... that's what they care about.

TGP's don't follow even the first basic rule of Google..

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

You are usually well spoken, but right now you're talking out of your ass.
What keywords do you rank for ?

porn.... hehe, like that means anything..

I have 10,000's of listings across 100's of domains.. and have for 12+ years. SE is prob half my 'web' income.

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

TGP's don't follow even the first basic rule of Google..

Like I already said they follow the most important one, you can chose to ignore that, its not going to hurt anybody.

Raf1 · 06-30-2009, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The problem is you ARE using a script... it makes no difference which script. Look at your thumbnails, that all have the same script url, leading out to various places.

It makes no difference if you skim or not, it's not like google knows the url should bring up a gallery vs. a website.

Then look at your website, how many 'real' pages does it have? One? If it has more, are the other pages totally different than the first? A new title/desc with new thumbnails, isn't a new page - look at it, it's the same thing! How many of your pages look exactly alike?

Do you have traffic/ranking on your backpages, do you have hardlinks to your back pages? Do you have 'galleries' on the domain, to ramp up the back listings that can link to your niched front ends?

The problem with 99% of the gallery posts is that they suck and don't follow the basic 101 rules of Google. It's not the scripts...

well put

Klen · 06-30-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Right

TGPs are old news.

Tubes are where the SE traffic is at.

Yes but it doesn't have sense if keyword like amateur porn pics leads to tube sites which doesn't have pics at all.

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

Like I already said they follow the most important one, you can chose to ignore that, its not going to hurt anybody.

You said "It gives the users what they want (lets not get into the skim thing). "

You are correct, give the users what they want. The problem is, when you use a script on your thumbnails, google doesn't know if the user got what they wanted. How does google know if a gallery over a trade is what the surfer wanted, on your website?

This is called bounce rate actually. When a visitor hits a TGP, they click a thumb, it opens in a new window. (gallery or trade) google sees the visitor is no longer on your website, and the bounce and exit rates increase.

Sites/pages with a lower bounce/exit rate, are going to get listed above you. That's why a site with less backlinks and age can out rank your ass.

This is why tubes, are doing so well... the surfer never leaves the site, the video keeps them on single pages for long periods of time (killing the exit/bounce calculation). The surfer returns, at very high rates, they look up the same keywords in google, giving that ranking more and more 'personal' search value... moving you down the list even more.

TGP/MGP's are dropping like flies because they suck in the eyes of google. It has ZERO to do with the script. Hell, GOOGLE uses tracking scripts on serps.

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You said "It gives the users what they want (lets not get into the skim thing). "

You are correct, give the users what they want. The problem is, when you use a script on your thumbnails, google doesn't know if the user got what they wanted. How does google know if a gallery over a trade is what the surfer wanted, on your website?

This is called bounce rate actually. When a visitor hits a TGP, they click a thumb, it opens in a new window. (gallery or trade) google sees the visitor is no longer on your website, and the bounce and exit rates increase.

Sites/pages with a lower bounce/exit rate, are going to get listed above you. That's why a site with less backlinks and age can out rank your ass.

This is why tubes, are doing so well... the surfer never leaves the site, the video keeps them on single pages for long periods of time (killing the exit/bounce calculation). The surfer returns, at very high rates, they look up the same keywords in google, giving that ranking more and more 'personal' search value... moving you down the list even more.

TGP/MGP's are dropping like flies because they suck in the eyes of google. It has ZERO to do with the script. Hell, GOOGLE uses tracking scripts on serps.

Great post

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You said "It gives the users what they want (lets not get into the skim thing). "

You are correct, give the users what they want. The problem is, when you use a script on your thumbnails, google doesn't know if the user got what they wanted. How does google know if a gallery over a trade is what the surfer wanted, on your website?

This is called bounce rate actually. When a visitor hits a TGP, they click a thumb, it opens in a new window. (gallery or trade) google sees the visitor is no longer on your website, and the bounce and exit rates increase.

Sites/pages with a lower bounce/exit rate, are going to get listed above you. That's why a site with less backlinks and age can out rank your ass.

This is why tubes, are doing so well... the surfer never leaves the site, the video keeps them on single pages for long periods of time (killing the exit/bounce calculation). The surfer returns, at very high rates, they look up the same keywords in google, giving that ranking more and more 'personal' search value... moving you down the list even more.

TGP/MGP's are dropping like flies because they suck in the eyes of google. It has ZERO to do with the script. Hell, GOOGLE uses tracking scripts on serps.

This has been explained before but you seem to pick only the things that explain your "theory"
case in point:
user visits digg.com
sees no new posts on the first page
user leaves in 2 seconds.

bounce rate - frigging high
time spent on site - low as heck

according to your theory digg is worthless in the eyes of google.

Yea, right.

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul

This has been explained before but you seem to pick only the things that explain your "theory"
case in point:
user visits digg.com
sees no new posts on the first page
user leaves in 2 seconds.

bounce rate - frigging high
time spent on site - low as heck

according to your theory digg is worthless in the eyes of google.

Yea, right.

Do you see Digg's PR - That's serious trust, from serious traffic, age, pr, backlinks to mad amounts of pages, huge amounts of internal pages, a user backend, return rate that is high, all types of shit.

Come on.. give me something a bit harder.

And I have always said, traffic is god on the Internet. With that PR, they have the trust, the traffic, hell.. the rules are totally different with them.

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

This has been explained before but you seem to pick only the things that explain your "theory"
case in point:
user visits digg.com
sees no new posts on the first page
user leaves in 2 seconds.

bounce rate - frigging high
time spent on site - low as heck

according to your theory digg is worthless in the eyes of google.

Yea, right.

we can go even a step further.
visitor searches porn on google
goes to porn hub com or whatever

bounce rate - high
time spent on site - low

Google must be the shittiest site there is

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

we can go even a step further.
visitor searches porn on google
goes to porn hub com or whatever

bounce rate - high
time spent on site - low

Google must be the shittiest site there is

Do you want me to start making you look stupid or something?

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Do you want me to start making you look stupid or something?

I'm not into pissing matches and pointless discussions such as this one
but right now I'm bored, so please go for it, big man.

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

I'm not into pissing matches and pointless discussions such as this one
but right now I'm bored, so please go for it, big man.

I really don't have to say much... we can just repost this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

we can go even a step further.
visitor searches porn on google
goes to porn hub com or whatever

bounce rate - high
time spent on site - low

Google must be the shittiest site there is

darksoul · 06-30-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I really don't have to say much... we can just repost this.

oh boy, thats a really smart one.
You win!

have fun

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Raf1

well put

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell

Great post

Thanks btw

CIVMatt · 06-30-2009, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

Ofcourse It's the people using them that is to blame. If you use them for skimming and circle jerking and spamming you will get penalized 1 day or the other.

Exactly, you basically have a link farm and google knows this

TheDoc · 06-30-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Exactly, you basically have a link farm and google knows this

Link farm... That's prob a much better way to put it. With 1 real url, on thumbs with no anchor text... now it makes me wonder why they didn't get hit sooner, or maybe they did?

Klen · 06-30-2009, 06:54 AM

And also for the record,i know there is a SHITLOAD of tubes which have either very high skim or almost 0% skim(where only way to see video is to extract url from source code)

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 07:01 AM

1 way or the other TGP's that don't have and link to internal pages and focus on sending the surfer off their own site as fast as possible will get lower rankings. Atleast that's what it seems, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

If you rank Nr 1 for "Teen porn" with your TGP and the surfers clicks through to your site from google, the first thing you try to do is get him off to either a external sponsor, external gallery or external trade. And with skimming on top of that It just plain sucks for the surfer with todays measures. And thus it sucks for google and you will get lower rankings eventually.

Nicky · 06-30-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

And also for the record,i know there is a SHITLOAD of tubes which have either very high skim or almost 0% skim(where only way to see video is to extract url from source code)

And do you see them rank high in google?

Ramster · 06-30-2009, 07:11 AM

A rumor I heard was any TGP WITHOUT a WARNING PAGE got penalized. My 2 tgps with warning pages did not drop but the 4 without a warning page are way way down in google now.

fris · 06-30-2009, 07:12 AM

people need to stop putting trade scripts in the urls being on the tgps/mgps just direct links to galleries

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 01:22 PM

Thanks for the replies. Seems it was just my site that got moved to page 5.

CyberHustler · 06-30-2009, 01:32 PM

cykoe6 · 06-30-2009, 01:34 PM

I had two ST/ATX sites get dropped to page 5 today that had avoided the penalty earlier.

Klen · 06-30-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

I had two ST/ATX sites get dropped to page 5 today that had avoided the penalty earlier.

Which only confirm how this penalties happening because of black hat abuse.

Darrell · 06-30-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I had two ST/ATX sites get dropped to page 5 today that had avoided the penalty earlier.

Sorry to hear that. Maybe I got the same penalty as the ST sites then. I'm thinking about taking out the AT3 links on my other TGPs and just having the links to the galleries. Maybe I can keep my SE traffic on my other TGPs if it is skimming sites google are dropping.

tiger · 06-30-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramster

A rumor I heard was any TGP WITHOUT a WARNING PAGE got penalized. My 2 tgps with warning pages did not drop but the 4 without a warning page are way way down in google now.

I doubt that is the reason. Google already has an adult filter that can take care of people that don't want to see adult.

Most TGPs are nothing more then doorway/link farm pages on different domains. That's without even bringing the CJ and skim sites into the mix. I'm actually surprised this didn't happen much sooner.

wizzart · 06-30-2009, 04:31 PM

I saw some others TGP owners write same thing

HomerSimpson · 06-30-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

people need to stop blaming scripts

but the script is the problem since it leaves it's shit in the footer of the site,
even if you paid for damn thing.

I would understand that you have too keep some shit on the site that you don't want for free version, but to have that in paid one too is just too much...

brassmonkey · 06-30-2009, 08:30 PM

well ok then

06-30-2009, 04:18 AM	#1
Darrell Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In bed asleep Posts: 803	My TGP using TGPX and AT3 just dropped to page 5 on google I have just had a TGP using TGPX and AT3 lose 12k a day google traffic and drop to page 5 when searching for the domain without the .com Anybody else using TGPX and AT3 had any problems? Is this the start of TGPs getting dropped using software other than ST?

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The problem is you ARE using a script... it makes no difference which script. Look at your thumbnails, that all have the same script url, leading out to various places. It makes no difference if you skim or not, it's not like google knows the url should bring up a gallery vs. a website. Then look at your website, how many 'real' pages does it have? One? If it has more, are the other pages totally different than the first? A new title/desc with new thumbnails, isn't a new page - look at it, it's the same thing! How many of your pages look exactly alike? Do you have traffic/ranking on your backpages, do you have hardlinks to your back pages? Do you have 'galleries' on the domain, to ramp up the back listings that can link to your niched front ends? The problem with 99% of the gallery posts is that they suck and don't follow the basic 101 rules of Google. It's not the scripts... __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 06-30-2009 at 05:29 AM..

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Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Look what krawl is doing at the very moment. They are whitelabeling and hosting every gallery you submit to them and you fill the gallery with text pics/vids and titles etc for them to host on their domains. Smart. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

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Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	And also for the record,i know there is a SHITLOAD of tubes which have either very high skim or almost 0% skim(where only way to see video is to extract url from source code)

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Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	1 way or the other TGP's that don't have and link to internal pages and focus on sending the surfer off their own site as fast as possible will get lower rankings. Atleast that's what it seems, and I don't see anything wrong with that. If you rank Nr 1 for "Teen porn" with your TGP and the surfers clicks through to your site from google, the first thing you try to do is get him off to either a external sponsor, external gallery or external trade. And with skimming on top of that It just plain sucks for the surfer with todays measures. And thus it sucks for google and you will get lower rankings eventually. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com Last edited by Nicky; 06-30-2009 at 07:03 AM..

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