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LAJ · 07-01-2009, 12:00 PM

PITTSBURGH, PA ? Robert Zicari and his wife, Janet Romano, owners of the now-defunct adult production house Extreme Associates, were sentenced Wednesday to one year plus one day in federal prison after pleading guilty in March to one count each of conspiracy to distribute obscene materials.

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We have some exclusive quotes from attorney Lou Sirkin in our original coverage at YNOT. Check it out and let us know what you think of this...

Big thanks to Tom and Kathee for getting this coverage...

Deej · 07-01-2009, 12:24 PM

Rob was one of my first long time clients.

Although I feel bad for him, his content pushed the fucking limits.

He produced some willd shit!!!!!!

I do hope everything works out for him when he gets out...

american pervert · 07-01-2009, 12:26 PM

the main things he needs to tell his clients is when they are on a nationwide tv show...

DON'T CHALLENGE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

and

KEEP A LOW PROFILE

pornguy · 07-01-2009, 12:33 PM

Ha. For some reason, people around here think that all press is good press.

Rochard · 07-01-2009, 12:37 PM

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

Deej · 07-01-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Ha. For some reason, people around here think that all press is good press.

I dont think thats the case here at all...

marketsmart · 07-01-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

its called community standards..

what it should be called is the govt will put your ass in jail whenever it feels like it..

Barefootsies · 07-01-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

the main things he needs to tell his clients is when they are on a nationwide tv show...

DON'T CHALLENGE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

and

KEEP A LOW PROFILE

Exactly right.

Just as 'most' people keep a low profile with their own neighborhood, and local community. You should error on the side of caution if you are planning to go on national TV shows. Taunting, or cocky remarks are just putting a huge bulls eye on your back.

If history has shown us nothing else. The government likes to go after the super rich, to assess fines and essentially make money/revenue. Or high profile people to make a name for themselves, and show their constituents they are on top of things.

LAJ · 07-01-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

Rob touched on that at a panel I put him on at Cybernet Expo 2005...

"it's just a fuckin movie" he said... and as far as I'm concerned, he's right.

"Traffic" and "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" and "Kids" can depict underage sex without repurcussions, but Extreme can't put out content with consenting adults?

Deej · 07-01-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Rob touched on that at a panel I put him on at Cybernet Expo 2005...

"it's just a fuckin movie" he said... and as far as I'm concerned, he's right.

"Traffic" and "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" and "Kids" can depict underage sex without repurcussions, but Extreme can't put out content with consenting adults?

Yea man, Kids... WHat the fuck...

That movie really shouldnt be available to 'anyone' to rent a blockbuster...

LAJ · 07-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Yea man, Kids... WHat the fuck...

That movie really shouldnt be available to 'anyone' to rent a blockbuster...

Yeah man... disturbing as hell eh? Tired of the double standard...

notime · 07-01-2009, 03:16 PM

bad bad bad bad

It's porn, why should anybody go to prison for making niches where all agree as being consenting adults?

Freedom and a person's LIFE is worth whoever runs current politics, law & media then?

Allthough I do not personally support certain niches, but where ever it's still legal and adult people know what they are doing, the freedom of speech comes to mind again here. As long as they are 18+ and very aware of the situation & consiquences and act out of free will, drug-free and not-intoxicated, it should be a free world IMO.

I never really understood why governments and/or politicians interfere with people's personal and intimate sexual lives (unless they looked for it in google and did not like it and therefore used their power to uphold personal beliefs).

Dear Rob Black,

You do NOT deserve to go to jail and have your live fucked over.

If any movie is distubing it's these Hollywood movies like "Hostel" or "Saw" or violent games where you have to shoot people, kill 'm with a chainsaw, rip our their spine (and kids can buy and use them). These creep me out big time.

2012 is a good movie also; billions die (unlike in adult movies where people get paid and live another day for doing or enjoying a personal sexual fetish whcih is a primary need next to food and safety).

american pervert · 07-01-2009, 03:21 PM

His movie was bought in a community has fucked up obsenity laws. There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to.

Why is prosutation legel in one place and not others??

why is gambling only legal in certain places??

guess what, the world isn't fair, and if you do something that is controversial, keep your fucking head down.

rob is an attention whore, if he decided to not to aim for glory via pbs, he'd still be making his crappy movies.

notime · 07-01-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

His movie was bought in a community has fucked up obsenity laws. There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to.

Why is prosutation legel in one place and not others??

why is gambling only legal in certain places??

guess what, the world isn't fair, and if you do something that is controversial, keep your fucking head down.

rob is an attention whore, if he decided to not to aim for glory via pbs, he'd still be making his crappy movies.

Why is prostitution legal in one place and not others?
-good question

Why is gambling only legal in certain places?
-good question

There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to...
-wrong zipcode and ALL your freedom and personal life ends right there?

SteveHardeman · 07-01-2009, 03:30 PM

I don't know the couple in question. Appears they may have asked for it. However, the fact that they are going to jail for this should be scary to every single person on this board.

Darrah · 07-01-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

No one is being hurt except for maybe the stunt doubles.

kane · 07-01-2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime

Why is prostitution legal in one place and not others?
-good question

Why is gambling only legal in certain places?
-good question

There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to...
-wrong zipcode and ALL your freedom and personal life ends right there?

And when it comes to the internet there should be no community standard. I can understand the community standard if it is sold at a store in a community because then that store is part of said community. But if the product is ordered online and shipped to you the only people who know you have it is you, the person who sold it to you and anyone you decide to tell. There is no community involvement.

It is no different than letting the community decide that books you can order from Amazon or what music you can download from itunes.

notime · 07-01-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I don't know the couple in question. Appears they may have asked for it. However, the fact that they are going to jail for this should be scary to every single person on this board.

"Allthough I do not personally support certain niches"

But they don't deserve doing hard time like bankrobbers, rapist, child molesters, madoff's & subprime loan inventors...
Their niche is is bit out of the ordinary but still I would rather deal with Rob Black then with Mr. Madoff or put my money in Lehman's. But I guess Lehman guys will not share a cell with Rob (hey, maybe their lies the answer.. where $talks&bs_walks)

LAJ · 07-01-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

I don't know the couple in question. Appears they may have asked for it. However, the fact that they are going to jail for this should be scary to every single person on this board.

Or at least those on this board who are in the biz.

Sadly, I don't think enough people care.

mikesouth · 07-01-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime

Why is prostitution legal in one place and not others?
-good question

Why is gambling only legal in certain places?
-good question

There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to...
-wrong zipcode and ALL your freedom and personal life ends right there?

Read your consitutuional law the answers are all there first day

try the 10th amendment

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

amazing what a little fucking education will do for you

tiger · 07-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

Thats what I ask myself all the time. Americans love violence so murder and torture is fine. Just no fucking. Go rent some Rated R horror flicks. Who is going to say those aren't obscene?

Robbie · 07-03-2009, 12:02 PM

It's total bullshit. The U.S. govt. is becoming so repressive of people.

Having said that...Rob Black has done some crazy ass shit to get the govt. to target him. First he owned the pro wrestling promotion "Ring Of Honor" and then left that in disgrace after being caught up in some scandal with an underage boy. That kind of stuff just puts you all over the government radar. And with our govt., that's a bad thing. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now.

Profits of Doom · 07-03-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's total bullshit. The U.S. govt. is becoming so repressive of people.

Having said that...Rob Black has done some crazy ass shit to get the govt. to target him. First he owned the pro wrestling promotion "Ring Of Honor" and then left that in disgrace after being caught up in some scandal with an underage boy. That kind of stuff just puts you all over the government radar. And with our govt., that's a bad thing. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now.

That wasn't Rob Black that owned Ring of Honor, that was a guy named Rob Feinstein that also owned a company called RF Video that sold pro wrestling and MMA videos. Feinstein got caught talking to an underage boy online that was actually an undercover cop. Rob Black owned a wrestling company called XPW that operated from 1999-2003 and was doing ok for itself until the whole Pittsburgh legal issues, and Rob suspended operations of XPW to concentrate on his defense...

Robbie · 07-03-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

That wasn't Rob Black that owned Ring of Honor, that was a guy named Rob Feinstein that also owned a company called RF Video that sold pro wrestling and MMA videos. Feinstein got caught talking to an underage boy online that was actually an undercover cop. Rob Black owned a wrestling company called XPW that operated from 1999-2003 and was doing ok for itself until the whole Pittsburgh legal issues, and Rob suspended operations of XPW to concentrate on his defense...

Damn you are so right.

My apologies to Rob Black. Total brain fart on my behalf.

american pervert · 07-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Read your consitutuional law the answers are all there first day

try the 10th amendment

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

amazing what a little fucking education will do for you

exactly. it comes down to states rights and what CA allows, PA does not. rob black fucked up.

DWB · 07-03-2009, 04:52 PM

While I don't like what they were shooting, and the same goes for Max Hardcore, I don't think nobody should go to jail over it. Yes, they pushed the limits and yes they may have even been asking for unwanted attention, but jail time? Come on, that's bull shit. One more reason I'm glad I don't live in the USA any more.

So the question is, with Rob AND Max in jail, who's next?

american pervert · 07-03-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

While I don't like what they were shooting, and the same goes for Max Hardcore, I don't think nobody should go to jail over it. Yes, they pushed the limits and yes they may have even been asking for unwanted attention, but jail time? Come on, that's bull shit. One more reason I'm glad I don't live in the USA any more.

So the question is, with Rob AND Max in jail, who's next?

Are you in thailand? last time I checked porn was illegal there.

sortie · 07-03-2009, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this. At all.

I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \

What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal?

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/o002.htm

Quote:

For something to be "obscene" it must be shown that the average person, applying contemporary community standards and viewing the material as a whole, would find (1) that the work appeals predominantly to "prurient" interest; (2) that it depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and (3) that it lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

http://www.definition-of.com/prurient+interest

Quote:

prurient interest :
(Adult / Slang)
A legal term defined, in 1984, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit as ' a shameful and morbid interest in nudity, sex, or excretion.'

Basically if the rape/murder/torture itself is the only plot you have then don't expect to
win under this statue.

Mc Hamster says :

If you want to lose
then put gore
in your hardcore
and drink a lot of booze.

@ Mc Hamster.

07-01-2009, 12:00 PM	#1
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,568	YNOT Reports: Exclusive quotes from attorney Lou Sirkin regarding Extreme assoc. PITTSBURGH, PA ? Robert Zicari and his wife, Janet Romano, owners of the now-defunct adult production house Extreme Associates, were sentenced Wednesday to one year plus one day in federal prison after pleading guilty in March to one count each of conspiracy to distribute obscene materials. Continue at: http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...le &sid=50357 ---------------- We have some exclusive quotes from attorney Lou Sirkin in our original coverage at YNOT. Check it out and let us know what you think of this... Big thanks to Tom and Kathee for getting this coverage... __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

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Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Rob was one of my first long time clients. Although I feel bad for him, his content pushed the fucking limits. He produced some willd shit!!!!!! I do hope everything works out for him when he gets out... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

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american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,829	the main things he needs to tell his clients is when they are on a nationwide tv show... DON'T CHALLENGE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and KEEP A LOW PROFILE __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,911	I don't understand this. At all. I recently purchased one of the new James Bond movies on DVD from Amazon.com. Rape is illegal, but so is murder. How come no one got arrested when I purchased a DVD that displays graphic violence, people being murdered, and Daniel Craig having his balls tickled when he's buck ass naked by the bad guy who is whipping his nut sack? \ What's the fucking difference? When Hollywood does it it's considered art, but when we do it it's considered illegal? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,019	bad bad bad bad It's porn, why should anybody go to prison for making niches where all agree as being consenting adults? Freedom and a person's LIFE is worth whoever runs current politics, law & media then? Allthough I do not personally support certain niches, but where ever it's still legal and adult people know what they are doing, the freedom of speech comes to mind again here. As long as they are 18+ and very aware of the situation & consiquences and act out of free will, drug-free and not-intoxicated, it should be a free world IMO. I never really understood why governments and/or politicians interfere with people's personal and intimate sexual lives (unless they looked for it in google and did not like it and therefore used their power to uphold personal beliefs). Dear Rob Black, You do NOT deserve to go to jail and have your live fucked over. If any movie is distubing it's these Hollywood movies like "Hostel" or "Saw" or violent games where you have to shoot people, kill 'm with a chainsaw, rip our their spine (and kids can buy and use them). These creep me out big time. 2012 is a good movie also; billions die (unlike in adult movies where people get paid and live another day for doing or enjoying a personal sexual fetish whcih is a primary need next to food and safety).

07-01-2009, 03:21 PM	#13
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,829	His movie was bought in a community has fucked up obsenity laws. There is a list of zip codes you don't ship to. Why is prosutation legel in one place and not others?? why is gambling only legal in certain places?? guess what, the world isn't fair, and if you do something that is controversial, keep your fucking head down. rob is an attention whore, if he decided to not to aim for glory via pbs, he'd still be making his crappy movies. __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

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SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	I don't know the couple in question. Appears they may have asked for it. However, the fact that they are going to jail for this should be scary to every single person on this board. __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	It's total bullshit. The U.S. govt. is becoming so repressive of people. Having said that...Rob Black has done some crazy ass shit to get the govt. to target him. First he owned the pro wrestling promotion "Ring Of Honor" and then left that in disgrace after being caught up in some scandal with an underage boy. That kind of stuff just puts you all over the government radar. And with our govt., that's a bad thing. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-03-2009, 04:52 PM	#26
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	While I don't like what they were shooting, and the same goes for Max Hardcore, I don't think nobody should go to jail over it. Yes, they pushed the limits and yes they may have even been asking for unwanted attention, but jail time? Come on, that's bull shit. One more reason I'm glad I don't live in the USA any more. So the question is, with Rob AND Max in jail, who's next?