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Don't buy traffic from sordid
I'm fed up and I hope some may take my advice on this one...
I sent this dude money last month for some traffic and it's been nothing but a bunch of bullshit atop bullshit... sordidtraffic [email protected] June 17th I sent him $500 for 50k worth of tier 1 traffic and have had about 20 emails and multiple icq's as a result... no traffic except a 2 day period when I was insisting on my money back I think I got about 2k from a trojan infected site... just a heads up |
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Wow thats a co. I've never heard of. Sux about your money.
I hope they finds this thread and give your money back.
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Shitty man. Good luck getting your money back.
I dont spam out traffic sponsors much but I just tried Traffic Shop this week and very happy. Give them a try ![]()
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Yeah I`ll post everything in due course that includes the banners that we designed for you that are up here - http://www.vstrippoker.com/affiliates/promo.html, the exact same traffic we delivered outside of our traffic script (that you tracked ok) and also the 40,000 extra visitors (on top of the 50 k order) that we added for you free of charge.
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If so, let's hope he gets rid of that fucking 'seeandsee' twat.
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Just for the record, SordidMedia, SordidTraffic, and SordidDesigns has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to do with SOBV, SordidOnes BV.
If anyone has any questions please by all means feel free to contact me. Thanks!
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Would like a response from these companies... below
I asked stephen to give me a list of contacts during icq and would like to know if it's legit or not... My question to him was "i would like to know 2 people that can vouch for your traffic"... he responded "we have worked with loads of clients... Medley, Sexsearch, Cams.com, lots of individuals, 100's of individuals" has anyone had a positive experience from buying traffic from sordid? |
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Buyer purchased traffc on the 17th June.
Package comprised of 50 k of traffic, banner ads, text links etc. As part of the package, we asked if you would like some new banners designed to which you reply yes and they were done within 2 days, you stated you was happy with them and they are now sitting on your affiliate promo page. We then discuss the package for a couple of days and what was to be included as you mentioned that you wanted to revise some of the package to which I was absolutely fine with because I wanted you to be happy. I then have the traffic started on the 23rd June (the stats login for the 50 k of clicked was sent to you) and follow that up with a selection of the other ads that we set-up also. You then state that you cannot see the traffic coming in so I tried to explain to you how the script works and you still state you cannot find the referrals. I then run the exact same clicked traffic through my geo script but not through the stats tracking script (your login) and you now state that you see the traffic ok and received some free email sign-ups with it. I deliver this for a few days and assure you that we will get a new traffic script set-up especially for you as soon as posible but to compensate any delay, the traffic that you are seeing now will be free of charge (so will not count towards the 50 k that you paid for). We didn`t really need to set-up a new traffic script atall because this script has been used for 1,000`s of customers over the years. At this stage, mmcfadden becomes quite abusive. I state again that I`m sorry that his tracking does not capture the referrals however the URL`s that he is now seeing in his server stats is the EXACT same traffic that was sent when the campaign originally started. So we are now up to the last few days, we have a new traffic script that we purely set-up for the buyer so to meet with his requirements and I added a further complimentary 40,000 clicks onto the package (so 90,000 added, 50,000 paid for). Unfortunately the buyer continues to be difficult and becomes abusive telling me to fuck-off and states he will "post his experience" Very unreasonable guy. |
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You, Stephen, took my $500 and gave me nothing but headaches and false promises over the past 45 days... The banners... you offered them for free and I thought you would be using them on the traffic campaign which you never came through... I'm a patient guy but you told me soooo many times that traffic would be up the next day... every time failing And please do not insult my intelligence regarding Cpanel not registering hits... it can happen in a fraction of a second, however, CPanel would register the hits and I would be able to see them |
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I have stated the facts regarding this matter so don`t intend to repeat myself anymore.
As promised to you earlier on ICQ, I have awarded a partial refund which covers the undelivered traffic etc. |
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Refund my money like I asked numerous times when you told me, over and over, that traffic would start. I gave you $500 for traffic and didn't receive it... should I know accept $300, $200, or $50 dollars back because you decide what nothing you provided? Don't send me anything please... |
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I stated the facts, you don`t like the facts. You contradict yourself constantly. Perhaps you don`t even know that you are doing it. As mentioned already, the partial refund has already been processed despite the lies that you have told and the aggressive comments towards me. |
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and posting lies... you serious? do you know that icq saves history?
short version... hey man where's my traffic... 2-3k hits will be delivered by today...(yada yada date) yo man... no traffic yet sorry about that problems with the script hey... thought you worked that out last week? your not getting traffic... let me check it out... No traffic yet... I assure you that traffic is being sent.. Where? Likely from my ass because I am full of shit... that is a recap of the conversations on ICQ over the last 30 days... sorry stephen talking to you seemed more like 45 days, and by all means stephen... post the actuall icq's with emails |
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Looking at vstrippoker.com in compete, quantcast and alexa shows no traffic spike and less traffic than was bought.
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/vstrippoker.com/ http://www.quantcast.com/vstrippoker.com http://alexa.com/siteinfo/vstrippoker.com
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Ok, so seems like we have a he says / she says argument. Simple resolution. One party claims no traffic was sent. The other says it was. Do either of you have click logs or apache logs tracking the traffic being sent? That should end the argument.
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he sent a couple k worth of hits from these urls... teenxxxmovie.net glamursluts.com homepornvideotube.com after I requested a refund and didn't see any traffic... below is the email log... i shouldn't post it but I will... I'm pissed Mark, I was going to message you as I wanted an update. I will run the traffic from other sites (not tubes but clean pages). I will also begin setting-up the banners which have not been done yet as I now know that you are at least seeing the visitors in your stats. Talk soon. Best Regards, Stephen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] > Stephen, > > Traffic appears dead. This is really alot of back and forth for this > traffic and I mistakenly gave $500 before I new it would be set up > properly. > > Plus... tube sites are horrible for conversions. > > I would really rather just get my $500 back. > > Mark > >> Delivery is skimmed (clicked). This type of traffic will form part of the >> 50,000 visitors. You will also have the targeted traffic that will be >> delivered also that is part of the ad package. >> >> I will make the arrangements to set-up all traffic along with referring >> URL`s and your stats login etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Stephen. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >> >> >>>I do see those sites in my stats. >>> >>> How are they getting to my site? I don't see any banners or links on >>> them. >>> >>> Also... I track the number of free sign-ups from traffic I buy. I am >>> tracking the url's you listed below now but any other sites added I will >>> need those url's as well. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>>> Hi Mark, as promised traffic is now running to >>>> http://www.vstrippoker.com/refer.php and is arriving from these sites >>>> right >>>> now: >>>> >>>> teenxxxmovie.net >>>> glamursluts.com >>>> homepornvideotube.com >>>> >>>> I have not put this through the stats as part of your order purely >>>> because >>>> I >>>> want to be comfortable that you are tracking it ok etc. >>>> >>>> You will see some 1.5 - 2k delivered over the next 24 hours. Please let >>>> me >>>> know it is appearing ok and we can at last get all your campaign set-up >>>> properly (so all the ad spots with a different stats login than the >>>> last >>>> one >>>> we used for you). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Stephen. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:35 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>> >>>> >>>>> I`m in the process of setting up the ads etc. All will definitely be >>>>> running tomorrow (Tuesday) and I will of course provide referral URL`s >>>>> for >>>>> your tracking. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks once again for your patience. >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Stephen. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:17 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have seen 3 sites that I have not seen before send some clicks over >>>>>> in >>>>>> my cpanel. >>>>>> >>>>>> One problem is I can't track my signups unless I know the referring >>>>>> URL. >>>>>> It appears that the traffic will register under the site name so I >>>>>> need >>>>>> to >>>>>> know all the url's prior. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some 300 - 350 visitors sent over the past 18 hours. A small amount >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> sent >>>>>>> purely to check that you have seen them ok within your tracking? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please advise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, the traffic has now started to run over the past hour (some >>>>>>>> 50 >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> so visitors delivered). These are all clicks that are arriving at >>>>>>>> http://www.vstrippoker.com/refer.php >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please let me know if you are seeing these in your stats. You will >>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>> see a sordid type URL or a referral URL of one of the actual sites >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> are sending you clicks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Once all is ok, I will forward onto you a stats login and have all >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> ads set-up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:31 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, I received the request but before I refund it (I would have to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> through how you paid - 2CO and not Paypal) please let me get this >>>>>>>>> resolved for you. We have used the tracking script for years and >>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>>>> only had a handful of issues with clients complaining of not >>>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> traffic within their own stats tracking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I`m certainly not questioning your stats (I totally believe you) >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> is why I am trying to fix up our newer script that we bought >>>>>>>>> fairly >>>>>>>>> recently and deliver the traffic through that for you. I know I am >>>>>>>>> repeating myself but please let me get this fully running today >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>> your traffic. I will as promised add extra ads to compensate these >>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I fail today, I will of course process the refund. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:12 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I sent you a request for $500 through paypal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don't know what's going on with your traffic but I am not seeing >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> can't wait any longer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please bare with me re your traffic. I assure you it is all in >>>>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>> just trying to resolve the following - >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Why the traffic wasn`t showing for you and >>>>>>>>>>> 2. More importantly - I will ensure your traffic runs through >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> traffic script that I am testing (we very rarely use this). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Once again, please be assured that your campaign will be running >>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> extra ads to compensate this delay etc. Sorry again for the >>>>>>>>>>> wait. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:12 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, the issues will be resolved at my end by tomorrow and >>>>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> be flowing through our new traffic script. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Talk soon. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen. >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "SordidTraffic.com" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:44 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: vstrip banners] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What is going on with the traffic? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you another day but if this traffic doesn't start by >>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would like my $500 back. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll send you the paypal email where to refund my money. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark |
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mmcfadden, you have been sent approximately 18,000 clicks over the last 20 or so days. The rough break back of this is as follows:
Just under 5 k sent initially through the traffic script. The other 13 k was sent (but not through the traffic script) that you confirmed you was receiving. You know that is the truth so why you took it upon yourself to open threads here stating you had no traffic sent is beyond me. You even confirmed that you was seeing some free sign-ups. I tried to assist you constantly and you know this is true as I was constantly trying to offer suggestions in way of tracking accurately but you refused to listen. Anyway, I have said this all before. You seem intent on dragging this out. In answer to your question - your partial refund was processed earlier via the method that you paid. |
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SordidMedia (22:51):
But you told me I was the only one sending traffic. That`s what you said in the email. refer.php mikemcfadden (22:51): we are done... no fucking more of this shit and I am posting about my experience SordidMedia (22:51): Sure. You do that and I will reply also and run through exactly what you have been offered. mikemcfadden (22:52): fine... just have all the people that have bought traffic from you back you up.... You have $500 of my dollars that I want back SordidMedia (22:52): I will process a partial refund minus the work that has been done thus far. SordidMedia (22:55): The trouble with you is that you don`t want to listen and because I quoted facts to you, you become pissed and come out with comments such as "I will post about my experience" mikemcfadden (22:56): the problem my brother is I sent money to you weeks ago and no results... I have only alot of emails and ICQ's SordidMedia (22:56): That isn`t true. You and I both know that. Some traffic has been sent. mikemcfadden (22:56): really... when did I deposit the money>? SordidMedia (22:57): So you are denying that you received any traffic? mikemcfadden (22:57): fuck off man... you are something else. SordidMedia (22:57): Again, you don`t like facts. Just resort to swearing at me. |
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I know we went back and forth constantly with emails/icq but that isn't the point man. I gave you money and expected something in return... all I got was alot of messages from you that didn't equate to shit... |
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You WERE sent some traffic and we were sorry to hear that you were seeing some problems with tracking the visitors even though the traffic WAS sent and it is the same traffic as the last 2,000 or so visitors that have been sent over the past 24 hours. They are the facts. We had new tracking for you today but you told me to fuck-off. So I said I would process a partial refund which I have. You are aggressive and have been difficult to deal with. |
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I can't seem to copy my icq... oh well. not that important
there is lines left off above... I don't need it though... I am saying I paid $500 for traffic never delivered... take your chances if you want |
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You said it had been altered. NOTHING has been altered. I copied from a time to the close of the conversation.
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I'm in this biz to make money... not chat... Still waiting for your references as I will have mine come in shortly |
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I know this game man... piss off the client enough and he will just bail. that's what I did stephen, you told me too many times traffic will be coming... stats are tracking, etc. I reached the end today... now I am calling you out.... |
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Seriously, no click logs? Shouldn't every traffic seller have some sort of click logs. Apache logs at least? That would settle the argument pretty quick.
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WiredGuy, whatever I extract now will no doubt be dismissed by the buyer.
I`m tired of trying to talk with this guy and this thread has become very boring so I`m going to try and steer clear as I have posted what has happened and as mentioned repeatedly I have processed his part refund. |
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Told you yesterday to look at the raw serverlogs of the server to get to the bottom of this. It's the ONLY way you will ever know
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I don't want a refund now... i want you to explain why stats on your end wouldn't register on my control panel? besides that... your massive suck factor of sending traffic? btw... send me the stats of your traffic (shortly after i gave you $500 and received a login from you) when I logged in and it showed 3k hits but nothing on my cpanel... thanks |
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you're both retarded, who cares
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boo hoo you lost $500
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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A lot of talk here
Both sides seem to have decent stories Lets just call it a draw ![]() ![]() |
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#49 |
So Fucking Banned
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: philly
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#50 |
So Fucking Banned
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: philly
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