BFT3K

What do you think?

Bomberoso

Well it wasn't on the internet... and you know what they say about stuff on the internet...

nikki99

the moonwalk was real

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It was real.

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SilentKnight

No credible reason to doubt it.

Doug E

In addition to all the compelling counter arguments to the conspiracy theorists ideas, if it was fake the Soviets would have known and would have been more than happy to point it out to the world.

iTouch!

michael jackson did the moon walk on the moon?

BFT3K

Original moon landing tapes were accidentally erased. Really?...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090716...b-a337f0f.html

Dirty Dane

YouTube says it's fake. So it must be.

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CyberHustler

NASA lost moon footage, but Hollywood restores it ()

By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) ? 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON ? NASA could put a man on the moon but didn't have the sense to keep the original video of the live TV transmission.

In an embarrassing acknowledgment, the space agency said Thursday that it must have erased the Apollo 11 moon footage years ago so that it could reuse the videotape.

But now Hollywood is coming to the rescue.

The studio wizards who restored "Casablanca" are digitally sharpening and cleaning up the ghostly, grainy footage of the moon landing, making it even better than what TV viewers saw on July 20, 1969. They are doing it by working from four copies that NASA scrounged from around the world.

"There's nothing being created; there's nothing being manufactured," said NASA senior engineer Dick Nafzger, who is in charge of the project. "You can now see the detail that's coming out."

The first batch of restored footage was released just in time for the 40th anniversary of the "one giant leap for mankind," and some of the details seem new because of their sharpness. Originally, astronaut Neil Armstrong's face visor was too fuzzy to be seen clearly. The upgraded video of Earth's first moonwalker shows the visor and a reflection in it.

The $230,000 refurbishing effort is only three weeks into a monthslong project, and only 40 percent of the work has been done. But it does show improvements in four snippets: Armstrong walking down the ladder; Buzz Aldrin following him; the two astronauts reading a plaque they left on the moon; and the planting of the flag on the lunar surface.

Nafzger said a huge search that began three years ago for the old moon tapes led to the "inescapable conclusion" that 45 tapes of Apollo 11 video were erased and reused. His report on that will come out in a few weeks.

The original videos beamed to Earth were stored on giant reels of tape that each contained 15 minutes of video, along with other data from the moon. In the 1970s and '80s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes, so it erased about 200,000 of them and reused them.

How did NASA end up looking like a bumbling husband taping over his wedding video with the Super Bowl?

Nafzger, who was in charge of the live TV recordings back in the Apollo years, said they were mostly thought of as data tapes. It wasn't his job to preserve history, he said, just to make sure the footage worked. In retrospect, he said he wished NASA hadn't reused the tapes.

Outside historians were aghast.

"It's surprising to me that NASA didn't have the common sense to save perhaps the most important historical footage of the 20th century," said Rice University historian and author Douglas Brinkley. He noted that NASA saved all sorts of data and artifacts from Apollo 11, and it is "mind-boggling that the tapes just disappeared."

The remastered copies may look good, but "when dealing with historical film footage, you always want the original to study," Brinkley said.

Smithsonian Institution space curator Roger Launius, a former NASA chief historian, said the loss of the original video "doesn't surprise me that much."

"It was a mistake, no doubt about that," Launius said. "This is a problem inside the entire federal government. ... They don't think that preservation is all that important."

Launius said federal warehouses where historical artifacts are saved are "kind of like the last scene of `Raiders of the Lost Ark.' It just goes away in this place with other big boxes."

The company that restored all the Indiana Jones movies, including "Raiders," is the one bailing out NASA.

Lowry Digital of Burbank, Calif., noted that "Casablanca" had a pixel count 10 times higher than the moon video, meaning the Apollo 11 footage was fuzzier than that vintage movie and more of a challenge in one sense.

Of all the video the company has dealt with, "this is by far and away the lowest quality," said Lowry president Mike Inchalik.

Nafzger praised Lowry for restoring "crispness" to the Apollo video. Historian Launius wasn't as blown away.

"It's certainly a little better than the original," Launius said. "It's not a lot better."

The Apollo 11 video remains in black and white. Inchalik said he would never consider colorizing it, as has been done to black-and-white classic films. And the moon is mostly gray anyway.

The restoration used four video sources: CBS News originals; kinescopes from the National Archives; a video from Australia that received the transmission of the original moon video; and camera shots of a TV monitor.

Both Nafzger and Inchalik acknowledged that digitally remastering the video could further encourage conspiracy theorists who believe NASA faked the entire moon landing on a Hollywood set. But they said they enhanced the video as conservatively as possible.

Besides, Inchalik said that if there had been a conspiracy to fake a moon landing, NASA surely would have created higher-quality film.

Back in 1969, nearly 40 percent of the picture quality was lost converting from one video format used on the moon ? called slow scan ? to something that could be played on TVs on Earth, Nafzger said.

NASA did not lose other Apollo missions' videos because they weren't stored on the type of tape that needed to be reused, Nafzger said.

As part of the moon landing's 40th anniversary, the space agency has been trotting out archival material. NASA has a Web site with audio from private conversations in the lunar module and command capsule. The agency is also webcasting radio from Apollo 11 as if the mission were taking place today.

The video restoration project did not involve improving the sound. Inchalik said he listened to Armstrong's famous first words from the surface of the moon, trying to hear if he said "one small step for man" or "one small step for A man," but couldn't tell.

Through a letter read at a news conference Thursday, Armstrong had the last word about the video from the moon: "I was just amazed that there was any picture at all."
On the Net:

* NASA restored video: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/apollo11.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...zpw0gD99FPS2G0

TheLegacy

Few of us actually sat and watched it when they were younger - I was one of them.

Remember sitting in my parents living room around the black and white TV the whole time - we actually camped out as a family on lawn chairs and couch. The men who came home were hero's and even today not one of them - not for any money would deny what happened. They were there and back.

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CheeseFrog

Probably the most compelling reason to believe it was real to date.

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Rochard

And there's your answer right there.

I read a book about the Space Race a few months back, and it seems to me when Russia launched Sputnik it scared the US - Russia had beat us into space. The only reason we went to the moon to was to beat the Russians there.

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globofun

I believe in every conspiracies!

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psili

It's fucking fake. Nobody landed on the moon. All the people shooting lasers at the mirror placed on it by Apollo 11 astronauts were fooled.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...-laser-funding

I'm calling fake. Because it makes more sense to make some crazy shit up.

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DefaultMan

Why is it taking us so long to go back to the moon?

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cherrylula

and the soviets never faked anything either...

BFT3K

Maybe so...

Question: What is the distance to the Moon?

Answer: The average distance from the center of the Earth to the center of the Moon is 384,403 km (238,857 miles).

Before you write that into your homework assignment, you've got to realize that the Moon travels around the Earth in an ellipse. That means it gets closer and further, depending on where it is in its orbit. At its closest point, the Moon gets to 363,104 km (225,622 miles), and at its furthest point, it's 405,696 km (252,088 miles).

This variation can make the size of the Moon noticeably different from full Moon to full Moon. When the Moon is at its closest point, this is called perigee.

How have scientists been able to measure this distance so accurately? When the Apollo astronauts visited the Moon, they left behind some special mirrors that reflect light back towards the Earth. Scientists here on Earth can fire lasers at the Moon, and measure the time it takes to make the trip within the scale of picoseconds. Four of these lunar retro-reflectors are still functional.

In fact, their experiments are so accurate they can measure the distance to the Moon within millimeters.

X37375787

I shook Buzz Aldrin's hand on Monday. Special moment that I will never forget.

JohnnyPearl

If they can land shit on Mars they landed on the Moon.

spacedog

Sputnik rocks

SilentKnight

It's amazing what a 32k of memory in Apollo 11's onboard computer was capable of back in 1969.

In 2002 - a consumer computer required 64mb of memory to run a simulated moon landing.

LiveDose

The older you get the more you realize how much government is full of shit. I don't know, could be real could be fake. Honestly who gives a fuck.

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Landing is real

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it's fake, jesus people...

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JFK

or fake it them selfes ? Its all about getting the funding for the space race, if your competitor is proven or exposed to be full of shit, who are you going to race against then ?
But the landing certainly looked great on TV then

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Doug E

If I read you correctly you are saying either Moscow and Washington were in agreement to compete with each other and fool the world about doing so or you're saying RASA and NASA faked their accomplishments and fooled their own governments for more funding. Both ideas seem pretty ridiculous but then, I'm but an ignorant non-conspiracy theorist.

Ideological domination was a bigger goal for both the US and USSR leadership during the Sputnik and the Moon landing era. If either was proven faked it would have been a huge global propaganda coup for either nation which would have been far more important than speeding up the discovery and development of any projected technology at the time. Regardless, the space race was about more than just international prestige. It was important for the development of better aircraft, missile and surveillance technology and competition for all three of those would have continued on both sides with or without the USSR disproving the moon landing.

In other words, in my uneducated opinion Russia would have had nothing to lose and everything to gain by discrediting the United States' moon landing.

who

This is like something from The Onion!

Quagmire

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tranza

I thinks it's real...at least i'd like it to be...

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Di Vito

Jamie & Adam from the MYTHBUSTERS say it is
personally I don’t believe it, more so because the lack of landings since ! Its said to be about 6 ? Mmmm!!
Pointless anyway who needs all that cheese

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BFT3K

An article posing the same question today...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/0...oax/index.html

BFT3K

NASA Pics Show Apollo Leftovers on Moon...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...tml?tag=stackn

Jack Sparrow

Are we talking about the "human" moonlanding?
Or the species that landed there before us?

StickyGreen

Yea they landed there, but they won't tell you the rest of the story.

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amacontent

Who gives a fuck. True or false has it helped anything here on earth. Think of what better use that money could have been used for.

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JFK

Well, you are doing really good , right up until the last sentence

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2012

I wasn't there. How the fuck do I know, some asshole told me on tv

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papill0n

If you think it was fake seek therapy immediately.

BFT3K

I think we are all in agreement that there are definitely Moon Men that inhabit the moon... that's a given. The debate here is whether or not humans landed there as well.

There is also a rumor that the astronauts found bones on the moon's surface. They are pretty sure the cow didn't make it...

2012

can we move on to current history that matters now. Like the twitter explosion and how it's changing the world ?

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Spieglergirls

Occam's razor

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Matyko

Fake for sure. But anyway: who the fuck cares? Does this have ANY effect on humanity? No.. They better spent that money on medical researches...

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Spieglergirls

Yes it has.

http://www.techbriefs.com/spinoff


Also, plenty of items widely in use have ties to the space program. Here's a sampling:

Global communications and GPS systems: NASA can't take credit for your cell phone or iPod. But it did develop smaller, more lightweight computer systems to put on its spacecraft, helping drive technology in that direction. And experts say we likely wouldn't have our global communications systems, or that GPS mounted on the dash, without NASA.

Enriched baby formula: In the early 1980s, NASA conducted experiments with algae to gauge how it might be used on long space flights involving humans to provide food or oxygen or help with waste disposal. Scientists realized the algae could provide nutritional supplements, like two fatty acids ? DHA and ARA ? previously found only in human milk.

Freeze-dried foods: Although NASA didn't invent the process of freeze-drying food, the agency worked on preserving foods and their nutrients.

Athletic fabrics, equipment and gear: Plenty of sports advances have ties to work done for NASA, from reflective blankets that runners wrap themselves in following marathons to strong, lightweight material in certain golf clubs to cushy padding in some sneakers. Nottingham, U.K.-based Speedo International Ltd. enlisted the help of NASA and others when it wanted to design swimsuits to reduce drag from skin friction in the water. Twenty-five new swimming world records were set during the summer Olympics in Beijing in 2008 ? 23 of those were by athletes wearing LZR Racer swimsuits, the company said.

Cordless tools: Black & Decker created cordless power tools separately from the space program but later manufactured tools for NASA use.




Joe, I know you're a hockey player. So, check these out:

NASA technology aids Hockey Players: http://www.henryfordhealth.org/body.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=46335&action=detail&ref=54 9

NASA technology & Hockey sticks: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2005/ch_3.html

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MediaGuy

You know, I haven't checked the "evidence" in this fake moon landing theory... at all.

But I don't want to believe it's fake.

I would probably have a hard time reading, absorbing and processing the info even if it was 100% factual and evident... because I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

There.

:D

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Scott McD

Who knows? To be honest i don't really care about it anyway...

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2012

I hope they did. Yay number 1

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notime

http://mythbustersresults.com/episod...a-moon-landing







So NASA was on the moon (at some point).
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Cyber Fucker

Nope, that was the most spectacular epic american fail

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