Steriods

[WWC]

Right or Wrong? Really? With all the side affects but the power for money and fame...would you do it?


Oppps spelled it wrong in title lol Steroids ... ;-)

[d-null]

money and fame??

[Pseudonymous]

I am pro steroids. They are great. Lots of things aren't good for you. This one has so many pro's about it, it's ridiculous. Just take a proper amount (dont abuse them), and cycle on and off properly. Let your body regain it's natural state before cycling again.

Whats better?

Typical person who eats fast food once or twice a week, doesn't goto the gym, sits on the computer alot of the day, doesn't watch what he eats, drinks or smokes, doesn't take multivitamins, etc. etc. etc. etc.

or somebody who takes steroids and lives an extremely healthy lifestyle? steroids typically go hand and hand with that.

also, dont drink if youre taking them. a drink here or there won't hurt you but try to keep it to a minimum

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by d-null

money and fame??

Good looking people succeed. I think that's what he's referring to, which is pretty accurate for the most part.

[mikesinner]

some of those female Olympic gymnasts look hot with steroid built bodies so I say let them do what they want but I'd never take them unless it was advised by my doctor.

[cam_girls]

When I was young I had an Arnold Schwarzenegger complex, so I trained my chest mostly for 10 years and took protein shakes every day and could bench 120kg, my pecs were big as, I could balance a glass of water on my chest, but no definition. I really wanted steroids. Probably not worth it though. My doc is giving me some next week for an infection so I'm going to do some training.

Check out the Mr Olympia page, half the contestants are bald.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by cam_girls

When I was young I had an Arnold Schwarzenegger complex, so I trained my chest mostly for 10 years and took protein shakes every day and could bench 120kg, my pecs were big as, I could balance a glass of water on my chest, but no definition. I really wanted steroids. Probably not worth it though. My doc is giving me some next week for an infection so I'm going to do some training.

Check out the Mr Olympia page, half the contestants are bald.

steroids for an infection? something about that doesn't sound right

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

RIP Lyle...

ADG

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by d-null

steroids for an infection? something about that doesn't sound right

Huh? I guess you haven't been really sick much. When I was in a car accident in 2002 (broke my neck and both arms) they were pumping me with deca durabolin the whole time (highly anabolic steroid).

Steroids didn't just appear out of thin air. Doctors use them for a lot of things. Cocaine has medical uses as does alcohol as well.

But I use all 3 for my own personal pleasure.

[Farang]

I've never used steroids and I'm such a sexy peace of a man meat

[Raf1]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I am pro steroids. They are great. Lots of things aren't good for you. This one has so many pro's about it, it's ridiculous. Just take a proper amount (dont abuse them), and cycle on and off properly. Let your body regain it's natural state before cycling again.

Whats better?

Typical person who eats fast food once or twice a week, doesn't goto the gym, sits on the computer alot of the day, doesn't watch what he eats, drinks or smokes, doesn't take multivitamins, etc. etc. etc. etc.

or somebody who takes steroids and lives an extremely healthy lifestyle? steroids typically go hand and hand with that.

also, dont drink if youre taking them. a drink here or there won't hurt you but try to keep it to a minimum

yeah, but it would still be better to do all the same without the use of steroids. Everyone I knew that used them had large muscle losses after stopping, even if they continued to go to the gym. I can stop exercising for a few months and still keep a lot of the muscles on. Besides, there are a lot of great proteins out there that can help with your diet.

[Aquarius]

That shit is so wrong.

[Jon Oso]

I've been in and around the steroid scene for 7 years.

The only people that have massive problems with them are the ones that don't have the ability to take them without side effects. They aren't for everyone, you need a LOT of discipline to take them and you have to be constantly monitoring yourself.

I was a lucky person who did steroids for a few years straight and never had any side effects other than a LITTLE body acne. I've seen other people who abuse them have body parts swell up that shouldn't have (like their foreheads).

I don't agree with them being illegal but I COMPLETELY understand why they are having been around them for so long. They are NOT something to mess with or abuse, but taken responsibly are great.

[Machete_]

People who use roids are weak idiots anyway, so why not let them kill themselfs with the shit if they want to? they are gonna use it no matter if its legal or not. It Illegal here in Denmark, but people still use it.

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

I've been in and around the steroid scene for 7 years.

The only people that have massive problems with them are the ones that don't have the ability to take them without side effects. They aren't for everyone, you need a LOT of discipline to take them and you have to be constantly monitoring yourself.

I was a lucky person who did steroids for a few years straight and never had any side effects other than a LITTLE body acne. I've seen other people who abuse them have body parts swell up that shouldn't have (like their foreheads).

I don't agree with them being illegal but I COMPLETELY understand why they are having been around them for so long. They are NOT something to mess with or abuse, but taken responsibly are great.

reminds me of the simpson episode with the brain tonic

[Dirty Lord]

i really hate strong people
skinny, a little chubby or just normal > ALL

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by KrisH

People who use roids are weak idiots anyway, so why not let them kill themselfs with the shit if they want to? they are gonna use it no matter if its legal or not. It Illegal here in Denmark, but people still use it.

yeah that's it. There are no medical reasons for it what-so-ever, doesn't help asthma or help rebuild muscles after otherwise crippling accidents. We are all weak idiots.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

yeah that's it. There are no medical reasons for it what-so-ever, doesn't help asthma or help rebuild muscles after otherwise crippling accidents. We are all weak idiots.

There is a use for it - sure, but people who use it over a long period of time just to get in shape, have absolutely NOTHING to do with using it as a part of a medical treatment, to cure health issues.

But since you used it for just that, I really dident expect you to agree with that.

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by KrisH

There is a use for it - sure, but people who use it over a long period of time just to get in shape, have absolutely NOTHING to do with using it as a part of a medical treatment, to cure health issues.

But since you used it for just that, I really dident expect you to agree with that.

Is it hurting you that I've used it and so have many other people? Do you see steroid users going out killing people to get their fix? I'd say 99% of the people I know that use it are well rounded, productive members of society with good jobs, lives, families etc. It's people like you that make people who use steroids out to be "typical" drug users like people who do heroin or meth.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Is it hurting you that I've used it and so have many other people? Do you see steroid users going out killing people to get their fix? I'd say 99% of the people I know that use it are well rounded, productive members of society with good jobs, lives, families etc. It's people like you that make people who use steroids out to be "typical" drug users like people who do heroin or meth.

What part of "People who use roids are weak idiots anyway, so why not let them kill themselfs with the shit if they want to?" were your roidbrain not able to understand?

I think its great those idiots use it, so they can die faster and not breed as much

[Pleasurepays]

I <3 steroids

there is a huge difference between use and abuse and the wide spectrum of drugs and their proper use, which are legally called "steroids"

[Machete_]

And I feel the same about any other drugs out there. Let people use it as much as they want - I dont give a fuck - the sooner they OD, the better. Just make it illegal to distibute it, to keep it off the supermarket shelves. But let people use it as much as they want

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by KrisH

What part of "People who use roids are weak idiots anyway, so why not let them kill themselfs with the shit if they want to?" were your roidbrain not able to understand?

I think its great those idiots use it, so they can die faster and not breed as much

you are very ignorant on the subject. you know nothing about what you're talking about. steroids are prescribed daily for a vast range of medical conditions from skin rashes to stunted growth or whatever. there is a difference between "use" and "abuse" and you are talking about myth and hype.

can you kill yourself with a lot of various steroids? sure. you can kill yourself with alcohol, cigarettes or a cheeseburger and people do every single day all over the world. however, there is no good use for cigarettes or health benefit. there is no health benefit for vodka. many steroids, used wisely, have massive health benefits and have a tremendous positive impact on quality of life.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

I've been in and around the steroid scene for 7 years.

The only people that have massive problems with them are the ones that don't have the ability to take them without side effects. They aren't for everyone, you need a LOT of discipline to take them and you have to be constantly monitoring yourself.

I was a lucky person who did steroids for a few years straight and never had any side effects other than a LITTLE body acne. I've seen other people who abuse them have body parts swell up that shouldn't have (like their foreheads).

I don't agree with them being illegal but I COMPLETELY understand why they are having been around them for so long. They are NOT something to mess with or abuse, but taken responsibly are great.

How often did you get checked by a dr...just wondering

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

yeah that's it. There are no medical reasons for it what-so-ever, doesn't help asthma or help rebuild muscles after otherwise crippling accidents. We are all weak idiots.

no offense man but coming from a family of people who BB's and one who lifts myself your ignorant. Do you know the doses they give these people? Its about 1/8th of what you would take to put your body into a more anabolic state. steroids for asthma are different than testosterone and deca, tren, etc. and for those who need it after accidents, in the RARE case where they do give them steroids, its a LOW LOW LOW dose. Im not saying i disagree with you that they should be illegal or whatever, but dont spread information on a topic you dont kno much about. DO you know what PCT is?

Edit : Its pretty ammusing all you guys are saying all the proside for steroids but no1 mentioned how HIGH your BP or bad cholesterol can sky rocket, or the damage that a 17aa- oral steroid has on the liver.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you are very ignorant on the subject. you know nothing about what you're talking about. steroids are prescribed daily for a vast range of medical conditions from skin rashes to stunted growth or whatever. there is a difference between "use" and "abuse" and you are talking about myth and hype.

can you kill yourself with a lot of various steroids? sure. you can kill yourself with alcohol, cigarettes or a cheeseburger and people do every single day all over the world. however, there is no good use for cigarettes or health benefit. there is no health benefit for vodka. many steroids, used wisely, have massive health benefits and have a tremendous positive impact on quality of life.

no im not ignorant. You are just advocating the use of Steriods because that is what you belive is right, just like the rest of the people that share your view have build up these stories about how "healthy" it can be to use... belive in it if you want - I dont care - you are in your full right to do so.

People are free to use it as much as they want - please go ahead and use it for what ever reason you want. I dont see why you are trying so hard to seek my approval of what you are doing. It's your body and you can fuck it up as much as you want to.

People like you that WANT to belive its healthy, will belive it no matter what everyone else tell you. No matter what studies PROVE, not matter how many athlets die of the sideeffects.. you will belive it no matter what.

And im fine with it. Just like any other drug-user, I dont have any problem with them slowly killing themself. The sooner the better.

- I have had whats called "Scheuermann's kyphosis" since I was in 8th grade, and therefor been to a fitnesscenter every week for the last 20 years, making the same rutine workout to build mucles around my spine, to slow the brakdown of the back.
- I have seen people shoot up there
- I have seen guys shoot it in to themself at dinnertables when I went to PilotSchool in Florida
- I have had a close friend in the Marine die because of Roids.
- When I went through the kemo therapy, I saw people use Roids after the treatment to build up bodymass again
- I was offered Roids myself after they removed 3 Lymph node in my body, and about 1/4 of flesh. The doctor told me about the trackrecords they had with the treatment and the sideeffects I already knew about, and I turned it down.

I know plenty about Roids and its effects. And I still dont want them to be illegal, because I know people will get them no matter if they are legal or not. People should deside for themself, but dont expect me to agree with you that its "healty" if dont right.

Its NEVER healty - never. You can minimise the damage by using them smart - but "healthy" is not something you can EVER call it.

Are there other things there are more dangerous? sure, but that is not what we are talking about here.

The topic is "are Roids Right or Wrong" - and I expressed my view, and think you should have the freedom to deside for yourself without criminalized by the system

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by KrisH

no im not ignorant. You are just advocating the use of Steriods because that is what you belive is right, just like the rest of the people that share your view have build up these stories about how "healthy" it can be to use... belive in it if you want - I dont care - you are in your full right to do so.

you have NO clue what you're talking about and i'm not going to bang my head against the wall for a few rounds just to make that point.


its not an opinion that you can responsibly use testosterone, hgh and other drugs to improve hormonal balances and restore diminished hormone levels to healthier levels. nor is it my opinion that there are tremendous health benefits from doing so.

when's the last time you went to the doctor to get full blood work done or use hgh or testosterone or deca while monitoring your blood work?

my last blood test was last week.

here is my normal tests every 6 months:

402 Dhea Sulfate
470 Fsh
615 Lh
839 Igf-I
866 T4, Free
899 Tsh, 3rd Generation
5463 Urinalysis, Complete
6399 Cbc (Includes Diff/Plt)
7600 Lipid Panel
10124 Cardio Crp(R)
10231 Comprehensive Metabolic Panel W/Egfr
30740 Sex Hormone Binding Globulin
31348 Psa (Free And Total)
31789 Homocysteine, Cardiovascular
34429 T3, Free
Patient Copy Page 1 of 2
https://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/ss...pp=EREQ_SSL&gu... 7/24/2009
36169 Estradiol, Free, Lc/Ms/Ms
36170 Testosterone, Free

i know where i stand health wise in every respect and i know EXACTLY how HGH, test cyp and other drugs affect my health.... do you?

...of course not. you're just making shit up as you go based on myth and hype.

[Pleasurepays]

and btw.... seeing jackasses shoot up in a gym is hardly a good basis for an opinion anymore than sitting in a dive bar full of drunks is going to teach you about wine.

don't forget that you are also talking to people who are actually educated on the subject and who spend much more time in the same gyms as you do... if thats the baseline for being "right"

[Choopa Phil]

i agree on some points but others not so much, regardless you dont know where your getting your gear from or who TRULY makes it unless you do it yourself. That within itself is enough to keep my away from that crap, i trained hard for 2 years without steroids. Lets see some pics of you steroid users body and use mine for comparison...show me whacha got...

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Typical person who eats fast food once or twice a week.

Gets more juiced, pumped up on happy foods, from all the chicken/beef Hormones.

It's all about moderation.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Raf1

yeah, but it would still be better to do all the same without the use of steroids. Everyone I knew that used them had large muscle losses after stopping, even if they continued to go to the gym. I can stop exercising for a few months and still keep a lot of the muscles on. Besides, there are a lot of great proteins out there that can help with your diet.

Yes that is true. You can always do something better. You have to draw a line somewhere though. For hard gainers, to gain without the use of extra testosterone, they have to consume anywhere between 4000-6000 calories. Do you know how much dedication, time and money that takes? It's almost a full time job. You can't miss a meal. You can't go out after work, nope. You got to make sure you go home and make a full specialized meal for yourself, etc.-- it gets ridiculous.

Plus there are people who don't have the time, they live a busy lifestyle. They need that extra help.

[Choopa Phil]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Yes that is true. You can always do something better. You have to draw a line somewhere though. For hard gainers, to gain without the use of extra testosterone, they have to consume anywhere between 4000-6000 calories. Do you know how much dedication, time and money that takes? It's almost a full time job. You can't miss a meal. You can't go out after work, nope. You got to make sure you go home and make a full specialized meal for yourself, etc.-- it gets ridiculous.

Plus there are people who don't have the time, they live a busy lifestyle. They need that extra help.

steroids arent "extra help" for those who dont eat enough...if youre not getting big naturally youre not going to get big on steroids. You still need to eat, sleep and train even harder than before. Yes, eating a ton is like a full time job...im proof of that pudding. I also can say with my head high i look better than 98% of the uneducated steroid users out there. and when i say steroids this is not limited to illegal ones. there are plenty of stuff in the legal market that converts in the liver to a bioavailable hormone.

[Deesnuts]

fuck no i like my nards

[Choopa Phil]

proof is in the pictures, lets see what you guys look like, lets see if you really "needed" steroids or if you were just impatient

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by DLXphil

steroids arent "extra help" for those who dont eat enough...if youre not getting big naturally youre not going to get big on steroids. You still need to eat, sleep and train even harder than before. Yes, eating a ton is like a full time job...im proof of that pudding. I also can say with my head high i look better than 98% of the uneducated steroid users out there. and when i say steroids this is not limited to illegal ones. there are plenty of stuff in the legal market that converts in the liver to a bioavailable hormone.

Umm actually yes they are. On steroids, the body will use the calories it takes in more efficiently. You'd aren't a naturally super thin person are you? lol or else you'd know this.

And yes, like you said, you still have to eat a ton and work out just as hard.

It takes 5000+ calories and crazy working out to gain naturally for myself. It takes 2500-3000 calories to gain muscle on steroids. So don't tell me it's not extra help.

To gain naturally, it's can be a full time commitment, i'm talking about waking up in the middle of the night to get in that extra weight gain shake. It gets exhausting.

Steroids, you can take a day off here or there without seeing your body shrink. lol

Im not here saying you can do nothing. But you are dillusional if you don't think they are aren't extra help and that you don't quite need as many calories as if you were all natural.

And i'm sure you'll argue but every person is different and I can tell you, for people who are 6'1+ and 150 naturally. That's typically how it works. Their body doesn't use the calories quite as efficiently.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by DLXphil

proof is in the pictures, lets see what you guys look like, lets see if you really "needed" steroids or if you were just impatient

Who cares if somebody 'needed' them or not. To each their own. Just dont' abuse them.

Lots worse things for you.

Being 23 myself, everyone I know who takes steroids quites binge drinking. Do you know what alcohol does to your system? when you get shitfaced every fri/sat? and you're still drunk sunday. lol

Then they go on to take 1ml twice a week and cycle on for 6 weeks and work out everyday, run, eat healthy. Pfft good for them. Gets them into the habit of living a healthy lifestyle, then it's simply losing the crutch.

[Choopa Phil]

your body will take all if not most its calories since your in an anabolic state almost 100% of the time, i understand that. I was 125 2 1/2 years ago, extreme ectomorph. i am now 175, heaviest 182. it didnt take me 5K cals, but pretty damn close to get where i was. Im talking cooking 8-10 pounds of chicken/steak in the begininig of the week to gain weight. oats in my shakes, 900 cals a shake 3 times a day plus food. i know what its like to work out and work out hard.
"It takes 5000+ calories and crazy working out to gain naturally for myself. It takes 2500-3000 calories to gain muscle on steroids. So don't tell me it's not extra help."
this statement alone makes me realize you dont know a damn thing about how steroids work in the human body. if your body is in a state of anabolism you need MORE calories just to MAINTAIN not less. If you cycle you should increase your cals by a minimum of 400 just to make up for the increase in your metabolism. Pick up some literature on steroids and the mechanisms in which they work in the body, it will make you look alot less uneducated on this subject. like i said post some pics of your steroid using self and ill post pics my me and well see who looks better. also what was your PCT like with these cycles you did and what compounds did you use?

Edit - LOL @ cycling for 6 weeks...it takes test a minimum 3-4 weeks to "kick in" why would u cut a cycle short at only 6 weeks when all testosterone cycles should be run minium 10 weeks. are you saying its ok to do a cycle without a testosterone base?

"Being 23 myself, everyone I know who takes steroids quites binge drinking. Do you know what alcohol does to your system? when you get shitfaced every fri/sat? and you're still drunk sunday. lol"

So instead of drinking you pick up roids...smart. you shouldnt be binge drinking if your goal is to be in shape anyways, everything you say about this being healthy is directly contradicted by your everyday habits. stop using roids as a crutch, because all this is, is a crutch of the uncommited...yourself

[Jim_Gunn]

Abusing steroids in large doses to grow muscle can indeed be dangerous, especially if you don't know what you are doing or how to do post-cycle therapy. But some steroids are actually legally available by prescription to treat various ailments including hypogonadism related to aging. One can get legally prescribed testosterone for example, for a pretty reasonable price. Frankly, more people should be on them, under a doctor's supervision and with regular bloodwork to improve their lives. In the near term future, I believe that hormone replacement therapy for people past the early prime years of their lives will be as common as blood pressure medication for people that care about their health.

[Porn Grounds]

Why does anyone need PCT regimen? ...do they even come off? haha

There is some stuff I agree with here. I wouldn't say steroids are 'healthy' by any means. They do hold some value if used properly. They can help people that have whacked levels.

...And yes I agree with DLX, you need more calories not less while on. You want to stuff as much in you as possible! Each time you eat you could possibly be sweating out that entire meal your metabolism is so jacked haha ;)

[Choopa Phil]

^ not only that but the guy is probably gaining 12 pounds of water and glycogen and thinks hes got jacked fibras. once again bro-science takes over...everyone wants to believe what their gym buddy says or does. but this guy is the only genetic freak who eats less yet gains more on steroids, cut me a break

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by DLXphil

"Being 23 myself, everyone I know who takes steroids quites binge drinking. Do you know what alcohol does to your system? when you get shitfaced every fri/sat? and you're still drunk sunday. lol"

So instead of drinking you pick up roids...smart. you shouldnt be binge drinking if your goal is to be in shape anyways, everything you say about this being healthy is directly contradicted by your everyday habits. stop using roids as a crutch, because all this is, is a crutch of the uncommited...yourself

I never said these were my practices, did i? Youre a tool. And instead of drinking, they start working out, eating healthy, and began a full healthy lifestyle using steroids in moderation, yes i would actually say that's healthier for you. And if you didn't read that correctly, i said AND THEN they stopped drinking and started working out and taking steroids.

Stop arguing points, it's been proven by myself. You can say what you want. I'm not just throwing numbers around. I've seen people eat exactly the same, with the same routine, gain 10-20lbs on steroids. Steroids are help. When you're not on steroids, the calories can simlpy not be used. Even with the same routine. So yes, you do not need as many calories to gain weight. I'm not saying, what you should or should not do, or 'for best results'.

And yes, sorry, it's 10-12 weeks.

Originally Posted by DLXphil

like i said post some pics of your steroid using self and ill post pics my me and well see who looks better. also what was your PCT like with these cycles you did and what compounds did you use?

Really, are you actually saying that? lol genetics play the biggest role in how you look buddy.

Originally Posted by DLXphil

also what was your PCT like with these cycles you did and what compounds did you use?

What are you trying to argue, this is getting a bit off the topic of, needing less calories. this makes me think that you are arguing for the sake of arguing

Anyway, im not here to argue about this. I was simply saying, I am pro steroids when used in moderation. Considering how many people i've seen using them compared to peoples lifestyles not using them. I'd rather someone do that, if it were up to me. You can always be judgemental and say, you should be doing it this way and that way. But not everyone does everything correctly, but if it's better than the alternative, good for them. That's why i said, then it's a matter of losing the crutch. What you for whatever reason accused me of doing.

I don't even use them so you look like an idiot for assuming. I did 4 years ago.

[C-Luv]

No, I don't need to do steroids. lol

[Pseudonymous]

So both of you are telling me a hard gainer who can't gain weight with 4000 calories can't gain on steroids eating 4000 calories. LOL That's funny

Starting to look like you're trying to battle to see who knows more about steroids. Doesn't change the fact of the original argument.

[rhon23]

I hate steroids more than life itself. Every time I get perscribed predazone I cry. They do evil things to the body and make me nausiated.

[Porn Grounds]

They can gain weight..but shooting yourself with a crapload of roids isn't going to net you any good wight. You will gain 10-25 lbs...of water weight mostly. You will just bloat the fuck up. This does very bad things to your tendons, bones and muscles. So healthy it is not.

Not only that but if your blood levels aren't checked you could be fucking up a lot of other things that you just don't realize.

Oh and yes steroids do help metabolize proteins and carbs better...or really more efficient But not to the point to make you super human that you can eat less.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Porn Grounds

They can gain weight..but shooting yourself with a crapload of roids isn't going to net you any good wight. You will gain 10-25 lbs...of water weight mostly. You will just bloat the fuck up. This does very bad things to your tendons, bones and muscles. So healthy it is not.

Not only that but if your blood levels aren't checked you could be fucking up a lot of other things that you just don't realize.

Oh and yes steroids do help metabolize proteins and carbs better...or really more efficient But not to the point to make you super human that you can eat less.

Fair enough, we'll leave it at that. Agree to disagree. lol i'm not going to go into posting the before and after pictures of friends of mine who didn't change a thing about their diet. I can assure you, it's not water weight. And I disagree about it being very unhealthy not to up your calories if you're taking in enough. You don't metabolize everything. Hard gainers especially have a higher percentage of calories they dont metabolize and when you're taking test. it assures that those calories are metabolized so you don't have to eat as much to gain a lb

[PlugRush Sascha]

I don't have an issue with steroid use or abuse for that matter. I'm all for letting people do whatever they want to themselves, even if it means they end up dead. If someone wants to drink themselves to death, let them. I'm against giving people that destroy their bodies any type of free government-sponsored medical aid though. If someone smokes and gets some type of cancer, I would say let them rot. Same goes for people who drink, abuse steroids, etc.

Unless you are being monitored by a physician and getting top quality, clean steroids, there is no question that you're putting yourself at risk by taking them. If you take steroids you got from some guy at the gym, you're an idiot and deserve to die from the potential results.

As for me, I won't be taking steroids any time soon. I lift weights 4 days a week, don't drink very often, don't smoke and eat right 90% of the time. The only supplement I take is protein powder. I don't believe steroids are needed to sustain a decent physique until you're older (I'm currently 24). This, of course, is for recreational lifters.

Pro bodybuilders, competitive olympic lifters, competitive powerlifters, etc. all tend to take steroids if they want to compete at the highest level. It's obviously not possible to compete with someone with prime genetics on steroids as a natural lifter, even if you have the exact same genetics.

Steroids are a huge crutch for athletes, especially strength athletes and bodybuilders. However, I don't have any aspirations to be a professional athlete. I simply like to lift weights to relieve stress and look better. I think up to a certain age this is easily possible without steroids.

I would simply like to leave the choice up the individual when it comes to anything that doesn't harm anyone else. If you want to smoke, go for it but don't do it in my face. If you want to drink, go for it but don't go driving and running people over afterwards. If you want to take steroids, go for it but don't expect medical attention when you take too much and your kidneys and liver are damaged or you have high blood pressure. Why should anyone tell you what to do? You have to make a decision for yourself about how you want to live. I don't see us stopping obese people from going to McDonald's multiple times daily so they can eat themselves to death.

[Cyber Fucker]

I've never used it and I am not going to

[d-null]

personal use and possession should be legal, it is a personal choice

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ktj4l

I don't have an issue with steroid use or abuse for that matter. I'm all for letting people do whatever they want to themselves, even if it means they end up dead. If someone wants to drink themselves to death, let them. I'm against giving people that destroy their bodies any type of free government-sponsored medical aid though. If someone smokes and gets some type of cancer, I would say let them rot. Same goes for people who drink, abuse steroids, etc.

Unless you are being monitored by a physician and getting top quality, clean steroids, there is no question that you're putting yourself at risk by taking them. If you take steroids you got from some guy at the gym, you're an idiot and deserve to die from the potential results.

As for me, I won't be taking steroids any time soon. I lift weights 4 days a week, don't drink very often, don't smoke and eat right 90% of the time. The only supplement I take is protein powder. I don't believe steroids are needed to sustain a decent physique until you're older (I'm currently 24). This, of course, is for recreational lifters.

Pro bodybuilders, competitive olympic lifters, competitive powerlifters, etc. all tend to take steroids if they want to compete at the highest level. It's obviously not possible to compete with someone with prime genetics on steroids as a natural lifter, even if you have the exact same genetics.

Steroids are a huge crutch for athletes, especially strength athletes and bodybuilders. However, I don't have any aspirations to be a professional athlete. I simply like to lift weights to relieve stress and look better. I think up to a certain age this is easily possible without steroids.

I would simply like to leave the choice up the individual when it comes to anything that doesn't harm anyone else. If you want to smoke, go for it but don't do it in my face. If you want to drink, go for it but don't go driving and running people over afterwards. If you want to take steroids, go for it but don't expect medical attention when you take too much and your kidneys and liver are damaged or you have high blood pressure. Why should anyone tell you what to do? You have to make a decision for yourself about how you want to live. I don't see us stopping obese people from going to McDonald's multiple times daily so they can eat themselves to death.

Seriously, till you said you were 24, I mentally had your age much higher. Excellent post.