I am sick of all the damn Mike Vick news.

[»Rob Content«]

They are treating him like he is the best player to ever play the game.

The updates from Tony Dungy on NFL.com and ESPN.com every day was a bit much. Like does there really need to be a full on long fucking story about "how mike vick will have a long road to being accepted"

No fucking shit, he killed dogs, smashed their heads into the ground, and went to jail.

Of course it's a long road.

He's on a team now, leave it alone really.

How about we do some stories about the people doing positive in the nfl?

[smutnut]

It's not like he committed homicide, or rape, or held a gun to a girl's head while jacked on cocaine.

Hold it, if he had done that, he wouldn't have had all these problems

[hypedough]

He didn't kill someone while driving drunk at least. Vick blew as a QB, 20 TDs 18 INTs in his last full season. People just want to see if he'll play HB or TE or WR.

[will76]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

They are treating him like he is the best player to ever play the game.

The updates from Tony Dungy on NFL.com and ESPN.com every day was a bit much. Like does there really need to be a full on long fucking story about "how mike vick will have a long road to being accepted"

No fucking shit, he killed dogs, smashed their heads into the ground, and went to jail.

Of course it's a long road.

He's on a team now, leave it alone really.

How about we do some stories about the people doing positive in the nfl?

He was a #1 overall draft pick and the highest paid NFL player at one time. He also went into GB and beat the packers in January playoffs.

The media are whores. I'm picking him 1st round of the FF draft

[Fletch XXX]

any man that can drown a dog for underperforming, you gotta admit is a cold blooded killer, you dont fix that type of person.

however he DID serve his time. drowning dogs is fucking sick though

[J. Falcon]

Personally, I don't think he should have been allowed back into the league. An ex con is an ex con, they should draw the line somewhere.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Personally, I don't think he should have been allowed back into the league. An ex con is an ex con, they should draw the line somewhere.

they let people with criminal past in the military, police, and firefighters, why not NFL? LOL

[ottyhotties]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

any man that can drown a dog for underperforming, you gotta admit is a cold blooded killer, you dont fix that type of person.

however he DID serve his time. drowning dogs is fucking sick though

I can only imagine what you must think about the koreans.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by ottyhotties

I can only imagine what you must think about the koreans.

I grew up hunting animals, Ive skinned deers, rabbits, pigs, you name it ive gutted it.

However, big difference between killing something for food and holding it under water, or putting muzzle on animal and tieing it up so it cant swim and dunking it under water until it dies from your bare hands.

Again, not going on anti-Vick rampage, I just happen to think once a person is capable of killing animals like that, you dont just "magically fix" that type of person. Something deeper and darker at work there.

holding a barking animal under water is pretty brutal. Especially after its face is ripped up and bloody from fighting and because he lost the fight you drown him, pretty sick shit.

[iTouch!]

um you cant stand hearing about it so you make a topic of it to hear more about it ok

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I grew up hunting animals, Ive skinned deers, rabbits, pigs, you name it ive gutted it.

However, big difference between killing something for food and holding it under water, or putting muzzle on animal and tieing it up so it cant swim and dunking it under water until it dies from your bare hands.

Again, not going on anti-Vick rampage, I just happen to think once a person is capable of killing animals like that, you dont just "magically fix" that type of person. Something deeper and darker at work there.

holding a barking animal under water is pretty brutal. Especially after its face is ripped up and bloody from fighting and because he lost the fight you drown him, pretty sick shit.

Yeah he was about to lose all his houses, cars and everything else.

So he tossed out the "I found god" shit and he's all better.

Him playing in the NFL or not I don't care soo much about, more so I think giving him soo much fucking news when a lot of kids look up to athletes is just wrong.

Why not give press to the people helping out?

[HandballJim]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

they let people with criminal past in the military, police, and firefighters, why not NFL? LOL

I think your wrong, here in NY you cannot get on the police force with anything on your record...it needs to be spotless. These jobs have so many applicants here that they are looking for any reason to disqualify you. In fact many on the FDNY can excel into any career but choose to risk their lives for others. I think you need to score about 95% to get close to getting on a list to be considered.

Vick was a flop, these days if you don't win super bowls your nobody. I think he should have received more jail time for killing dogs and cats, you do know that kittens are used as bait for fighting pit bulls. and since these animals are domesticated in our society for years...the next step for him would be violence towards humans.

[Mr. Billy]

Yeah I really would not enjoy watching him knowing he has the capacity for willful animal cruelty. Not to mention the types of dudes he would willingly associate with to run that sport.

Not a great role model, though they will try to make a big redemption story out of it.

[brassmonkey]

1st strike hes black and he killed mans best friend 2nd strike 3rd strike hes black gave white folkz a reason 2 bitch and complain

[Alky]

Originally Posted by will76

He was a #1 overall draft pick and the highest paid NFL player at one time. He also went into GB and beat the packers in January playoffs.

The media are whores. I'm picking him 1st round of the FF draft

first round??? did they even say how long he's suspended for? even if he isn't suspended for ANY games, I'm not sure he is worth a 1st round pick.

[Barefootsies]

..and to think....

some of the people in this thread believe in the invisible man in the sky, and mass organized religion... ya know..... forgiveness, turn the other cheek, and all that other bull shit you claim to follow and preach in your Jewish book of fables?

Gotta love the Hippocrates.

[dynastoned]

Originally Posted by hypedough

He didn't kill someone while driving drunk at least. Vick blew as a QB, 20 TDs 18 INTs in his last full season. People just want to see if he'll play HB or TE or WR.

correction 20 td's 13 ints

but thats besides the point. his passing stats don't tell the full story. considering he rushed for over a thousand yards that season as well. he is by far the most dynamic and explosive player to touch a football in a long time.

im glad hes back and wish him nothing but the best.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

[skeetybird]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

How about we do some stories about the people doing positive in the nfl?

Just google "NFL steroid tests" and you should get a lot of stories!

[Mr. Billy]

It has nothing to do with the fact that he is black. It is what he likes to do in his spare time that is the problem.

Besides I like plenty of gansta rappazzzzz so u know that's not the problem.

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

..and to think....

some of the people in this thread believe in the invisible man in the sky, and mass organized religion... ya know..... forgiveness, turn the other cheek, and all that other bull shit you claim to follow and preach in your Jewish book of fables?

Gotta love the Hippocrates.

pretty sure forgiveness is part of most religions.... on that note i do not forgive vick, i think he's an asshole.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Alky

pretty sure forgiveness is part of most religions....

In theory only. Not in practice.

Most religious whack jobs I know are not forgiving at all, nor believe in forgiving the convicted once a person has served their time. You see a lot of them in these threads, and on this Vick subject alone.

Typically they think criminals deserve a life long sentence, a Scarlett letter, or should be warehoused for their life time for their crimes. Ridiculous.

He served his time. Let the man get on with his life.

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

In theory only. Not in practice.

Most religious whack jobs I know are not forgiving at all, nor believe in forgiving the convicted once a person has served their time. You see a lot of them in these threads, and on this Vick subject alone.

Typically they think criminals deserve a life long sentence, a Scarlett letter, or should be warehoused for their life time for their crimes. Ridiculous.

He served his time. Let the man get on with his life.

So once he serves his time all is forgotten then?

So if you sued me for something business related, I lose and pay... all is forgotten?

[Mr. Billy]

I guess you're right. As long as the NFL applies the standards to him fairly in deciding to let him play and promoting him into peoples living rooms on a weekly basis.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Alky

So once he serves his time all is forgotten then?

So if you sued me for something business related, I lose and pay... all is forgotten?

Not 'forgotten' sport. We were talking about forgiveness.

In your example, you lose, convicted, paid the fine, your time, whatever...

justice is served in accordance with the law of the land.

Whether you think it is fair, or not, is irrelevant.

It's the law. Get over it.

[Loch]

I dident read this thread but i think black is beautifull !!!

[Boozer]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

any man that can drown a dog for underperforming, you gotta admit is a cold blooded killer, you dont fix that type of person.

however he DID serve his time. drowning dogs is fucking sick though

we agree on too much...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Boozer

we agree on too much...

So true.

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

however he DID serve his time.

[Loch]

well that onw is easy `i hope`

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Not 'forgotten' sport. We were talking about forgiveness.

In your example, you lose, convicted, paid the fine, your time, whatever...

justice is served in accordance with the law of the land.

Whether you think it is fair, or not, is irrelevant.

It's the law. Get over it.

but you are saying people aren't religious because they are still crying about vick. i didn't realize that him serving his time also coincides with when people should forgive him. my bad, sport.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Alky

but you are saying people aren't religious because they are still crying about vick. i didn't realize that him serving his time also coincides with when people should forgive him. my bad, sport.

Sorry ace....

My point was a lot of people who believe in the invisible man and his son, Jewish book of fables, or mass organized religion and claim to follow the preaching to turn the other cheek, forgiveness, confession, and whatever in theory rarely practice it. They also tend to be the same crowd who can't forgive once people have served their time.

That was the point.

If people were as passionate about their fellow human beings as they are about some fucking animal(s) then the world would be a better place.

[DateDoc]

How many games into the season until Vick replaces McNabb? I'll go with 8.

[Mr. Billy]

I guess what I'm saying is that I have no problem with forgiveness. I am also not a judgemental person by nature. However you cannot argue the fact that with some crimes comes a change in status and privilege after time is served. You will not likely be given a job handling cash if you are convicted of a financial crime ect.

The major sports franchises in this and many countries hold themselves up as examples to the citizens of the countries and the cities they play for. Thus it would not be unusual to expect them to exercise higher standards of conduct for individuals who are allowed to make large sums of money playing for them. So does he just go get a job as a clerk now and try to make a living, or does he retain his privileged status and continue to make the big bucks.

Would you expect to keep your job if you behaved in such a manner?

[Alky]

lol @ ace & sport.

pretty sure you already know that most people take names like those as you talking down to them.


off to bed, but good luck with your pro-vick views. afterall he's a good guy because he spent some time in jail for killing some meaningless dogs.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

I guess what I'm saying is that I have no problem with forgiveness. I am also not a judgemental person by nature. However you cannot argue the fact that with some crimes comes a change in status and privilege after time is served. You will not likely be given a job handling cash if you are convicted of a financial crime ect.

The major sports franchises in this and many countries hold themselves up as examples to the citizens of the countries and the cities they play for. Thus it would not be unusual to expect them to exercise higher standards of conduct for individuals who are allowed to make large sums of money playing for them. So does he just go get a job as a clerk now and try to make a living, or does he retain his privileged status and continue to make the big bucks.

Would you expect to keep your job if you behaved in such a manner?

We are not talking about financial crimes, nor rape, where statistics showing you will probably do it again. We are talking about killing, and torturing some animals.

He served his time. Lots millions. Lot years of his life. He served his time based on the laws of the land for such crimes and based on the finding of the court.

If you hold up celebrities like Britney Spears, and sports figures like Mike Tyson, among other athletes and public figures as 'role models' for yourself and your children. That is your first problem right there.

That fact alone has been proven annually for countless years. Celebs are poor role models.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Alky

afterall he's a good guy because he spent some time in jail for killing some meaningless dogs.

I could give a shit less about Vick. Just putting this bull shit into a realistic perspective.

[Mr. Billy]

Anyway, I probably would like Michael Vick and will probably enjoy watching him play. I really do not begrudge him in particular. It was kind of ugly behavior, but people fuck up and people grow and change.

It's just that we have seen quite a few incidents of funny behavior in the sporting world over the years and I think these guys should realize the privilege opportunity that belongs to them.

[Mr. Billy]

Originally Posted by Alky

lol @ ace & sport.

pretty sure you already know that most people take names like those as you talking down to them.

I can't speak for Barefootsies, but I assume they are just friendly nic names with no harm intended.

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I could give a shit less about Vick. Just putting this bull shit into a realistic perspective.

okay you sucked me back into the convo.

my only argument to that is that playing in the nfl is a right earned. after all it's an elite organization.

personally i don't think vick should have been allowed back into the nfl. but the problem lies where do you draw the line criminally as to who is allowed back for certain crimes and who isn't.

it's just shit like this that bothers me:


looks like a changed man to me!

[Alky]

Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

I can't speak for Barefootsies, but I assume they are just friendly nic names with no harm intended.

it's fine, i was just stating my opinion. i didn't get my internet feelings hurt.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

I really do not begrudge him in particular. It was kind of ugly behavior, but people fuck up and people grow and change.

Agreed.

I have owned plenty of animals, and have two running around here annoying me right now as I type this.

I would never choke, drown, or try and intentionally hurt them for my own sick amusement. I do not like dogs, but I do not shoot them when they wonder on to my property. When an animal runs out in front of me, I do try and brake or swerve if realistically possible.

I do not agree with what he did to some mangy dogs. Nor would I agree if he did it to some cats. The point is, he did what he did. Was caught. Punished. Lost some shit. Served his time based on the law.

He does not need to serve a life long sentence for poor judgment.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

I can't speak for Barefootsies, but I assume they are just friendly nic names with no harm intended.

Correct hoss.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Alky

looks like a changed man to me!

He found the Jewish book of fables, and invisible man in the sky.

[dynastoned]

Originally Posted by Alky

it's just shit like this that bothers me:


looks like a changed man to me!

whats wrong with that video?

he wasn't doing anything inappropriate... hes a free man he can let loose again.

[smutnut]

Anyway, I can see not putting him on the Wheaties box if his team wins the Superbowl, but not letting him back in the nfl, come on... I mean some special interest groups have just a little too much power.

I mean most dog fighters, don't actually hate dogs (in fact it's just the opposite) and don't understand they are being cruel and unusual. Instead of trying to straighten him out mentally, these animal lovers (probably more than we think) try and fuck up his entire life. I would hate all these mother fuckers and try to find every way I could to fuck them back if it were me.

[Mr. Cool Ice]

Save the dogs, drown a stupid negro.

[brassmonkey]

i think its funny well not really funny that here in America people pick and choose which animals have rights and are protected.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by HandballJim

I think your wrong, here in NY you cannot get on the police force with anything on your record...it needs to be spotless.

Not everywhere, every state is different. Things like this are left to the department hiring them,... certain things will stop you from becoming a PO, such as previous arrest for drugs, domestic abuse, etc... but if you think you cannot become a cop becauuse you once did something wrong, you are mistaken. However, not sure about where you are, but do some google searches and youll see you can definitely become a cop if you have been in trouble with law before.

Felonies will bar you from becoming a cop, but not all types of criminal activity.

Heres just one quic article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...iminal-records

"More than 1,000 serving police have criminal convictions ranging from assault to burglary, according to figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act."