This one should make even an Obama Lover a Hater

[onwebcam]

Well if you're into this here web thingy and like your privacy anyway

White House Still Trying To Get Information On Citizens

The National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) has discovered a secret White House project to harvest personal data from social networking websites like facebook and twitter.

The White House office of New Media has sent out a request for proposals from technology vendors to develop and run the project. According to the proposal request, the information to be captured includes comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video.

The targeted sites include Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, YouTube, Flickr and others -- any space where the White House "maintains a presence." The Proposal requests a bid covers allowing this project to last eight years.

In all fairness if you read the PDF of the solicitation, it speaks of the project as a way to to comply with the Presidential Records Act. But then there are the frightening parts especially for this administration which promises to be the most transparent in history. The disturbing parts of the proposal include:

Extremely broad secrecy terms preventing the vendor from disclosing to the public or the media what information is being captured and archived (page 7, "Restriction Against Disclosure")

Wholesale capturing of comments by non-White House staff on publicly accessible sites

Capturing of content of any type (text, graphics, audio, or video)

Capturing of comment by both Obama critics and supporters, with no restriction as to how the White House would use the information.


This is the link to NLPC's report/article but evidently their servers are down

http://nlpc.org/stories/2009/08/31/o...orking-website


contract description/PDF
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...&cck=1&au=&ck=

[RadicalSights]

I don't use any of those lame sites so they can't get me!

[tranza]

Come on, who cares?

[Jman]

LMAO and you think they are the only one who thaught of that... Come on big brother been watching you forever.

If you don't want big brother to know anything... Don't use a credit card, don't travel and use a passport, don't use a phone communication device, don't get sick and go to hospital, don't have a bank account... Oh and don't go to school.

Maybe we should all move to Ethipopia

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by tranza

Come on, who cares?

You should care.

[Porn Grounds]

OH NOES THEYS GONNA LOOKS AT MY MYSPACES PAGES 0o0o0o0o0o

[qxm]

[Wizzo]

What they are going to harvest my Facebook comments????? Your right that's just going too far!! haha

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

Maybe we should all move to Ethipopia

If you agree to allowing this kind of stuff to go on maybe you should move to Ethiopia.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

I don't use any of those lame sites so they can't get me!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

What they are going to harvest my Facebook comments????? Your right that's just going too far!! haha

Actually opposition parties usually use these places to organize, much like Obama did in the last election. I believe this would give the ruling party a huge advantage in future elections.

Oh and lets not forget the 4th amendment. Jesus Christ people have we not learned anything from the last 8 years?

[LiveDose]

Obama is no different than those who came before him. He's just a puppet having his strings pulled. The scary people are the ones we don't see on tv everyday.

[LiveDose]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Actually opposition parties usually use these places to organize, much like Obama did in the last election. I believe this would give the ruling party a huge advantage in future elections.

Oh and lets not forget the 4th amendment. Jesus Christ people have we not learned anything from the last 8 years?

In other words maybe the Repubs should get off their asses and start using this technology as well. Who is in charge of this party anymore anyways. It's pathetic.

The media is not going to call out their favorite son on anything so maybe Republicans need to show up to the game and play.

Either way it really doesn't matter. The parties are one in the same.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

I don't use any of those lame sites so they can't get me!

Word!

[12clicks]

Bush sux0r

[dyna mo]

so now they are going to know what a bunch of 13 year old girls are going to wear to the party friday nite!

[onwebcam]

I can't even believe some of the comments. People it's not just about those few sites. If the White House advertises through google. You place google ads on your sites. Your site therefore is now subject to this policy. Is that layman enough? Do you now get it? All they need to do is open the door. Look at what just the email [email protected] ordeal stirred up. Now they want to datamine major websites? Hell there's already one major lawsuit filed against them for that.

[brassmonkey]

well thanx

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I can't even believe some of the comments. People it's not just about those few sites. If the White House advertises through google. You place google ads on your sites. Your site therefore is now subject to this policy. Is that layman enough? Do you now get it? All they need to do is open the door. Look at what just the email [email protected] ordeal stirred up. Now they want to datamine major websites? Hell there's already one major lawsuit filed against them for that.

So...what is the point that you are trying to make...other than you are against this action?

[onwebcam]

Then you have this little legal problem for them

4th Amendment of the United States Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their...persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Then you have this little legal problem for them

4th Amendment of the United States Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their...persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Anytime...you provide your phone number...your address...your drivers license number...your social security number...your credit card number...your bank account number...you call 911...you have contact with a law enforcement officer...you purchase a car...you get a passport...a census is taken...you register to vote...etc. etc. etc. your privacy has been compromised.

[Pics Traffic]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

LMAO and you think they are the only one who thaught of that... Come on big brother been watching you forever.

If you don't want big brother to know anything... Don't use a credit card, don't travel and use a passport, don't use a phone communication device, don't get sick and go to hospital, don't have a bank account... Oh and don't go to school.

Maybe we should all move to Ethipopia

No shit. As if myspace is the primary place to get your info.

[u-Bob]

doesn't surprise me...

[Porn Grounds]

Don't fill out the census they will send you to a death camp!!!

[seeandsee]

obama to save to world :F

[onwebcam]

Maybe this article will open up your eyes a bit and also jog your memory of the Bush era

Electronic snooping by the state may safeguard liberty—and also threaten it

Just a few small excerpts

"In November 2002 news reports revealed the existence of a big, secret Pentagon programme called Total Information Awareness. This aimed to identify suspicious patterns of behaviour by “data mining” (also known as “pattern recognition”): computer-driven searches of large quantities of electronic information. After a public outcry it was dubbed, perhaps more palatably, Terrorism Information Awareness. But protests continued, and in September 2003 Congress blocked its funding."

"In July, after fierce debate, Congress imposed new limitations on government wiretapping when it renewed the expiring Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) sought by President George Bush after September 11th. The main law governing data mining, this has provided the administration with broad and unprecedented electronic-spying powers. But civil-liberties lobbies such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say the renewed, restricted law leaves largely untouched far-reaching secret “black” programmes, run by the NSA, which crunch data on great numbers of people, including millions of Americans. Much of that is personal financial information collected by the Treasury.

Mr Bush says that FISA helps protect citizens’ liberties “while maintaining the vital flow of intelligence”. Several hours after the president signed the bill into law, the ACLU filed a federal lawsuit, on the grounds that the executive branch’s expanded wiretapping powers violated the constitution."

http://www.economist.com/world/inter...ry_id=12295455

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Maybe this article will open up your eyes a bit and also jog your memory of the Bush era

Electronic snooping by the state may safeguard liberty?and also threaten it

Just a few small excerpts

"In November 2002 news reports revealed the existence of a big, secret Pentagon programme called Total Information Awareness. This aimed to identify suspicious patterns of behaviour by ?data mining? (also known as ?pattern recognition?): computer-driven searches of large quantities of electronic information. After a public outcry it was dubbed, perhaps more palatably, Terrorism Information Awareness. But protests continued, and in September 2003 Congress blocked its funding."

"In July, after fierce debate, Congress imposed new limitations on government wiretapping when it renewed the expiring Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) sought by President George Bush after September 11th. The main law governing data mining, this has provided the administration with broad and unprecedented electronic-spying powers. But civil-liberties lobbies such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch say the renewed, restricted law leaves largely untouched far-reaching secret ?black? programmes, run by the NSA, which crunch data on great numbers of people, including millions of Americans. Much of that is personal financial information collected by the Treasury.

Mr Bush says that FISA helps protect citizens? liberties ?while maintaining the vital flow of intelligence?. Several hours after the president signed the bill into law, the ACLU filed a federal lawsuit, on the grounds that the executive branch?s expanded wiretapping powers violated the constitution."

http://www.economist.com/world/inter...ry_id=12295455

Anytime...you provide your phone number...your address...your drivers license number...your social security number...your credit card number...your bank account number...you call 911...you have contact with a law enforcement officer...you purchase a car...you get a passport...a census is taken...you register to vote...etc. etc. etc. your privacy has been compromised.

[onwebcam]

Or maybe this one

Revisiting Echelon: The NSA’s Clandestine Data Mining Program

"Report Critical of NSA Program

"Last week, an unclassified report prepared by inspectors general of five federal agencies said George W. Bush justified his warrantless wiretapping by relying on Justice Department attorney John Yoo’s theories of unlimited presidential wartime powers, and started the spying operation even before Yoo issued a formal opinion, a government investigation discovered.

Essentially, President Bush took it upon himself to ignore the clear requirement of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that all domestic intelligence-related electronic spying must have a warrant from a secret federal court, not just presidential approval. Illegal wiretapping is a felony under federal law."

http://pubrecord.org/nation/2290/rev...-echelon-nsas/

[directfiesta]

le me think ... what was the answer a few years ago ... by the right wing people ...:

- if you do nothing illegal, you should not even care

Yes, I think it was that type of comment

But back to topic, Obama and his admin are continuing many practices that supporters thought would be terminated:

- this spying
- the continued search of laptops hard drive contents at borders ( search foran update on this law )
- the war in afghanistan and increasing troops
- the increased use of dromes to assassinate people


If he continues, I will start missing BUSH .....

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Or maybe this one

Revisiting Echelon: The NSA?s Clandestine Data Mining Program

"Report Critical of NSA Program

"Last week, an unclassified report prepared by inspectors general of five federal agencies said George W. Bush justified his warrantless wiretapping by relying on Justice Department attorney John Yoo?s theories of unlimited presidential wartime powers, and started the spying operation even before Yoo issued a formal opinion, a government investigation discovered.

Essentially, President Bush took it upon himself to ignore the clear requirement of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that all domestic intelligence-related electronic spying must have a warrant from a secret federal court, not just presidential approval. Illegal wiretapping is a felony under federal law."

http://pubrecord.org/nation/2290/rev...-echelon-nsas/

Why are you concerned about any of the things that you have posted? I am not concerned about it...as I live in the real world and know that my privacy has long ago been compromised.

[CynBabes]

It's ok to give all of this information and data to private companies that does god knows what with it and post it in publicly accessible places, but it's not ok for the government to look at this information. I get it now.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

Why are you concerned about any of the things that you have posted? I am not concerned about it...as I live in the real world and know that my privacy has long ago been compromised.

You aren't aren't even close to the real world if you want to simplify things such as this. Ah what the hell. Why don't we let them setup camera's in our homes to make sure we feed our kids. Oh wait it's already being done

Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/


Come on man. I mean really, where does it all stop? Do you have a line in the sand or are you just going to keep moving it until you fall off the cliff?

[Sexyblogger]

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You aren't aren't even close to the real world if you want to simplify things such as this. Ah what the hell. Why don't we let them setup camera's in our homes to make sure we feed our kids. Oh wait it's already being done

Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/


Come on man. I mean really, where does it all stop? Do you have a line in the sand or are you just going to keep moving it until you fall off the cliff?

My line in the sand would be spying upon me inside my own home...other than that since I am aware that my privacy was compromised long ago...and since I do not engage in criminal/terrorist type activities I really do not care about the shit that you posted. Maybe you could educate me as to why I should care?

[theking]

Originally Posted by CynBabes

It's ok to give all of this information and data to private companies that does god knows what with it and post it in publicly accessible places, but it's not ok for the government to look at this information. I get it now.

Exactly...basically your "privacy" is an open book and is even sold among private companies...and if you have a drivers license...a passport...a social security card...served in the military or other types of government jobs...called 911...had contact with law enforcement for any reason...etc. etc. etc...your privacy has been compromised with the government as well.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

My line in the sand would be spying upon me inside my own home...other than that since I am aware that my privacy was compromised long ago...and since I do not engage in criminal/terrorist type activities I really do not care about the shit that you posted. Maybe you could educate me as to why I should care?

Need something closer to home?

"Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets

Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets
HOUSTON (AP) — Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers. "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-cameras_x.htm

Again where does it all stop?

Have you seen the recent lists of what could be considered terrorists? People having Ron Paul stickers on their bumpers. Carrying a constitution. Real dangerous folks there I'm sure. Everyone is a terrorist these days. Have you been on a flight lately? Maybe Mr Jihad likes to browse your website looking at naked chicks. Makes a membership payment to you. Who knows. You might be a terrorist.

[JC Maldini]

I didn't realize so many people loved the patriot act!

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Need something closer to home?

"Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets

Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets
HOUSTON (AP) ? Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers. "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-cameras_x.htm

Again where does it all stop?

Have you seen the recent lists of what could be considered terrorists? People having Ron Paul stickers on their bumpers. Carrying a constitution. Real dangerous folks there I'm sure.

I personally think that surveillance cameras are a good thing...not a bad thing...recent lists made by whom...fruitcakes? I try to ignore them.

[Tom_PM]

Tapping into your phone calls without a warrant is an invasion of privacy, because laws are in place to provide you with that privacy. The internet has no such provision and never has.

That article from Houston was from 2006. Did it ever happen?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

...recent lists made by whom...fruitcakes? I try to ignore them.

Your Government think tanks! You just made my point!

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Need something closer to home?

"Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets

Houston police chief wants cameras on homes, streets
HOUSTON (AP) — Houston's police chief on Wednesday proposed placing surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets, shopping malls and even private homes to fight crime during a shortage of police officers. "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-cameras_x.htm

Again where does it all stop?

Have you seen the recent lists of what could be considered terrorists? People having Ron Paul stickers on their bumpers. Carrying a constitution. Real dangerous folks there I'm sure. Everyone is a terrorist these days. Have you been on a flight lately? Maybe Mr Jihad likes to browse your website looking at naked chicks. Makes a membership payment to you. Who knows. You might be a terrorist.

BTW...most of the places that were named to place surveillance cameras...already have surveillance cameras...including many private homes...inside and out...so why would anyone care if the police had their own surveillance cameras at these places...other than inside ones home?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by theking

I personally think that surveillance cameras are a good thing...not a bad thing...recent lists made by whom...fruitcakes? I try to ignore them.

LMAO federal agents made the lists

[onwebcam]

Maybe this video will help you out a bit it touches on it all along with the paranoid schizophrenic government

[theking]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

LMAO federal agents made the lists

Do you have a link showing that Federal agents made such a list and what Federal agents are you speaking of?

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Maybe this video will help you out a bit it touches on it all along with the paranoid schizophrenic government

As I stated...I try to ignore fruitcakes.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

As I stated...I try to ignore fruitcakes.

That video is common sense. The fruitcakes you are eating right up and full of.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

Do you have a link showing that Federal agents made such a list and what Federal agents are you speaking of?

MIAC Report: Ron Paul Supporters Labeled Domestic Terrorists?
http://www.unitedliberty.org/article...ers-terrorists


Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists
http://www.infowars.com/secret-state...re-terrorists/

There's been another one since that one. I'll try and locate it.

[Iron Fist]

Get over yourselves... your not that important.

[Hawkeye]

[SoloGirlsContent]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I still love Obama