How many who bitch about content theft are guilty themselves?

[bdeforest]

I'm not talking about stealing porn videos. How many of you steal software, movies, music, video games, etc.? If you do, then STFU about tube sites because you are just as guilty as they are. Anyone care to admit they are a hypocrite?

[Sly]

When somebody downloads (steals) a video from torrents they are using it for personal use and are not profiting from it in any way. When somebody posts a stolen video on their website, they are profiting on the stolen video or are intending on profiting from the stolen video.

Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sly

When somebody downloads (steals) a video from torrents they are using it for personal use and are not profiting from it in any way.

Theft is theft champ.

Just like speeding is speeding to the cops on the highway.

[bdeforest]

It still takes money out of the hands of the content owner.

[Roald]

tell that to Jay and his big ass Brazzers thread lol

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Sly

When somebody downloads (steals) a video from torrents they are using it for personal use and are not profiting from it in any way. When somebody posts a stolen video on their website, they are profiting on the stolen video or are intending on profiting from the stolen video.

Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different.

ok so if i steal your car and just drive it around it's all good, but as soon as i sell it im in the wrong? COOL

[Cyber Fucker]

Originally Posted by Roald

tell that to Jay and his big ass Brazzers thread lol

[Sly]

I'm glad you all can read.

"Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different."

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

ok so if i steal your car and just drive it around it's all good, but as soon as i sell it im in the wrong? COOL

Those are two separate crimes.

That's exactly what I said above. Both are wrong, but different crimes.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

ok so if i steal your car and just drive it around it's all good, but as soon as i sell it im in the wrong? COOL

actually they are both wrong, but very different. you're going to do way more time if you change the vin #s and sell it as opposed to joy riding.

[Tom_PM]

Profitting from someone elses work is clearly different than, shall we call it "simple possession".

Both are at least theft, but it's the redistribution thats really at issue.

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by Sly

When somebody downloads (steals) a video from torrents they are using it for personal use and are not profiting from it in any way. When somebody posts a stolen video on their website, they are profiting on the stolen video or are intending on profiting from the stolen video.

Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different.

I 1000 % disagree, when someone downloads from a torrent site its the same as if they went into Blockbuster and steal dvds. People busted with illegally gotten porn or anything should be subject to prosecution as well . Maybe some fake torrent sites that download virus that destroys thier computer.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Theft is theft champ.

Just like speeding is speeding to the cops on the highway.

There is NO argument to the above post.


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[Sly]

Originally Posted by amacontent

I 1000 % disagree, when someone downloads from a torrent site its the same as if they went into Blockbuster and steal dvds. People busted with illegally gotten porn or anything should be subject to prosecution as well . Maybe some fake torrent sites that download virus that destroys thier computer.

You didn't disagree with anything I said.

I said that possession and distribution are two totally different crimes. Both with two totally separate punishments.

Drug possession. Drug distribution.

Which carries a higher sentence? And why?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Sly

You didn't disagree with anything I said.

I said that possession and distribution are two totally different crimes. Both with two totally separate punishments.

Drug possession. Drug distribution.

Which carries a higher sentence? And why?

Agreed buddy.

But to the victim, the theft component is the same. Lost revenue.

Most people bitching are bitching from THAT perspective.

[jcsike]

Originally Posted by Sly

You didn't disagree with anything I said.

i disagree with how you presented your point.

some guy rapes some girl. his first rational was, well i know i didnt do the best thing, but at least i didnt murder her

yes, what you said may be factual, but it doesnt belong in this thread, unless you want to sound like you condone it

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by beemk

actually they are both wrong, but very different. you're going to do way more time if you change the vin #s and sell it as opposed to joy riding.

the thread is about being a hypocrite.

not about doing time and laws.

the point was you are still stealing no matter what the scale. i dont see how you guys missed it.

[Tom_PM]

Nobody has ever defined right-click, save-as as "content theft". What people define as content theft is someone putting up stolen content on their websites. It's the RE-DISTRIBUTION OF THE STOLEN CONTENT that defines what is commonly referred to as "content theft".

YES if you download a pirate copy of Doom then you are a thief. If you set up a collection of stolen software and run ads all over the fuck then you are OFFICIALLY a content fucking thief in the way everyone defines it.

[seeric]

i just stole a woman's heart at the supermarket.

[borked]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Nobody has ever defined right-click, save-as as "content theft". What people define as content theft is someone putting up stolen content on their websites. It's the RE-DISTRIBUTION OF THE STOLEN CONTENT that defines what is commonly referred to as "content theft".

YES if you download a pirate copy of Doom then you are a thief. If you set up a collection of stolen software and run ads all over the fuck then you are OFFICIALLY a content fucking thief in the way everyone defines it.

Well, you seem to be condoning content theft by the individual....

Did you know back in Spring in France a very controversial text was passed as law that gives copyright owners the power to cut off people's internet (well, thereabouts) for content theft - illegal downloads etc. It came into force a month or two ago. Google "loi HADOPI" (Haute Autorité pour la Diffusion des Oeuvres et la PrOtection des Droits sur Internet)

While it's always been illegal to download copyrighted material illegally, this law goes a step further to deliver the punishment that fits the crime - to cut off all internet access to that persons house/apt whatever.

Why it was/is controversial as a lot of onus falls on the ISP - you as a porn producer can poll the ISPs to cut a person off from the internet if you have proof. Whether it be some 13 yo in his parents basement, or some large tube site running a full cab in a DC.

Well, they have to fall under French juristiction though.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Nobody has ever defined right-click, save-as as "content theft". What people define as content theft is someone putting up stolen content on their websites. It's the RE-DISTRIBUTION OF THE STOLEN CONTENT that defines what is commonly referred to as "content theft".

YES if you download a pirate copy of Doom then you are a thief. If you set up a collection of stolen software and run ads all over the fuck then you are OFFICIALLY a content fucking thief in the way everyone defines it.

Nigga please.

If you download a copy of Robbie's content from a tube/torrent/rapidshare. You are stealing from Robbie. Robbie is losing that profit from his content, and site.

No one, especially the victim of theft, give a good goddamn on your 'interpretation' of theft (i.e. distribution on mass scale, or by another WM).

[Max Cannon]

Robin Hood stole and he had ethics....the line blurs

...but yeah if someone steals from you then you should do something about it or else you are doing a disservice to yourself

[Tom_PM]

Good lord, NO I dont condoned content theft by the individual!

There seemed to be a serious problem with people equating the difference between distributing for profit, and possessing. While both are theft, they are NOT equivalent crimes. They just arent.

One of the things with image content is that it downloads as a "stream" you could say. Everyone visiting this site right now is "downloading" all the jpegs and gifs contained. We are not stealing it, although we all possess a copy of it. Ok, but we arent adding the layout of this page to a collection of page layouts, offering them as content, and running ads along side them.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Nigga please.

If you download a copy of Robbie's content from a tube/torrent/rapidshare. You are stealing from Robbie. Robbie is losing that profit from his content, and site.

No one, especially the victim of theft, give a good goddamn on your 'interpretation' of theft (i.e. distribution on mass scale, or by another WM).

If I download a copy of it from inside his members area then thats what I paid for.

If I redistribute it for profit then I am a content thief.

If I downloaded it from somewhere other than Robbie's members area then I am getting it from a content thief.

These are all pretty clear cut, and thats all I'm saying. I dont see why this is debatable, but thats ok.

[Barefootsies]

Ah ok. I follow. Agreed. Two different categories of theft.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

There seemed to be a serious problem with people equating the difference between distributing for profit, and possessing. While both are theft, they are NOT equivalent crimes. They just arent.

No. You are missing the point by the O.P.. Theft is theft.

Robbie, in my example, is losing money either way. Individual, or on mass distribution.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

These are all pretty clear cut, and thats all I'm saying. I dont see why this is debatable, but thats ok.

If you did not pay for it. Regardless if an individual, or from a content thief. Theft is theft.

You're right. There is no debate. Robbie loses money on either example.

Which was the point of the O.P..

[Tom_PM]

The OP's point was not theft is theft Barefootsies, her point was that you are "just as guilty as they are" in equating the possession of a stolen copy to tube sites, who only exist because they distribute it, not possess it!

Well sir, I do not think so.

However, as I said in my first reply, BOTH would be theft of course.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

BOTH would be theft of course.

Thank you.

[Tom_PM]

No need to thank me, I said it a half hour ago.

I've almost never talked about tube sites before, I never gave any opinion on the latest skin, but there is no way in hell that people should feel like they are a hypocrite unless they are actually redistributing stolen content FOR profit. Thats the only fair comparison.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

there is no way in hell that people should feel like they are a hypocrite unless they are actually redistributing stolen content FOR profit. Thats the only fair comparison.

So I can download music/scripts/movie/video games or porn, without paying for them any longer since I am using them only for myself?

Good deal!

I'll let Sony, Apple, and EA know that PR_Tom from GFY said it was ok to download their shit, or steal it and no longer pay, since it was for my personal use, and not for mass distribution (which WAS the O.P.'s point to begin with).

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

So I can download music/scripts/movie/video games or porn, without paying for them any longer since I am using them only for myself?

Good deal!

I'll let Sony, Apple, and EA know that PR_Tom from GFY said it was ok since it was for my personal use, and not for mass distribution (which WAS the O.P.'s point to begin with).

I can't engage with the dining room table on the subject, lmao.

The original post states:"How many of you steal software, movies, music, video games, etc.? If you do, then STFU about tube sites because you are just as guilty as they are."

I simply disagree with that premise.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The original post states:"How many of you steal software, movies, music, video games, etc.? If you do, then STFU about tube sites because you are just as guilty as they are."

I simply disagree with that premise.

Theft is theft.

So disagree all you like. You steal script/music/movies/porn for yourself from rapidshare, torrents, tubes or wherever. You are still a thief, and STFU was the point of the O.P..

I has absolutely nothing to do with the technology, nor distribution of the theft. You are just splitting the hairs of your hippocracy.

[Tom_PM]

You are the one claiming that they are part of the same hair.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

You are the one claiming that they are part of the same hair.

Let me make it a little simpler for your comprehension level. I'll even include a simple 1, 2, 3 for you.

Example of O.P.
1. You are an adult webmaster who owns site/network/program.

2. You steal your photoshop/scripts/music/movies/video games from torents/rapidshare.

3. You complain daily, or get your panties in a bunch on message boards about tubes, and cry in your beer about them. You never miss a chance to be outraged by tube sites, and threaten to leave GFY, bash others, or do other similar things along those lines.

You are a hippocrite.

You steal from other companies. Whether for your personal use, or distribution, and you have the nerve to get upset when someone steals YOUR content or within the industry. That was the point.

You don't agree. That is fine. But to continue your theft personal/mass distribution hair splitting asinine arguments makes you look like an idiot.

[idiftl]

Originally Posted by Sly

When somebody downloads (steals) a video from torrents they are using it for personal use and are not profiting from it in any way. When somebody posts a stolen video on their website, they are profiting on the stolen video or are intending on profiting from the stolen video.

Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different.

loll you fucking retard. so if they are not making profit its perfectly okay.

then you just justified many porn tube sites. they are making negative profits due to bandwith, and they end up redirecting to their paysite.

hahha you are a stupid shit.

[Hentaikid]

The point is it's simpler to go after 1 siteowner than the 100.000 people that are downloading from his site, nothing to do with ethics it's simple utility.

[Tom_PM]

Person A owns content.
Person B steals content.
Person C steals content.
Person C makes 5 million dollars from using the stolen content.

This is simple folks.

Person B is a thief, he has cost person A $39.99.

Person C is a thief, he has cost person A at least 5 million dollars.

Just as guilty? sure ok, make stealing 5 million dollars feel just like stealing 1 copy. Good long term thinking being employed.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by Sly

Neither are ethical, but they are vastly different.

Originally Posted by idiftl

loll you fucking retard. so if they are not making profit its perfectly okay.

then you just justified many porn tube sites. they are making negative profits due to bandwith, and they end up redirecting to their paysite.

hahha you are a stupid shit.

ill take things retards who cant read say for $200 alex.

[Loch]

I for one have licenses for everything in the office, thousands in microsoft licenses, apple the shit has no end.
Its expensive but its a part of doing businss

[beemk]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Let me make it a little simpler for your comprehension level. I'll even include a simple 1, 2, 3 for you.

Example of O.P.
1. You are an adult webmaster who owns site/network/program.

2. You steal your photoshop/scripts/music/movies/video games from torents/rapidshare.

3. You complain daily, or get your panties in a bunch on message boards about tubes, and cry in your beer about them. You never miss a chance to be outraged by tube sites, and threaten to leave GFY, bash others, or do other similar things along those lines.

You are a hippocrite.

You steal from other companies. Whether for your personal use, or distribution, and you have the nerve to get upset when someone steals YOUR content or within the industry. That was the point.

You don't agree. That is fine. But to continue your theft personal/mass distribution hair splitting asinine arguments makes you look like an idiot.

says the guy who was selling stolen celeb content a few months ago, nuff' said.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Person A owns content.
Person B steals content.
Person C steals content.
Person C makes 5 million dollars from using the stolen content.

This is simple folks.

Person B is a thief, he has cost person A $39.99.

Person C is a thief, he has cost person A at least 5 million dollars.

Just as guilty? sure ok, make stealing 5 million dollars feel just like stealing 1 copy. Good long term thinking being employed.

careful, the idiots who cant read are going to interpret your logical post for you posting "its perfectly ok to steal content".

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Just as guilty? sure ok, make stealing 5 million dollars feel just like stealing 1 copy. Good long term thinking being employed.

Theft is theft. 39.95 or 39 million. It costs the original producer. So if you are stealing, stop crying about being stolen from.

That was the point.

[BFT3K]

If you are in the music business, then illegally downloaded music sucks for you.

If you are in the software business, then illegally downloaded software sucks for you.

If you are in the porn business, then illegally downloaded porn sucks for you.

What business are YOU in?

TUBE SITES SUCK SHIT!

[idiftl]

Originally Posted by beemk

careful, the idiots who cant read are going to interpret your logical post for you posting "its perfectly ok to steal content".

lol ironic because you fall into the same group of idiots.

you are a fucking retard.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by beemk

says the guy who was selling stolen celeb content a few months ago, nuff' said.

I am not crying on a message board about tubes.
I am not threatening to leave GFY.

The point is, if you are stealing, stop crying on the boards about it.

I know you are an dim witted idiot and all. But try and stay on topic k?

[KillerK]

idiots in this thread.

Robbie I am sure doesn't care half as much if someone just d/ls his shit from a torrent. However watching somone else post it for free and profit from it really bothers him.

Sure neither is right.

[Relentless]

Paying for things is the way that people 'vote' in a capitalist model. When you buy songs by an artist... the artist makes MORE songs. When you buy porn from a paysite it updates more often. When you buy software they make better versions of that software.

Not paying for things in the 'free world' people think they live in is the number one reason why product quality overall sucks as compared to the past. As more people figure this out free will fade away (and so will poor quality), eventually being replaced by what we had before.... high quality products worth buying and people who pay for them.

[bdeforest]

So am i to understand that it doesn't matter that tube sites full of stolen content exist as long as they don't profit from it? And all this time i thought that we were supposed to be pissed off that they were full of stolen content.

[Kingfish]

Both are wrong, but it really is a matter of math. If one person steals a $40 software key the loss to the software developer is $40. If the person publishes a stolen software key and 100k people download and use the stolen key the loss to the developer is $4 million. If someone shop lifts a $40 item and gets caught the likely punishment is probation. If a person gets caught stealing $4 million there is a good chance they will be spending the next 20 years in jail. So basically the difference boils down to one is a misdemeanor and the other is a felony. So IMO there is a difference a big difference.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by bdeforest

So am i to understand that it doesn't matter that tube sites full of stolen content exist as long as they don't profit from it? And all this time i thought that we were supposed to be pissed off that they were full of stolen content.

You are to understand that having your members area image in my cache or in My Favorites is one thing.

Having all of your members area content published on my own series of unlicensed content re-distribution networks where I make a living giving away your baby's milk money is quite another. Dont you agree?