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Old 12-14-2009, 04:51 PM   #1
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GFY mods what the hell ??

What the hell is going on here at the board ?
There may be disputes between 2 parties but allowing people to openly accuse one party for shooting underage porn and shit like this is a completely different story, shit what the hell is this place turning into ?

I don't mind anyone to hate on anyone, but this is turning out to be ridiculous and pathetic, at least keep the hate on a professional level
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I must have missed that thread...
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I must have missed that thread...

It's 30 something pages long.......Kinda difficult to miss it.
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What the hell is going on here at the board ?
There may be disputes between 2 parties but allowing people to openly accuse one party for shooting underage porn and shit like this is a completely different story, shit what the hell is this place turning into ?

I don't mind anyone to hate on anyone, but this is turning out to be ridiculous and pathetic, at least keep the hate on a professional level
Lighten up Francis.
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However......I don't see why Due would be the one to start a thread about it since it doesn't concern him in any way.
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It's 30 something pages long.......Kinda difficult to miss it.
Oh.. that thread.. yeah I stopped reading it when it was like 2 pages
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However......I don't see why Due would be the one to start a thread about it since it doesn't concern him in any way.
I know him personally, I consider him a good friend.
I was pretty shocked when I just checked on the "hate" with the stuff that's being posted in there
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It was a legitimate news posting... Your friend could have stopped it in the beginning by doing whats right and paid his affiliate.... Am I right?

You can admit it... I mean were way past humility...

A friend is a friend...

A business is a business...
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If he was a good friend of mine, I would have told him to do the right thing over this whole stupid matter.

Anyway, to your balls, for nailing your colours to that mast.
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What the hell is going on here at the board ?
There may be disputes between 2 parties but allowing people to openly accuse one party for shooting underage porn and shit like this is a completely different story, shit what the hell is this place turning into ?

I don't mind anyone to hate on anyone, but this is turning out to be ridiculous and pathetic, at least keep the hate on a professional level
Shooting an underage model is professional? Good one buddy. Friends of a feather......
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Shooting an underage model is professional? Good one buddy. Friends of a feather......
This is what I'm referring to.
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I know him personally, I consider him a good friend.
I was pretty shocked when I just checked on the "hate" with the stuff that's being posted in there
And according to whore monger, your fiance should be well aware of the Kelsie accusation since Jenni works so closely to Dirty D.
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If he was a good friend of mine, I would have told him to do the right thing over this whole stupid matter.
Might as well call lagcam Confucius. I choose not to be good friends with people that choose to do the wrong thing.
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This is what I'm referring to.
Perhaps you should refer to the news article about these allegations...
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And according to whore monger, your fiance should be well aware of the Kelsie accusation since Jenni works so closely to Dirty D.
Now is the time you link actual news stories, or other factual proof. I am not in anyway saying this didn't, or did happen, but quoting a random unknown nick (that you do not know in any way) is not exactly solid proof to such strong claims.

Things you are saying can end a persons career, and possibly livelihood, permanently. A business, a few families, and the lives of many people could be hurt by such claims.

Use some tact and think about the repercussions of what you say, and what you base your 'facts' on. Unless you are certain 100% that this happened, and have proof to back it up so that the industry can react upon that, you have no business implying it anywhere, to anyone, especially on an industry board.

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It was a legitimate news posting... Your friend could have stopped it in the beginning by doing whats right and paid his affiliate.... Am I right?

You can admit it... I mean were way past humility...

A friend is a friend...

A business is a business...
The professional level in that thread is long gone, there is nothing in there that is currently business related.

I see the point from both sides and I think they both feel screwed, but that's not what's really on topic right now.
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Now is the time you link actual news stories, or other factual proof. I am not in anyway saying this didn't, or did happen, but quoting a random unknown nick (that you do not know in any way) is not exactly solid proof to such strong claims.

Things you are saying can end a persons career, and possibly livelihood, permanently. A business, a few families, and the lives of many people could be hurt by such claims.

Use some tact and think about the repercussions of what you say, and what you base your 'facts' on. Unless you are certain 100% that this happened, and have proof to back it up so that the industry can react upon that, you have no business implying it anywhere, to anyone, especially on an industry board.

Just sayin, ya know?
Links were provided in that thread in question. Might want to check it out...just sayin, ya know?
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The professional level in that thread is long gone, there is nothing in there that is currently business related.

I see the point from both sides and I think they both feel screwed, but that's not what's really on topic right now.
So are you willing to say with 100% certainty that Dirty D did not shoot a video with a model was 17 years old at the time of production?
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The professional level in that thread is long gone, there is nothing in there that is currently business related.

I see the point from both sides and I think they both feel screwed, but that's not what's really on topic right now.
Ill agree, there is un business oriented minds in there. But you can also notice that the reputable people there kept it on track. It IS a business matter. Will agree with you that the allegations are a huge burden. But it is a news article. It isnt just an allegation thrown about in words. It also wasnt made more widely public by the OP. It most likely wouldnt have come out in the first place had D done the right business thing in the beginning and not what he personally felt was right.

You can agree with all of this... right?
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I don't know anything about who did what, and I stopped reading the thread after about 15 pages.

Accusations are one thing, and can be quite serious, but at least in all the countries I do business, you are not guilty until proven otherwise. So for what it's worth,
Dirty D seems to have screwed an affiliate out on a few hundred dollars. However he di or didn't shoot underaged models, well, just apply not guilty until proven otherwise.
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I find it kind of interesting how involved totally unrelated parties can get in an issue that really doesn't involve them.
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I find it kind of interesting how involved totally unrelated parties can get in an issue that really doesn't involve them.
Touche Sly! Nicely Done!
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So are you willing to say with 100% certainty that Dirty D did not shoot a video with a model was 17 years old at the time of production?
I can't deny or confirm anything, can YOU ?
I heard this rumor before and seen the model verification process as well. I would say based on my due diligence he got the model ids in place as required by law.
I'd like you to point out the URLs to the content in question that you hold evidence is underage.
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I find it kind of interesting how involved totally unrelated parties can get in an issue that really doesn't involve them.
Having approved D's sites personally for processing certainly involves me.
Other than that, yes I find it kind of scary that anyone can go and post anything without proof or consequences
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Having approved D's sites personally for processing certainly involves me.
Other than that, yes I find it kind of scary that anyone can go and post anything without proof or consequences
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Yes, very nicely done.
You are an "interested party" in all of this I believe. Not exactly an impartial opinion. You are in biz with Dirt, right? Perhaps you are not the right person to be doing the damage control here. In fact the ship seems to be floundering at the moment.

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You are an "interested party" in all of this I believe. Not exactly an impartial opinion. You are in biz with Dirt, right? Perhaps you are not the right person to be doing the damage control here. In fact the ship seems to be floundering at the moment.
I'm not trying to do damage control. How on earth could you think a request for proof could be "damage control"
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I'm not trying to do damage control. How on earth could you think a request for proof could be "damage control"
First shot across the bow....
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I don't have any firsthand knowledge about the underage shooting allegations against Dirty D.

However, I did a Google search on "Kelsie Cummings" +"Dirty D" and this article from ******** came up:

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Kelsie Cummings writes me: When I was 17 I had a modeling portfolio on modelmayhem.com. A guy named Eric from 350 modeling told me he was an agent and he wanted to meet me. So I met him at a dunkin donuts in Holiday and he took me to a hotel saying I had to audition if I wanted to be in porn movies because I'd make tons of money.

I told him I was only 17 and he said it was ok because I was married. So I went and had sex with him for like 10minutes for the "audition". A few days later he called me and said he had a job for me. But he told me I needed to bring a friends i.d so they had it for their records.

I didn't think much of it and did as he said. Dirty D and Eric work together often. Eric ditched another friend of mine of at Dirty D's house once for videos. She was 20 though. anyhow, I went to dirty d's place and their was like 5 guys there including Dirty D. He asked me to fill out a model release with the information on the i.d. He never said he knew my age he just said "Fill this out with the information on the i.d you have"

so that made me think he knew I was just 17 and Eric must of told him the situation. He never asked me my d.o.b or my name or anything. He just told me to fill out the form with the info on the i.d i was told to bring with me.

I look nothing like the girl in the i.d. Anyways, I did fill out the form then they sat around for a few hours smoking weed before we began shooting. We did a solo scene at his home & then they took me to some Adult Video store down the road to film the second scene.

I started doing the scene and then I found out all the guys they were using were random men off the street & nobody was tested so I said I wanted to leave.

Dirty D and his friends kept trying to tell me I had to stay and finish because I agreed to do the scenes. I kept telling them no I couldn't do it. I went to walk out and Dirty D pulled me back by my arm and sat me on his lap.

He said it was normal to be nervous but everything was safe. I might of been nieve but no amount of money was ok for me to die of aids. I heard from others he was HIV positive and he shoots condomless all the time. So finally they let me call my husband and he came and got me.

I didn't get paid what I was supposed to and a few months ago somebody emailed me saying they knew I shot porn at 17 with a friends i.d and they were gonna have me arrested. The email was from [email protected] They emailed me asking me to do a shoot and I said no the pay was too low so they began threatening to turn me in for shooting.

Then your friend Patrick emailed me today asking questions. i just don't want to get in trouble for anything. I just did what I was told so I could make money to support my son. I was a teenage mom and young. I really had no clue at the time that I couldn't be in films. I can forward you the emails from 3xcasting if you want. I don't think it's Dirty D but it must be someone whose trying to back him up. I just didnt think i did anything wrong.
There is a subsequent short and carefully worded rebuttal statement released by Dirty D.

The video of the girl dubbed "Brandy" on the GloryHoleGirlz.com site was supposedly removed back when this story broke. I can see where some people might wonder why it was removed if in fact everything was legal.

When I did a search of "Gloryholegirlz" +"Brandy", lots of results popped up, meaning it is possible that the video is still floating around the internet. Anyway, I didn't bother clicking any further, given the potential nature of the content.

I'm not sure why a girl would make up a claim that could incriminate herself, but then again people have made false claims before, and Dirty D is still cruising free, so maybe what he says is true.

The one thing that IS clear to me, is that he sure is a magnet for controversy...whether it's from a girl claiming to have worked for him while underage, to former business partners talking negatively about his business practices, to an affiliate claiming that he was swindled out of payments.

Oh well, I guess the irony is that Dirty D is probably right now strolling around the deck of a cruise ship somewhere with not a worry in his head, totally oblivious to the drama continuing to unfold here at GFY (since according to him, his ship does not have internet access).

Sometimes not having an internet connection is a good thing...

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I don't have any firsthand knowledge about the underage shooting allegations against Dirty D.

However, I did a Google search on "Kelsie Cummings" +"Dirty D" and this article from ******** came up:



There is a subsequent short and carefully worded rebuttal statement released by Dirty D.

The video of the girl dubbed "Brandy" on the GloryHoleGirlz.com site was supposedly removed back when this story broke. I can see where some people might wonder why it was removed if in fact everything was legal.

When I did a search of "Gloryholegirlz" +"Brandy", lots of results popped up, meaning it is possible that the video is still floating around the internet. Anyway, I didn't bother clicking any further, given the potential nature of the content.

I'm not sure why a girl would make up a claim that could incriminate herself, but then again people have made false claims before, and Dirty D is still cruising free, so maybe what he says is true.

The one thing that IS clear to me, is that he sure is a magnet for controversy...whether it's from a girl claiming to have worked for him while underage, to former business partners talking negatively about his business practices, to an affiliate claiming that he was swindled out of payments.

Oh well, I guess the irony is that Dirty D is probably right now strolling around the deck of a cruise ship somewhere with not a worry in his head, totally oblivious to the drama continuing to unfold here at GFY (since according to him, his ship does not have internet access).

Sometimes not having an internet connection is a good thing...

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Are you implying that Due shoots underage models as well?

I understand where Shoehorn and Dirty D are both coming from and have clearly pointed out that this is between them. They are both big boys and will handle things when DD gets back.

I don't know why you have such a vendetta against DD other than him ignoring your e-mails when you were looking for someone to pay you to shoot content.

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Taking the word of Whore Monger aka "Cracker Jack" as well as other adult created "articles" about any other issue than the one at hand, then taking it further by implying that D is skirting the grey area with underage models, is a very serious accusation. Unless you have solid proof that is not generated from the hearsay circles (other adult boards), then I recommend you STFU about it. Let Shoehorn and DD work it out.

Insisting that Shoehorn gets paid is fine, many posters on here have taken that issue to heart and have run with it in other threads. Many of these folks actually have business in this industry as well as sites and established reputations. You are a no body with no site, who wants someone to buy you equipment then pay you to shoot. Good luck with that.
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The one thing that IS clear to me, is that he sure is a magnet for controversy...whether it's from a girl claiming to have worked for him while underage, to former business partners talking negatively about his business practices, to an affiliate claiming that he was swindled out of payments.
I can totally agree to that, also it appears that rumors relied on is taken from a person who send a mail to someone who they may know that had a friend from where they heard a wild story. On top of that the best reference given in an article is to a gmail account and not any specific person.
Also I find it kind of odd he would supposedly shoot underage content without even trying to market a "teen site"
Maybe my logic is broken
I'm not commenting on previous partners, affiliates etc, just continued posting about supposedly underage models with no facts supporting the statements
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Old 12-14-2009, 08:52 PM   #35
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Gene Ross (********) is a total suck up to anyone that pretends that Gene has a shread of jounalistic integrity left within his burned out shell - which he does not.

The guy basically writes press releases and serves as a hitman for the small cadre of suck ups that carry on as if he is anything in the industry anymore, while he lifts feeds and reprints them as "news" because he is too lazy to do actual news reporting.
How valid a source would you think ******** is ? Is the article you quoted trustworthy in your opinion ?
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I can totally agree to that, also it appears that rumors relied on is taken from a person who send a mail to someone who they may know that had a friend from where they heard a wild story. On top of that the best reference given in an article is to a gmail account and not any specific person.
Also I find it kind of odd he would supposedly shoot underage content without even trying to market a "teen site"
Maybe my logic is broken
I'm not commenting on previous partners, affiliates etc, just continued posting about supposedly underage models with no facts supporting the statements
I don't get what you want the mods to do. Someone mentioned an alleged incident. The article is here:

http://********.com/read.php?ID=31663

Now for an unsubstantiated rumor, Dirty D went ahead and wrote a response as well as removed the video and warned other companies to watch out for the girl. Something odd if you were certain it was unsubstantiated and had no merit.

It looks like a he said/she said situation. People will make their own judgements. When they factor in that the "he said" portion of that has angry business partners, unpaid affiliates, numerous other negative stories, and a police record, they probably don't come across as the most trustworthy of sources.
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Old 12-14-2009, 08:55 PM   #37
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How valid a source would you think ******** is ? Is the article you quoted trustworthy in your opinion ?
It was valid enough for Dirty D to remove the video, warn other companies of the model, and write a full response.
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How valid a source would you think ******** is ? Is the article you quoted trustworthy in your opinion ?
I don't think he was trying to prove allegations as being true or prove they are based in fact. I think what ADG was saying is just that the articles and accusations are already out there, originating on other sites not the Shoehorn thread on GFY.
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I didn't post in that thread, lot of trolling, bro-ism and stupidity even though it's a very simple matter and there's no other way to see it than the right way or the wrong way. Period.

I don't know if Dirty D shot underage content, although I've heard about the subject ADG posted, not only on boards (it was posted here as well) but I was told about it by persons close to that issue. In any case, it's a legal issue attaining other people, and I don't know what happened, so I'll keep my mouth shut. Maybe what Dirty D did after that thing shown up is a clue. Maybe not.

However, I don't understand why Due is defending D other than being his peep, I'd keep my mouth shut and let him fight his battles.

and then Jenni. I've no beef with you at all, you're a funny person and I kinda like you, however you're doing a terrible work as a PR person in this whole subject. Terrible. And your post in this thread shows a really unexpected lack of professionalism. I know D and Due are your clients, but if I was you, I'd think twice before speaking. In any case, since you seem unable to do a proper PR work in the HIGR thing, I'd follow your own advice: let DD and Shoehorn handle this.

Don't take it the wrong way, I'm telling you this because I like you. Of course, you can do what you want, but just my 2 cents

On a side note, it's amazing how bored is people in this board
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:29 PM   #43
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It was valid enough for Dirty D to remove the video, warn other companies of the model, and write a full response.
So he removed content and issued a warning to others about potential problems with a specific model that apparently shoot a lot of content since there was the need to issue a warning ? If that make him guilty I see a potential instant kill of a lot of companies around. I heard a lot of funky stories about various models during my last at leats 12 years in this business.
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I don't think he was trying to prove allegations as being true or prove they are based in fact. I think what ADG was saying is just that the articles and accusations are already out there, originating on other sites not the Shoehorn thread on GFY.
Just because it's on the internet doesnt make it a fact, this forum have some pretty strict rules about this that appears to be set aside to increase sigviews (or mods is not paying attention, pick whatever is beneficial for you)
A models age is a very sour subject in this business, it IS the actual business. After I spoke up, I was put into the same "boat"
It just makes me wonder how far this will go.
Just for the records, I got nothing against ADG nor his posts, it's not him posting that stuff, also had the pleasure of meeting him and seing him at work which he is very good at!
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Because it's fucking annoying...
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However, I don't understand why Due is defending D other than being his peep, I'd keep my mouth shut and let him fight his battles.
I posted not specifically to defend D but more based on the potential damage this could have on our industry when someone without any apparent proof can go on a rampage for days accusing someone of being an underage content shooter, when I posted about this I was put in the same boat. Is that the level this board is coming to ?
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Due sure seems to be doing damage control.

Dirty D is taking a lot of heat, people are pulling links.

Due admits to being his processor.

1 + 1 = 2

I would think as a processor you should be as impartial and as far away from drama threads as possible. You never see Corvette, or RonC, or Mitch get involved.

Just makes me wonder why Due cares soo much and is fighting it soo much, minus that it could hurt his income....


As far as the story and situation in question. An accusation was made. The girl in question made statements, was interviewed, people picked up on the story and that was that.

It's up to D to clean up that mess, which it appears he tried to.

It's all posted for the public to read, and there is nothing wrong with linking off to an independent news source...
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As I did not know about ******** I did a few searches and found this about ********

How valid a source would you think ******** is ? Is the article you quoted trustworthy in your opinion ?

So since someones opinion on Gene Ross and ******** is he's a suck up and not trustworthy we should take their opinion 100%, but if Gene says something we should not.

Kind of a pot kettle type situation. If you want to take one persons opinion, but not another.
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I posted not specifically to defend D but more based on the potential damage this could have on our industry when someone without any apparent proof can go on a rampage for days accusing someone of being an underage content shooter, when I posted about this I was put in the same boat. Is that the level this board is coming to ?
It's the level this board has always worked at. Admit that you are just just trying to play clean up because D is not because this could effect your pockets. It's pretty clear.

The entire "for the good of the industry" deal... no one is going to buy it. Because if so you better put your cape and tights on and start patrolling all the boards because there are things said daily that can hurt our industry, not to mention what people say about us on non porn related boards. You better get a ton of super friends together if this is the battle you want to fight.

Unless you are just selecting this battle because it makes you money....
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I posted not specifically to defend D but more based on the potential damage this could have on our industry when someone without any apparent proof can go on a rampage for days accusing someone of being an underage content shooter, when I posted about this I was put in the same boat. Is that the level this board is coming to ?
no you didnt... you posted a self serving thread to try to support your future wife...

while i can relate and understand your desire to support your girl, trying to disguise (poorly) your intent by masking it by your so called compassion toward this industry is both lame and foolish..

"when a man wishes to stay clean, he does not try to debate the different flavors of mud, he is smart enough to stay clear of the mud"..

i just made that up, so any further unauthorized use of that saying will violate my copyright...

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"when a man wishes to stay clean, he does not try to debate the different flavors of mud, he is smart enough to stay clear of the mud"..

i just made that up, so any further unauthorized use of that saying will violate my copyright...
GODDAMN!!!! I wish you had written that a week ago! Woulda saved me from crucifixion on here!

I'm gonna have to make that my new motto. No matter how pissed I get or passionate about a subject...I will refer to those words of wisdom and save myself from being trolled down to the ground.
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