Will the adjut industry ever revert back?

[hawkadu]

Do you hope sales will be like they were before this recession? Once the jobs starts kicking it, everything will be fine?

Recently I'm seeing many program owners selling their websites and low sales thread is almost on every board.

What do you think about 2010? Will it be better than 2009?

[WWC]

Yes, 2010 will be better for those companies who make changes accordingly...everyone must tweak their business to adapt in todays market....

[PXN]

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Reports from Reuters, Bloomberg and CNBC indicate there is an increase trend in mobile porn.

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by WWC

Yes, 2010 will be better for those companies who make changes accordingly...everyone must tweak their business to adapt in todays market....

i agree

[Iron Fist]

Is this the adapt or die thread?

[Loch]

Business is not worse then it was 1-2-3-4 years ago, just VERY different.

[okny]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Is this the adapt or die thread?

Well basically if you don't based on what is going these days there will be no other options.

[Mock NyaMout]

Things will be great over here

[Agent 488]

look into selling products that can't be downloaded for free. adult is moving into a period of consolidation.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Is this the adapt or die thread?

Can I adapt by dieing?
Perhaps change my business choice of micro niche and start some DRM based zombie porn

[bjlover]

Originally Posted by hawkadu

Do you hope sales will be like they were before this recession? Once the jobs starts kicking it, everything will be fine?

Recently I'm seeing many program owners selling their websites and low sales thread is almost on every board.

What do you think about 2010? Will it be better than 2009?

I wonder if there is a transport forum somewhere and some dumb ass is asking if people are going to revert back to the horse and cart?

Anyone with even 1/2 a brain cell can see why sales have fallen. In case you have missed the 1000,000 threads on here about tubes I'll give you a clue.

Tubes are better than most pay sites and they offer videos in a format surfers want, they have more updates and often better quality.

Oh and they are free

[onwebcam]

The future is in exchange. You get what you pay for. You pay for what you get. People will take more into consideration what they buy. Learn to adapt or die. Without something real. You have no real return. A picture is worth a thousands words. A person is worth a million.

[Libertine]

Even though small periods of increased revenue are possible, the overall line for adult points downward. Anyone who pretends otherwise refuses to deal with reality.

Porn is now an essentially free product. There are so many tubes with different content that for most parts of adult even the most demanding addict can get his fix for free. Only a few small and specific niches are an exception to that.

Moreover, each year a larger percentage of adult men will have grown up with the internet, and will thus be more knowledgeable of ways to get porn for free. We now have people in their twenties who can't even remember not having an internet connection. Ten years from now, the same will go for men in their thirties. And make no mistake: a better knowledge of the internet translates directly into a better knowledge of ways to get free porn.

Take a look at this:
http://www.ovguide.com/adult-visits-alltime.html

Now ask yourself: how many men need more porn than they can get there for free? And how many men discover those sites every day?

The idea that things will get better is a fantasy. Ratios will keep dropping.

Of course, consolidation will still benefit some in this industry, and others will continue to dominate specific niches and be less affected than the mainstream. Aside from that, making a decent living as a small-scale entrepreneur in adult might be harder than it used to be, but it's still quite possible. So the industry does have a future - albeit one that isn't too bright for many.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Is this the adapt or die thread?

appears to be so

[hawkadu]

Originally Posted by bjlover

I wonder if there is a transport forum somewhere and some dumb ass is asking if people are going to revert back to the horse and cart?

Anyone with even 1/2 a brain cell can see why sales have fallen. In case you have missed the 1000,000 threads on here about tubes I'll give you a clue.

Tubes are better than most pay sites and they offer videos in a format surfers want, they have more updates and often better quality.

Oh and they are free

I didn't ask what you are replying. I asked about the industry state, not horse and carts. Tubes are not the sole reason for the fall and please don't act like you are the one who run the whole industry.

I've seen numerous threads about the tubes and in your opinion All the pay sites will die because of the tubes because tubes are better. Now can you please tell me from where the Tubes are getting the content? Lots are them are getting the content from pay sites. If tubes will not make sales, how the fuck they will cover bandwidth and other expenses? No one is going to run Tubes for few cents.

Every business has a model and the revenue is a must. if revenue fall to shit, business will close. It is possible that the model of business has shifted to tubes but selling something has to be involved If you want to run any business in the world. You are thinking it the wrong way. Tubes are killing the industry, that's right but don't you think that on-line buyers are increasing day by day ?

There are lots of dudes who are still pushing galleries and making a fortune. Even dudes are still making money off AVS

If I am all wrong and If this industry dies and solely gets dependent on tubes, I'll leave it. That's all I can say.

[kane]

I have said before and still believe that at some point we will over-saturate and it will force us to change. when you give away a ton of free porn it leaves you with very limited sales opportunities. It is only a matter of time before those dry up or stagnate. When that happens the revenue from tube sites will start to get lower and lower and they will be forced to either radically change how they do business or we will start to see them going out of business.

I think you can look at a site like YouTube as a great examples If YouTube didn't have Google's fat pockets behind it, chances are it would either be radically different or gone today. From what I have read it costs Google millions just to keep that site alive, but they do it for the exposure and the user information. You can also see other sites that are now going to start charging for some content. Many online newspapers will soon be charging a fee to read them. They found out giving away everything is not all that profitable after all. Will it work? Not at first. Some people will pay, but most will just go other places to get that news, but that shift in freeloaders could cause these other sources to have higher costs, but reduced income and they quickly may make the change.

Change is coming. Free is not a plan that can last forever.

[onwebcam]

I miss my caddy

[halfpint]

Im seeing more and more tubes where the user pays for a premium account so the tubes are already changing into something smiliar to a paysite

[ruff]

No question the tubes hurt business, but the last few months when sales dramatically declined, I would put off to the credit card companies raising their rates, capping peoples credit lines and, generally fucking over anyone who has a card before the government regulations go into effect this February. Not many outfits can continue to run tube sites without content and certainly not without generating income. The sources of their free content have to survive to feed the machine! It's another shakeout, you just have to hunker down.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by hawkadu

I didn't ask what you are replying. I asked about the industry state, not horse and carts. Tubes are not the sole reason for the fall and please don't act like you are the one who run the whole industry.

I've seen numerous threads about the tubes and in your opinion All the pay sites will die because of the tubes because tubes are better. Now can you please tell me from where the Tubes are getting the content? Lots are them are getting the content from pay sites. If tubes will not make sales, how the fuck they will cover bandwidth and other expenses? No one is going to run Tubes for few cents.

Every business has a model and the revenue is a must. if revenue fall to shit, business will close. It is possible that the model of business has shifted to tubes but selling something has to be involved If you want to run any business in the world. You are thinking it the wrong way. Tubes are killing the industry, that's right but don't you think that on-line buyers are increasing day by day ?

There are lots of dudes who are still pushing galleries and making a fortune. Even dudes are still making money off AVS

If I am all wrong and If this industry dies and solely gets dependent on tubes, I'll leave it. That's all I can say.

You don't get it.

As long as tubes are able to make a reasonable profit, they will continue to exist - regardless of the influence they have on the rest of the industry.

Tubes with a "premium" option and lots of ads will continue to make a profit even if sales to other paysites are virtually non-existent. Adult dating, penis enlargement, gambling, dating guides, cams, biz ops, sex guides, escort listings, sex toys - there are plenty of options other than paysite sales to generate income purely based on traffic numbers.

You say nobody is going to run tubes for a few cents, but that leads to an inevitable question: why not? If something can generate enough income to cover bandwidth costs and employee costs, and generate a reasonable income on top of that, someone will run it.

[EscortBiz]

bigger problems than tubes are those who destroyed this business by robbing the customer, tens of millions of people have been robbed in the past 10 years by adult sites, these people wont join again.

[FrozenJag]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I miss my caddy

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

bigger problems than tubes are those who destroyed this business by robbing the customer, tens of millions of people have been robbed in the past 10 years by adult sites, these people wont join again.

Bingo.

The free porn argument has never held water.

Every step of the way free porn has been an option for surfers. Back when members areas focused on photos, we had an absolutely endless supply of free photos on the TGPs. Yet people still bought.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how free videos kills porn sales, yet free photos didn't do it several years ago for the photo paysites. Good luck explaining that one.