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tonyparra · 06-14-2009, 02:09 PM

Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

Barefootsies · 06-14-2009, 02:36 PM

If you can't "sell" a site on teasers. You can't sell.

Save yourself the time, trouble and frustration. Just go back to super sizing fries.

tonyparra · 06-14-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

If you can't "sell" a site on teasers. You can't sell.

Save yourself the time, trouble and frustration. Just go back to super sizing fries.

Um Mr. Surfer I Barefootsies considers you to be an idiot. My sales skills are so good i can make you want to watch my 30 second clip even though you have easy access to 5 min and longers clips. Enjoy.

Barefootsies · 06-14-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Um Mr. Surfer I Barefootsies considers you to be an idiot. My sales skills are so good i can make you want to watch my 30 second clip even though you have easy access to 5 min and longers clips. Enjoy.

I only use 30 second promo clips, and convert just fine.

Despite all this 'free porn', all the hardcore nudes, and 5-20 minute clips out there on the endless number of tubes you boast about in your rebuttal.

Guess I just know my traffic, and how to convert a sale.

*shrug*

tonyparra · 06-14-2009, 08:07 PM

you da man.

96ukssob · 06-14-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

you think you will be able to get more sales with 5 minute long videos than 30-60 second clips?

most people download the 5 minute long clips and just get right to the action part and skip the first 4 minutes

Barefootsies · 06-14-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

most people download the 5 minute long clips and just get right to the action part and skip the first 4 minutes

Then bust a nut. Wash their hands. Change their panties. Go on with their day.

(i.e. no sign up)

XXXMovie4M · 06-14-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

so let me get this right, a sponsor has to show a 5 minute sample from a 15 minute video in order to sell a membership but hollywood only uses 30 second trailer clips to promote 2+hour movies?

with your philosophy hollywood would have to start making 30 minute trailers or no one would go see the movie!

stop being an ass!

SilentKnight · 06-14-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

Sounds like something a disgruntled surfer would moan about.

fujiko · 06-14-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by barefootsies

then bust a nut. Wash their hands. Change their panties. Go on with their day.

(i.e. No sign up)

hahahahahaha

tonyparra · 06-14-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Sounds like something a disgruntled surfer would moan about.

probably

NinjaSteve · 06-14-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

so let me get this right, a sponsor has to show a 5 minute sample from a 15 minute video in order to sell a membership but hollywood only uses 30 second trailer clips to promote 2+hour movies?

with your philosophy hollywood would have to start making 30 minute trailers or no one would go see the movie!

stop being an ass!

You know what, I never thought if it this way. 5 minutes of preview is pretty long.

But on the other hand... we aren't selling just a 15 minute video, we are selling an entire site full of many pics + vids by using that 5 minute video preview.

papagmp · 06-15-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

Just because you stole my car, doesn't mean I have to fill the tank too.

prezzz · 06-15-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

But on the other hand... we aren't selling just a 15 minute video, we are selling an entire site full of many pics + vids by using that 5 minute video preview.

Thinking this way, aren't you missing out on those impulse buyers who liked that one particular preview clip, thinking "holy fuck, I want to see the full one"? That's a large slice of the pie - and if you get someone to sign up based on quality instead of quantity, you'll have a faithful rebiller.

Sarah_Jayne · 06-15-2009, 04:12 AM

So, are you trying to actually sell or just a surfer wanting more to wank to for free?

papagmp · 06-15-2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

So, are you trying to actually sell or just a surfer wanting more to wank to for free?

People that don't know how to sell - always need more "sales material" to get that one sale.

tonyparra · 06-18-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

So, are you trying to actually sell or just a surfer wanting more to wank to for free?

Trying to sell a unique niche product and irritated that the tools are not there to what i want. Where did i say 5 min clips?

tonyparra · 06-18-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by papagmp

People that don't know how to sell - always need more "sales material" to get that one sale.

As competition in any field increases so must your willingness to beat your competition with better products and tools for your sales force.

seanchai · 06-18-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

As competition in any field increases so must your willingness to beat your competition with better products and tools for your sales force.

Bollocks, show me where showing more material sells better than teasers?
Tube traffic is crap and most of the people surfing tubes are looking for free content and for a quick wank.
Sounds like your failing to make sales and blaming the content and program owners, when many other people are making sales, without that content.

Webmaster Army · 06-18-2009, 07:02 PM

I don't see anywhere that he said 30 second clips were useless, he said not to pass them off as legal tube clips. You can't make a tube site of any substantial size from that shit.

tonyparra · 06-18-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

so let me get this right, a sponsor has to show a 5 minute sample from a 15 minute video in order to sell a membership but hollywood only uses 30 second trailer clips to promote 2+hour movies?

with your philosophy hollywood would have to start making 30 minute trailers or no one would go see the movie!

stop being an ass!

Yes hollywood uses 30 second high impact trailers. Actually most trailers are about a minute which is fine. I said 30 second is too short. I never said anything about 5 mins or 10 mins etc which i think is too long. 1 to 3 min clips work better, and im happy with those, but very few have them. Its either to short or way too long. I understand the art the "tease". The tease leads to the sale. I dont want to give away sales. Thanks.

SBJ · 06-18-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

so let me get this right, a sponsor has to show a 5 minute sample from a 15 minute video in order to sell a membership but hollywood only uses 30 second trailer clips to promote 2+hour movies?

with your philosophy hollywood would have to start making 30 minute trailers or no one would go see the movie!

stop being an ass!

haha EXACTLY! I think it's dumb to say give me 5+ mins of video or I won't promote you.. I don't make flv's to use at all right now but i have video galleries and guess what it's 4 clips that are each 12-15 seconds long and tease the fuck out of the surfers. I would never give out the pop shot as it's called in a promo video and if you do then why would a surfer want to join when they have already seen the movie..

tonyparra · 06-18-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SBJ

haha EXACTLY! I think it's dumb to say give me 5+ mins of video or I won't promote you.. I don't make flv's to use at all right now but i have video galleries and guess what it's 4 clips that are each 12-15 seconds long and tease the fuck out of the surfers. I would never give out the pop shot as it's called in a promo video and if you do then why would a surfer want to join when they have already seen the movie..

I agree with this. But it also depends on what your selling to who. Im fine with video galleries with 4 clip etc. I dont promote them much anymore but i think they are great. Can anyone point to where i said anything about 5+ mins of video? I should have clarified. It should read please give better quality teaser clips. Im of the opinion that a good teaser clip is actually 45 sec to 1 min long, i.e. bangbros, which sells at under 1.:400 for me. I prefer to have some that are on to 1 to 3 mins but no longer and im not asking for the "money shot". This post should be mostly directed at sponsors who offer legal tube clips that are 30 secs and do a shitty job of teasing the surfer.

tonyparra · 06-18-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by seanchai

Bollocks, show me where showing more material sells better than teasers?
Tube traffic is crap and most of the people surfing tubes are looking for free content and for a quick wank.
Sounds like your failing to make sales and blaming the content and program owners, when many other people are making sales, without that content.

Who said show more material. Make better teaser content. Hollywood trailers are have always been the same length. But have you noticed great the trailers are getting nowadays? If your gonna do 30 secs it better wow surfer or hes gone. Same goes for 1 min or 5 mins. Would i use 5 min clips maybe. But i currently dont. I make sales, maybe not like some of you guys but i get a better understanding of this shit as i go. I just want better more appealing none cookie cutter shit.

SBJ · 06-18-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Yes hollywood uses 30 second high impact trailers. Actually most trailers are about a minute which is fine. I said 30 second is too short. I never said anything about 5 mins or 10 mins etc which i think is too long. 1 to 3 min clips work better, and im happy with those, but very few have them. Its either to short or way too long. I understand the art the "tease". The tease leads to the sale. I dont want to give away sales. Thanks.

ok great.. yes 1-3 min teasers are a good idea

Realgfs · 11-18-2009, 04:25 AM

We make our clips up to 25 minutes long, both on tube sites, and the hosted flvs we give our affiliates, so maybe you will like our sites!

SubAms · 11-18-2009, 04:46 AM

I use 30 second to 1 minute teasers and they work just fine thanks

Flash Embedded Videos

In supermarkets they give you a little cube of cheese as a sample, not half the block

CamTraffic · 11-18-2009, 05:41 AM

If only you spent more time actually working than posting on boards....

tonyparra · 11-21-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic

If only you spent more time actually working than posting on boards....

ditto but i do more work than you would know bro

Loch · 11-21-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

Um Mr. Surfer I Barefootsies considers you to be an idiot. My sales skills are so good i can make you want to watch my 30 second clip even though you have easy access to 5 min and longers clips. Enjoy.

So why would you need them

Besides most have longer ones now and most can and will give you custom material if you request it.
One of the problems in giving out huge clips to everyone is that the poor webmaster will take those and completely ruin the good webmasters opportunaties to make good money.

Ask and you shall receive.

D Ghost · 11-21-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

If you can't "sell" a site on teasers. You can't sell.

Save yourself the time, trouble and frustration. Just go back to super sizing fries.

owned.

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tonyparra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In your back seat with duck tape Posts: 4,568	Dear Sponsor and Paysite Owners: Please stop with the shitty 30 sec promo clips and trying to pass them off as legal tube clips. If your gonna get in the water, just dive right in, instead of dabbling a toe to test the water. Its not like your shit isnt already all over the net on illegal tubes anyways. IMO.

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Webmaster Army Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 236	I don't see anywhere that he said 30 second clips were useless, he said not to pass them off as legal tube clips. You can't make a tube site of any substantial size from that shit.