I love CCBILL, but maybe regional pricing is fucking things up.... - GoFuckYourself.com

Iron Fist · 11-22-2009, 01:35 AM

Here's a thought, coming from a surfer point of view. I like this site, so I get to the join page, and go through the motions and it's telling me one price all the way until I hit the CCBILL join page. Then, once the CCBILL join page loads, it gives me a completely different price, almost double in value than what was advertised, and a feeling comes over me, like... disgust, and that i'm being ripped off...

I don't know about you, but when you advertise $2.95 for two days access and I hit the join page and it comes up $4.39 USD for 2 days (non-recurring), i'd say that is VERY significant and is probably contributing to another reason why ratios have gone to complete shit with CCBILL.

rowan · 11-22-2009, 01:44 AM

You're right to feel ripped off since that's pretty much what regional pricing does.

NetHorse · 11-22-2009, 02:03 AM

I jackoff to regional pricing

Les Grossman · 11-22-2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Here's a thought, coming from a surfer point of view. I like this site, so I get to the join page, and go through the motions and it's telling me one price all the way until I hit the CCBILL join page. Then, once the CCBILL join page loads, it gives me a completely different price, almost double in value than what was advertised, and a feeling comes over me, like... disgust, and that i'm being ripped off...

I don't know about you, but when you advertise $2.95 for two days access and I hit the join page and it comes up $4.39 USD for 2 days (non-recurring), i'd say that is VERY significant and is probably contributing to another reason why ratios have gone to complete shit with CCBILL.

As long as it's not a pre checked cross sale, it's all good. Right?

There are so many scams in this business, this is just one more of them, wrapped pretty by some upstanding guys with a solid business.

wtfent · 11-22-2009, 02:33 AM

I always wondered about this. Is the extra money really worth it? I got a $112 sale yesterday for a $79.95 membership. I still don't understand how that works, I just like the extra profit. Is this standard practice I wonder? Do most sites use regional pricing?

Mutt · 11-22-2009, 02:36 AM

i don't do regional pricing and won't

redwhiteandblue · 11-22-2009, 02:37 AM

I read a thread on a surfer forum and this came up as one of the things surfers hate.

wtfent · 11-22-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i don't do regional pricing and won't

Thanks for the input. I'm really considering stopping it, I just need to know a bit more about it first. To me it kind of feels like I'm pulling a fast one on the customer but yet I still get so many foreign sign ups.

hypedough · 11-22-2009, 02:46 AM

According to all those Epoch-bashing threads, CCBill is the end all and be all.

JimmiDean · 11-22-2009, 06:13 AM

We tried it.
Did not like it and dropped it.
I am sure some are making ground with it but for the exact same reasons mentioned above (the price adjustment 2.95-4.39 etc) we decided to abandon the whole idea.

Pixelbucks Eric · 11-22-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Here's a thought, coming from a surfer point of view. I like this site, so I get to the join page, and go through the motions and it's telling me one price all the way until I hit the CCBILL join page. Then, once the CCBILL join page loads, it gives me a completely different price, almost double in value than what was advertised, and a feeling comes over me, like... disgust, and that i'm being ripped off...

I don't know about you, but when you advertise $2.95 for two days access and I hit the join page and it comes up $4.39 USD for 2 days (non-recurring), i'd say that is VERY significant and is probably contributing to another reason why ratios have gone to complete shit with CCBILL.

Regional pricing is a CHOICE. You don't HAVE to use it. So the three options you have are:

1. use regional pricing and don't put any price on your tours
2. don't use regional pricing
3. leave it the way it is

TheDA · 11-22-2009, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Here's a thought, coming from a surfer point of view. I like this site, so I get to the join page, and go through the motions and it's telling me one price all the way until I hit the CCBILL join page. Then, once the CCBILL join page loads, it gives me a completely different price, almost double in value than what was advertised, and a feeling comes over me, like... disgust, and that i'm being ripped off...

I don't know about you, but when you advertise $2.95 for two days access and I hit the join page and it comes up $4.39 USD for 2 days (non-recurring), i'd say that is VERY significant and is probably contributing to another reason why ratios have gone to complete shit with CCBILL.

I think people using regional and localised pricing need to remove the pricing from the tour.

JamesK · 11-22-2009, 06:55 AM

It's very fucked up from a customer pov, but I doubt that's the reason why CCBill converts worse. I think it's more a scrubbing issue as declines always seemed higher at CCBill.

signbucks · 11-22-2009, 09:08 AM

agree
regional pricing sucks in the way it's now

Joshua G · 11-22-2009, 11:05 AM

doesn't the surfer see a local price & not a price converted to USD? if you have a tour promoting a USD price then yeah thats an issue. but if you just let the CCbill join page provide the price then who is the wiser?

Bossman · 11-22-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pixelbucks Eric

1. use regional pricing and don't put any price on your tours

This works

Agent 488 · 11-22-2009, 11:21 AM

surfs up.

fuzebox · 11-22-2009, 03:43 PM

The canadian prices are always the weirdest because it's as if CCBill thinks they are still in 2000 with a 1.6x exchange rate...

CyberHustler · 11-22-2009, 03:49 PM

andrej_NDC · 11-22-2009, 06:47 PM

Yes, it really sucks. It sucks that a car that costs $30k in the US costs 30k euro in Europe. Where have the world come to, billing each customer a different price, this must be something new, as just yesterday the same product did cost the same in every country in the world. Oh wait, it didn't. Sometimes you just need to think, to use your brain.

Iron Fist · 11-22-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Yes, it really sucks. It sucks that a car that costs $30k in the US costs 30k euro in Europe. Where have the world come to, billing each customer a different price, this must be something new, as just yesterday the same product did cost the same in every country in the world. Oh wait, it didn't. Sometimes you just need to think, to use your brain.

You missing the point.... my point is if that car has a price tag on it but because all of a sudden at the last minute you learn i'm Canadian and then decide to change the price to add 40% more... that's what it's like right now....

But I think the solution has already presented itself, by avoiding putting any pricing on the tour, it doesn't set an expectation, and that I think will help conversions.

andrej_NDC · 11-23-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

You missing the point.... my point is if that car has a price tag on it but because all of a sudden at the last minute you learn i'm Canadian and then decide to change the price to add 40% more... that's what it's like right now....

But I think the solution has already presented itself, by avoiding putting any pricing on the tour, it doesn't set an expectation, and that I think will help conversions.

The car can have a price tag, just no currency.

SleazyDream · 11-23-2009, 05:09 AM

i think it would all depend on what you're selling, it would work for some and not for others

SleazyDream · 11-23-2009, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

You missing the point.... my point is if that car has a price tag on it but because all of a sudden at the last minute you learn i'm Canadian and then decide to change the price to add 40% more... that's what it's like right now....

But I think the solution has already presented itself, by avoiding putting any pricing on the tour, it doesn't set an expectation, and that I think will help conversions.

that is - IN FACT - what happens to me as a canadian when i buy a car - americans get them for about 30-40% less

Barefootsies · 11-23-2009, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I read a thread on a surfer forum and this came up as one of the things surfers hate.

No one gives a shit about 'surfers' other than traffic guys.

BROgrams, and site owners should only care about consumers who BUY. Not all freeloaders are buying customers, and it is just one more excuse as to why they do not sign up.

Looking at your customer base like it is one collective of all the same intentions, and interests, is part of the problem in this business. As if ALL consumers think the same. More over, I do not think the vast majority of sites out there actually DO regional pricing on their cascades.

It is one more scapegoat for having shitty content, banging in credit cards, ripping off members, or promoting sites that have not been updated since 2001 and/or being out of touch with what the BUYING public want in their content.

It is not to say regional pricing does not have some effect in the grand scheme of things. But considering what I just mentioned, along with economy, and credit crunch/declines are bigger factors by far.

seeandsee · 11-23-2009, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

I jackoff to regional pricing

rowan · 11-23-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

doesn't the surfer see a local price & not a price converted to USD? if you have a tour promoting a USD price then yeah thats an issue. but if you just let the CCbill join page provide the price then who is the wiser?

When an astute surfer rejects ccbill's exchange rate and decides to buy in USD instead, then sees the price is something unusual like $USD3.58...

How do review sites cope with regional pricing? That's got to hurt some of their sales.

BVF · 11-23-2009, 06:04 AM

I can't believe it's gotten so bad to where people are actually blaming regional pricing for low sales.....If the owner of a site you're pushing with regional pricing puts his price on the tour, then he's a fucking moron and you shouldn't be promoting it in the first place.

I've NEVER placed a price on my tour....It's my job to sell the customer to the point to get him to click on the join link.....You never tell the price until you absolutely have to and by then, you should've already sold the customer enough to where he/she will accept the price...

The other day, I got a $141 sale off of my $99 option....I regularly get $40 sales from my $29.99 option.....Europeans will pay 99 euros just like Americans will pay 99 dollars.....However, the person who has his price on the tour with regional pricing is just shooting himself in the foot.

Here's what a regional pricing sale looks like...Just got this from my email inbox..

Transaction type: Rebill
Date order: Tuesday, October 28th 19:47:04 2008
Product:
Total price: 42.32

This particular customer was from France.....That was an affiliate sale so he gets 60% of that......And I'm sure that he would rather get a cut of 42 rather than a cut of 30 and as you can see, it's been rebilling for over a year now......In these times, it is a definite plus to see sales like that come in.....It's nothing but free money....I've turned it on from the beginning and haven't looked back....

james_clickmemedia · 11-23-2009, 07:33 AM

I was under the impression that regional pricing was configurable...

fuzebox · 11-23-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Yes, it really sucks. It sucks that a car that costs $30k in the US costs 30k euro in Europe.

I'm fine with charging the same in euroes as in dollars... It's when they start doing higher price points for Canada, Australia etc that I think affects sales from those countries.

webmasterchecks · 11-23-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia

I was under the impression that regional pricing was configurable...

yes, it can be configured as needed.

Its funny that people are giving CCBill grief about an optional tool that they offer that their clients can use to increase their revenue potential

Elli · 11-23-2009, 09:10 AM

I've been using regional pricing on my own site since the feature came out, and it's been great. I don't mention a price on my tour, just tell the customer exactly what to expect. so by the time they get to the join page, there are no surprises.

11-22-2009, 01:35 AM	#1
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	I love CCBILL, but maybe regional pricing is fucking things up.... Here's a thought, coming from a surfer point of view. I like this site, so I get to the join page, and go through the motions and it's telling me one price all the way until I hit the CCBILL join page. Then, once the CCBILL join page loads, it gives me a completely different price, almost double in value than what was advertised, and a feeling comes over me, like... disgust, and that i'm being ripped off... I don't know about you, but when you advertise $2.95 for two days access and I hit the join page and it comes up $4.39 USD for 2 days (non-recurring), i'd say that is VERY significant and is probably contributing to another reason why ratios have gone to complete shit with CCBILL. __________________ i like waffles

11-22-2009, 02:03 AM	#3
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11-22-2009, 02:33 AM	#5
wtfent Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego, Cali. baby!!! Posts: 3,790	I always wondered about this. Is the extra money really worth it? I got a $112 sale yesterday for a $79.95 membership. I still don't understand how that works, I just like the extra profit. Is this standard practice I wonder? Do most sites use regional pricing? __________________ ThisWillShockYou.com DVD Store - TWSY UNCENSORED ICQ# 194020367 E-mail: shockingbucks(AT)gmail.com Promote something different!! Shocking Bucks

11-22-2009, 02:36 AM	#6
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11-22-2009, 02:37 AM	#7
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11-22-2009, 01:44 AM	#2
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	You're right to feel ripped off since that's pretty much what regional pricing does.

11-22-2009, 02:46 AM	#9
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11-22-2009, 06:13 AM	#10
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	We tried it. Did not like it and dropped it. I am sure some are making ground with it but for the exact same reasons mentioned above (the price adjustment 2.95-4.39 etc) we decided to abandon the whole idea. __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

11-22-2009, 06:55 AM	#13
JamesK hi Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,731	It's very fucked up from a customer pov, but I doubt that's the reason why CCBill converts worse. I think it's more a scrubbing issue as declines always seemed higher at CCBill. __________________ M3Server - NATS Hosting

11-22-2009, 09:08 AM	#14
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11-22-2009, 11:05 AM	#15
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	doesn't the surfer see a local price & not a price converted to USD? if you have a tour promoting a USD price then yeah thats an issue. but if you just let the CCbill join page provide the price then who is the wiser?

11-22-2009, 11:21 AM	#17
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	surfs up.

11-22-2009, 03:43 PM	#18
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,017	The canadian prices are always the weirdest because it's as if CCBill thinks they are still in 2000 with a 1.6x exchange rate...

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11-22-2009, 06:47 PM	#20
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Yes, it really sucks. It sucks that a car that costs $30k in the US costs 30k euro in Europe. Where have the world come to, billing each customer a different price, this must be something new, as just yesterday the same product did cost the same in every country in the world. Oh wait, it didn't. Sometimes you just need to think, to use your brain.

11-23-2009, 05:09 AM	#23
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11-23-2009, 06:04 AM	#28
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I can't believe it's gotten so bad to where people are actually blaming regional pricing for low sales.....If the owner of a site you're pushing with regional pricing puts his price on the tour, then he's a fucking moron and you shouldn't be promoting it in the first place. I've NEVER placed a price on my tour....It's my job to sell the customer to the point to get him to click on the join link.....You never tell the price until you absolutely have to and by then, you should've already sold the customer enough to where he/she will accept the price... The other day, I got a $141 sale off of my $99 option....I regularly get $40 sales from my $29.99 option.....Europeans will pay 99 euros just like Americans will pay 99 dollars.....However, the person who has his price on the tour with regional pricing is just shooting himself in the foot. Here's what a regional pricing sale looks like...Just got this from my email inbox.. Transaction type: Rebill Date order: Tuesday, October 28th 19:47:04 2008 Product: Total price: 42.32 This particular customer was from France.....That was an affiliate sale so he gets 60% of that......And I'm sure that he would rather get a cut of 42 rather than a cut of 30 and as you can see, it's been rebilling for over a year now......In these times, it is a definite plus to see sales like that come in.....It's nothing but free money....I've turned it on from the beginning and haven't looked back.... __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!! Last edited by BVF; 11-23-2009 at 06:06 AM..

11-23-2009, 07:33 AM	#29
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11-23-2009, 09:10 AM	#32
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	I've been using regional pricing on my own site since the feature came out, and it's been great. I don't mention a price on my tour, just tell the customer exactly what to expect. so by the time they get to the join page, there are no surprises. __________________ Make More Money with Cams and Dating at FFN.com! email: [email protected]