Merry Christmas from Taylor Swift

[NaughtyRob]

This is for POed-poster or whatever his name is...

Taylor Swift's rendition of the awesome George Michael song. She didnt sing it as good but its nice anyway.



and another cause she's so sexy.

[Agent 488]

thanks man. cheered me up a bit. going to have a nice sleep with that tune dancing in my mind.

[fatfoo]

Taylor Swift = good voice. I adore her talent. Enough said.

Or enough is said. Or it is said enough. Sometimes I like to shorten that phrase to 'snuff said. Uuuhh... what? Joking.

[TheDoc]

Who is that chick? Damn, she is kind of hot.

[NaughtyRob]

Indeed very hot...

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Who is that chick? Damn, she is kind of hot.

[LoveSandra]

Merry Christmas

[Maqua]

Agreed very very nice Merry Christmas!!

[Nurgle]

god damn she is so smoking hot

[sex69]

Yeah, she is hot, Merry Christmas.

[MindWaste]

Here is my christmas song for ya'll .........

[Cash]

Merry Christmas

[VeriSexy]

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

Indeed very hot...

She is smoking indeed

[nAtuRaLbEautY]

I love her. I like her song "white horse" .

[Raf1]

is she a model turned singer or something like that? She's hot but her voice is nothing special. Nice to look at anyway

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by Raf1

is she a model turned singer or something like that? She's hot but her voice is nothing special. Nice to look at anyway

She's a rich girl with a connected daddy and daddy bought her a record deal. In 10 years she's another Debbie WHO Gibson? When all the little 12 year old girls who beg mommy and daddy to buy her CDs start discovering boys, she'll be fucking history. Good fucking riddance.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

This is for POed-poster or whatever his name is...

Taylor Swift's rendition of the awesome George Michael song. She didnt sing it as good but its nice anyway.

I guess I get the last laugh then coz I ain't a-clickin'. HAHAHAHA!

I'll bet you're over 40. Shame on you for lusting after a teenager.

[Bojangles]

Merry Christmas to all...

[kane]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

She's a rich girl with a connected daddy and daddy bought her a record deal. In 10 years she's another Debbie WHO Gibson? When all the little 12 year old girls who beg mommy and daddy to buy her CDs start discovering boys, she'll be fucking history. Good fucking riddance.

I might bed to differ on that. I'm not a huge fan of hers, she has a few songs I like, but country music is not really my thing. Still, her dad might have been able to get some connections and get her a record deal, but a rich dad doesn't make you a world wide superstar. Look, for example, at Brooke Hogan. Her dad is famous, and has spent a ton of money trying to turn her into a big music star and it hasn't worked.

Having a rich dad with connections doesn't translate into selling out a world wide arena concert tour in minutes. Maybe in 10 years she will be gone. Maybe not. But really, when you look at it (and if you are involved in the music business you know this) the shelf life of most big musical acts is about 5-7 years. They have a few hits records, then fade away. There are some that last and others that get huge then drop down and are small again, but keep going. They make a living, but aren't major stars. 10 years is a very long time in the music business.

Here are the charts from about this time of year in 2000
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-...ate=2000-12-17

Of the top 10 maybe 1 or 2 of them are still around and you could argue of those 2 Faith Hill, while still big, is nothing like she was then and Beyonce is big, but Destiny's Child is broken up. The rest have faded away and I'm sure there are people on there most people don't ever remember hearing of.

So in reality most musicians would dream of having Debbie Gibson's career. Most musical acts,no matter how talented or driven, burn out and fade away.

Swift has a young audience, but she also has a lot of older fans. She will have to hope the younger fans stay with her as they get older (and that is a very hard thing to do), but country music is one of those things where a lot of times fans stay loyal to an act.

And even if she disappears in a few years she will have already sold more records and concert tickets than 99% of musical acts ever will. Daddy's money can get her in the door. But it doesn't buy success like that.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by kane

I might bed to differ on that. I'm not a huge fan of hers, she has a few songs I like, but country music is not really my thing. Still, her dad might have been able to get some connections and get her a record deal, but a rich dad doesn't make you a world wide superstar. Look, for example, at Brooke Hogan. Her dad is famous, and has spent a ton of money trying to turn her into a big music star and it hasn't worked.

Having a rich dad with connections doesn't translate into selling out a world wide arena concert tour in minutes. Maybe in 10 years she will be gone. Maybe not. But really, when you look at it (and if you are involved in the music business you know this) the shelf life of most big musical acts is about 5-7 years. They have a few hits records, then fade away. There are some that last and others that get huge then drop down and are small again, but keep going. They make a living, but aren't major stars. 10 years is a very long time in the music business.

Here are the charts from about this time of year in 2000
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-...ate=2000-12-17

Of the top 10 maybe 1 or 2 of them are still around and you could argue of those 2 Faith Hill, while still big, is nothing like she was then and Beyonce is big, but Destiny's Child is broken up. The rest have faded away and I'm sure there are people on there most people don't ever remember hearing of.

So in reality most musicians would dream of having Debbie Gibson's career. Most musical acts,no matter how talented or driven, burn out and fade away.

Swift has a young audience, but she also has a lot of older fans. She will have to hope the younger fans stay with her as they get older (and that is a very hard thing to do), but country music is one of those things where a lot of times fans stay loyal to an act.

And even if she disappears in a few years she will have already sold more records and concert tickets than 99% of musical acts ever will. Daddy's money can get her in the door. But it doesn't buy success like that.

I agree with you that no amount of money can make people like you as an artist and yes, people like Taylor. But her fan base consists of mainly pre-teen girls, the same kinds of fans that Leif Garrett and David Cassidy had. Those fans tend to grow out of their obsessions. But being popular doesn't mean that you have any talent. He singing is average and her songs are mainly written by professional song writers. That is how it's done in Nashville. Sure she gets lots of co-writes, but that doesn't mean she contributed more to the song than ideas. A lot of it is also business. Artists demand and usually get co-writes when they didn't write any of the song. Rob Thomas didn't write 'Smooth' and John Denver didn't writer 'Country Roads'. There are also cases of outright theft. I know a guy who had a song stolen by Brooks and Dunn. He sued and ended up settling for 45K when he realized that all the musicologists in town were going to side with the label (because the label had deep pockets). The music industry is as crooked as any industry out there, outright thieves.

[kane]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

I agree with you that no amount of money can make people like you as an artist and yes, people like Taylor. But her fan base consists of mainly pre-teen girls, the same kinds of fans that Leif Garrett and David Cassidy had. Those fans tend to grow out of their obsessions. But being popular doesn't mean that you have any talent. He singing is average and her songs are mainly written by professional song writers. That is how it's done in Nashville. Sure she gets lots of co-writes, but that doesn't mean she contributed more to the song than ideas. A lot of it is also business. Artists demand and usually get co-writes when they didn't write any of the song. Rob Thomas didn't write 'Smooth' and John Denver didn't writer 'Country Roads'. There are also cases of outright theft. I know a guy who had a song stolen by Brooks and Dunn. He sued and ended up settling for 45K when he realized that all the musicologists in town were going to side with the label (because the label had deep pockets). The music industry is as crooked as any industry out there, outright thieves.

For sure the music industry is crooked. If you haven't read it you should read a book called Hit Men. It is about the music business and some of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on. In one part there is a story about an artist going to his label and demanding to be paid his royalties. The label head says instead of paying him what he was owed ( I think it was about 5K) he would give him this new Cadillac that was downstairs. He threw the guys the keys, the guy was happy as could be and left. The label head then got on the phone and told security to never let that guy back in the building. The car he had just given him was a rental car so he would be finding out real soon he didn't get to keep it and would be pissed.

I would disagree with you about her level of talent. I don't know enough about her to know how much she has written and how much she hasn't written. I think there are always two sides to every story. Like Avril Lavigne saying she wrote about 90% her hit song Complicated and the song writers that got co-credit say she only contributed one line to it. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

To me part of talent is being able to connect with an audience and make the song real. While kids are more impressionable than adults for some things, they don't really fake who they like when it comes to music and movies and stuff like that. If you can get 40,000 people to pay to watch you sing live in concert, you have some talent in my book.

And I think she has a good voice. It isn't technically great, but it is honest and kind of raw. Then again I love Dylan, Neil Young and Tom Waits. I would rather hear a singer that isn't too great vocally sing something to me that is real than hear a technically perfect singer sing some kind of stuff you can't connect with.

Maybe she has too many young fans for her to last. Maybe she doesn't, but most acts have their core audience and eventually most of that audience leaves you and you have to find a new one.

Here is a great example. Hootie and the Blowfish. The were a small band, then had a huge record and exploded. Their fans weren't kids, they were mostly adults. That record sold like crazy and they toured the world and were one of the biggest bands on the planet for a few years. Then 5 years later they were nowhere to be seen. The audience is fickle and most acts don't hold on to fans,young or old, for very long.

[RadicalSights]

oh my...

[Sarah_Jayne]

NOT clicking...see my thread last week on most annoying Christmas songs for why.

btw..it is a Wham song not just a George Micheal song which means we can blame TWO people for it.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

I'll bet you're over 40. Shame on you for lusting after a teenager.

I can live with the shame because she is so fucking hot!

[tranza]

She looks so cute..