Obama declares breathing and flatulence a danger to society

[onwebcam]

Grant it breathing some people's flatulence can be a danger but get ready for Obama's nazi "green police" to come a knocking

President Barack Obama has taken powers to cut emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from cars, factories and power plants across the United States.

The news dramatically improves the prospects of reaching a new agreement to combat global warming at the climate summit which opened in Copenhagen on Monday.

His administration formally declared that the gases "endanger the public health and welfare of the America people" empowering its Environment Protection Agency to regulate them across the country under the country's Clean Air Act, without having to get a hotly-contested climate bill through the US Congress.

Lisa Jackson, the agency's administrator, said the move "relied on decades of sound, peer-reviewed, extensively evaluated scientific data" which both "authorised and obligated" it to take reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

She called it "a reasonable and common-sense measure" that would "drive technology innovation for a better economy and protect the environment for a better future without placing an undue burden" on business.

She added: "It also means that we arrive at the climate talks in Copenhagen with a clear demonstration of our commitment to facing this global challenge. We hope that today's announcement serves as another incentive for far-reaching accords"

But Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, said that regulations under the Act would pose "a threat to every American family and business".

Late last month President Obama announced that the US was ready to cut emissions by 17 per cent on 2005 levels, boosting the prospects for agreement in Copenhagen. But until now that has been dependent on getting a bill through Congress.

A version of the bill was approved by the House of Representatives last summer, but the administration is struggling to get similar legislation through the Senate in the face of opposition from Republicans and some dissident Democrats from states with big oil, coal and car industries.

The new ruling gives Mr Obama the firepower to meet the target anyway. It also makes it much more likely that he will get the bill through Congress as the House bill would take away the agency's powers to regulate the gases and substitute a more flexible system which industry would greatly prefer.

It will also greatly improve the chances of getting a deal in Copenhagen, since other countries will now know that the US can deliver on any undertakings it makes there.

But Yvo de Boer, the Executive Secretary of the UN climate change negotiations, said that any agreement made in the Danish capital could still be a “suicide pact” for small low-lying island states that will disappear if sea levels rise. He added that the current target of the negotiations – to limit global warming to 2C (3.6F) – would also still result in floods, droughts and sea level rise.

“What the small island nations are telling us here is anything over 1.5 C increase will be a suicide pact for them because it means their nations disappearing,” he said.

On the opening day of negotiations in Copenhagen, Mr Boer said the threat to such vulnerable countries made it even more important to reach a deal.

“The clock has ticked down to zero. After two years of negotiations, the time has come to deliver,” he said. “Developing countries desperately need tangible immediate action on these crucial issues.”

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Committee on Climate Change, also said vulnerable people will suffer if temperatures rise by even a small amount.

“Some even question the goal of 2C as a ceiling because that would lead to sea level rise on account of thermal expansion alone of 0.4 to 1.4 metres,” he said. “This increase added to the effect melting of snow and ice across the globe, could submerge several small island states and Bangladesh.”

Speaking on behalf of the small island states Dessima Williams, the chief negotiator for Grenada, said the group would not accept a “made for TV” solution.

She called for a legal treaty that would commit rich countries to cutting their carbon emissions by between 25 to 40 per cent.

“We are here to save ourselves from burning and drowning,” she said. “We are here to work towards an ambitious outcome.”

Other vulnerable countries like Nepal and Bangladesh also claimed that 2C will leave millions of people homeless and called on the rich world to provide money to help them adapt as part of any deal.

Achim Steiner, the head of the UN Environment Programme, agreed 2C will put many parts of the world in danger.

He said the world may need to meet again to push for an even tougher target in the future.

“Maybe in three or four year’s time, as the science firms up we may have to accelerate forward and increase the target to keep the world safe,” he said.

But Connie Hedegaard, the president of the negotiations, was optimistic the world will reach a deal that prevents the worst effects of global warming.

She said rich countries are willing to sign up to ambitious targets to cut carbon at the same time as giving poor countries billions of pounds to adapt.

“Let’s mark this meeting in history. Let’s open the door to the low carbon age. Let’s get it done now,” she said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...use-gases.html

[SleazyDream]

why do I have to read this shit?

[_Richard_]

what.. i thought you guys proved global warming didn't exist

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

why do I have to read this shit?

Because you know you're being conned but you aren't quite sure what to do about it?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Because you know you're being conned but you aren't quite sure what to do about it?

conned by who.. it's a global treaty

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what.. i thought you guys proved global warming didn't exist

Anything that goes against these control freaks doing whatever it is they want to do isn't proof.

You can always invest in Al Gore and Obama's carbon trading scam/exchange.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9629

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

conned by who.. it's a global treaty

It's a World Government which we will ALL pay tribute to. So we can have even more "laws" the 1+ million we have on the books in the US isn't enough.

[Dcat]

The trees are going to be pissed.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It's a World Government which we will ALL pay tribute to. So we can have even more "laws" the 1+ million we have on the books in the US isn't enough.

for the sake of argument, what sort of information did you find on this whole NWO thing that hasn't been discovered via the internet?

2.5 years of negotiations that could very possibly fail doesn't sound like a big-bad NWO Government to me..

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

why do I have to read this shit?

..because soon you'll be doing more of your shopping at sites like this?

http://carbonpasses.com

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

for the sake of argument, what sort of information did you find on this whole NWO thing that hasn't been discovered via the internet?

2.5 years of negotiations that could very possibly fail doesn't sound like a big-bad NWO Government to me..

Read the treaty and get back with me. Count how many times it says "World Governance" and all of the things you will be paying for. Such as the yearly "home inspections".

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13459002...t-Sept-15-2009

Also in said treaty. They can kick you out of your home if you don't do as they say.. Many fucked up things in this treaty. All to treat you like the slave you are.

[_Richard_]

you're just trying to get me to read a long and boring environmental treaty that thinks about tomorrow rather than today, and how best to police and make transparent that agreement for the entire planet

something that would take some level of world governance, found already present within the inner workings of the UN and IMF.

You're almost 60 years too late regarding this NWO, friend.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you're just trying to get me to read a long and boring environmental treaty that thinks about tomorrow rather than today, and how best to police and make transparent that agreement for the entire planet

something that would take some level of world governance, found already present within the inner workings of the UN and IMF.

You're almost 60 years too late regarding this NWO, friend.

No I'm trying to get you to read a treaty that will affect you, your kids, and your grandkids (that's if you can afford the carbon credits to have them) and/or allowed by your masters to have them.. That's what these people think. It's not me. It's their own words...

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Because you know you're being conned but you aren't quite sure what to do about it?

Explain to me once again specifically what you are doing about it? Wait...I recall now what you are doing about it...you copy and paste out and out lies/misinformation on a ponographers BB. I have to admit that you are a very good copy and paste troll...just short on being capable of having an original thought...of your own.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

No I'm trying to get you to read a treaty that will affect you, your kids, and your grandkids (that's if you can afford the carbon credits to have them) and/or allowed by your masters to have them.. That's what these people think. It's not me. It's their own words...

what do you think will happen when someone tells me if i can or cannot have kids?

Who's words supersedes my scientific definition of life? move, eat, reproduce, die?

[StickyGreen]

The most ignorant people always shoot the messenger. They never have anything to say about the issues presented, they just talk shit about the person who is presenting.

As if the fact that onwebcam "copies and pastes" things changes anything that's going on in the world today.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what do you think will happen when someone tells me if i can or cannot have kids?

Who's words supersedes my scientific definition of life? move, eat, reproduce, die?

Apparently they believe their words do.. This is just one thing. Also starting the first of the year Codex Alimentarius kicks in which can and most likely will require you to have to get a prescription for health items such as vitamins.. Also a creation of your World Government. I guess it's convenient we are getting a required health plan eh? So many requirements.. Almost as if someone thinks they know whats best for you.

[StickyGreen]

I mean seriously, the guy is simply sharing an article from the Telegraph with you, and all you can do is complain how he "copied and pasted" something. lmao, would you rather he re-write the article in all of his own words?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

why do I have to read this shit?

I know it probably hurts your head to read, but lucky for you no one said you "have" to read this shit.... lol...

[theking]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

I mean seriously, the guy is simply sharing an article from the Telegraph with you, and all you can do is complain how he "copied and pasted" something. lmao, would you rather he re-write the article in all of his own words?

He copy and pastes out and out lies/misinformation daily and usually his sources are the "tin foil conspiracy" types of sources...and if my memory serves me well you too are one of the "tin foil" types.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

He copy and pastes out and out lies/misinformation daily and usually his sources are the "tin foil conspiracy" types of sources...and if my memory serves me well you too are one of the "tin foil" types.

You're one ignorant motherfucker. READ asshole. IF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THEN THE CONSPIRACY EXISTS. You want to act all patriotic but you are supporting these fucks who are SELLING OUT YOUR COUNTRY. Hence everything you "may" have fought for is GONE.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You're one ignorant motherfucker. READ asshole. IF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THEN THE CONSPIRACY EXISTS.

There we go with the "they" again...and NO IT DOES NOT!

[Agent 488]

prison planet forum is over there.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Read the treaty and get back with me. Count how many times it says "World Governance" and all of the things you will be paying for. Such as the yearly "home inspections".

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13459002...t-Sept-15-2009

Also in said treaty. They can kick you out of your home if you don't do as they say.. Many fucked up things in this treaty. All to treat you like the slave you are.

Searching the document didn't return anything on: World Governance, world gov, one gov, world order, home, treaty, or dwelling.

But I will read it over and see what it says...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

There we go with the "they" again...and NO IT DOES NOT!

"they" UN, World Government, CFR, and many other names/masks. All the same.. And yes it does... It only takes two to tango in a conspiracy. You and I are conspiring to have a conversation.. Al Gore and Obama in business together in a carbon trading scheme and pushing this agenda is a conspiracy.. But there are many involved in said conspiracy...

[WoW!]

Originally Posted by theking

He copy and pastes out and out lies/misinformation daily and usually his sources are the "tin foil conspiracy" types of sources...and if my memory serves me well you too are one of the "tin foil" types.

WoW you're out there... somewhere in the middle of the herd.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"they" UN, World Government, CFR, and many other names/masks. All the same.. And yes it does... It only takes two to tango in a conspiracy. You and I are conspiring to have a conversation.. Al Gore and Obama in business together in a carbon trading scheme and pushing this agenda is a conspiracy.. But there are many involved in said conspiracy...

Wrong...you and I are not conspiring to have a conversation or anything else.

con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
  /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA
Use conspiracy in a Sentence
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–noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

con⋅spire
  /kənˈspaɪər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spahyuhr] Show IPA verb, -spired, -spir⋅ing.
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–verb (used without object)
1. to agree together, esp. secretly, to do something wrong, evil, or illegal: They conspired to kill the king.
2. to act or work together toward the same result or goal.
–verb (used with object)
3. to plot (something wrong, evil, or illegal).

[onwebcam]

conspire : to act in harmony toward a common end

conspire/conspiring: To join or act together;

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by theking

Wrong...you and I are not conspiring to have a conversation or anything else.
1. the act of conspiring.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

2. to act or work together toward the same result or goal.

[theking]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

conspire : to act in harmony toward a common end

conspire/conspiring: To join or act together;

We are not joining or acting together...end of story.

We are not concurring on anything...end of story.

We are not acting in harmony (far from it) and certainly not towards a common end...end of story.

We are not working towards the same goal (far from it)...end of story.

[onwebcam]

[cykoe6]

Onwebcam is obviously mentally ill but that does not change the fact that global environmental treaties of the sort being attempted at Copenhagen represent a huge power grab by unelected UN bureaucracies based on flimsy or non existent evidence of "climate change". Having economic policy set at the global level is an anathema to freedom and representative government. It does not take a conspiracy mongering lunatic like onwebcam to understand that.

If I was conspiracy minded I would have to believe that onewebcam (and fellow travelers like StickyGreen) are fake nics created to make libertarians and believers in limited government look like dangerous and delusional lunatics. I really wish he would STFU and stop tarnishing reasonable people with reasonable positions with his idiotic and deranged nonsense.

[onwebcam]

[onwebcam]

[theking]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Onwebcam is obviously mentally ill but that does not change the fact that global environmental treaties of the sort being attempted at Copenhagen represent a huge power grab by unelected UN bureaucracies based on flimsy or non existent evidence of "climate change". Having economic policy set at the global level is an anathema to freedom and representative government. It does not take a conspiracy mongering lunatic like onwebcam to understand that.

If I was conspiracy minded I would have to believe that onewebcam (and fellow travelers like StickyGreen) are fake nics created to make libertarians and believers in limited government look like dangerous and delusional lunatics. I really wish he would STFU and stop tarnishing reasonable people with reasonable positions with his idiotic and deranged nonsense.

You are correct in the sense that onewebcam and his ilk certainly hurt whatever legitimate entities may exist that seemingly promote whatever he and his ilk think they are promoting...there are way to many "they" and "conspiracies" for me to keep track of.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Onwebcam is obviously mentally ill but that does not change the fact that global environmental treaties of the sort being attempted at Copenhagen represent a huge power grab by unelected UN bureaucracies based on flimsy or non existent evidence of "climate change". Having economic policy set at the global level is an anathema to freedom and representative government. It does not take a conspiracy mongering lunatic like onwebcam to understand that.

If I was conspiracy minded I would have to believe that onewebcam (and fellow travelers like StickyGreen) are fake nics created to make libertarians and believers in limited government look like dangerous and delusional lunatics. I really wish he would STFU and stop tarnishing reasonable people with reasonable positions with his idiotic and deranged nonsense.

Can you let me know who some of these "reasonable" people are so I can go slap the stupid out of them. These people can't be reasoned with. It's their way or no way at all. They are political sociopaths.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by theking

You are correct in the sense that onewebcam and his ilk certainly hurt whatever legitimate entities may exist that seemingly promote whatever he and his ilk think they are promoting.

I have no idea what you just said.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Can you let me know who some of these "reasonable" people are so I can go slap the stupid out of them. These people can't be reasoned with. It's their way or no way at all. They are political sociopaths.

There are medications which can help you with this.

[Glenn Beck]

Take your meds onwebcam

[onwebcam]

Summary of the draft of the treaty.
http://www.infowars.com/draft-copenh...e-danish-text/

The actual treaty draft is in the hands of Lord Moncton ATM and he says it's worse than the old draft posted above. They removed all references to "world government but all the same structures still remain. They plan on taxes on money transfers and much more..

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Summary of the draft of the treaty.
http://www.infowars.com/draft-copenh...e-danish-text/

The actual treaty draft is in the hands of Lord Moncton ATM and he says it's worse than the old draft posted above. They removed all references to "world government but all the same structures still remain. They plan on taxes on money transfers and much more..

I read over the first document you posted... not in every single bit of detail but a huge part of it. I will read this one as well and see if it's real.

Honestly I thought I was going to see shit that would make me puke. But what I found was a guideline for nations to follow, with various timeliness, with no penalties, help for nations that 'want it' and so on...

In general, while one may not agree with every topic in it, it's not really about man made global warming or global warming. It's more about climate change, local / regional impacts, developing nations, pollution/smog in cities, to marina life damage... and all that various stuff much of which is extremely important and real.

Now it does talk about co2, but again... it's more about local/regional impacts do to pollution vs. world wide impacts, melding ice caps and that stuff.

Again... everyone is going to find parts they don't agree with, but the general topics it covers is not what is being pushed by the crazies.


I would have to say take the time to fully read it for yourself, in detail... forget what the media/websites are saying and just read it.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I read over the first document you posted... not in every single bit of detail but a huge part of it. I will read this one as well and see if it's real.

Honestly I thought I was going to see shit that would make me puke. But what I found was a guideline for nations to follow, with various timeliness, with no penalties, help for nations that 'want it' and so on...

In general, while one may not agree with every topic in it, it's not really about man made global warming or global warming. It's more about climate change, local / regional impacts, developing nations, pollution/smog in cities, to marina life damage... and all that various stuff much of which is extremely important and real.

Now it does talk about co2, but again... it's more about local/regional impacts do to pollution vs. world wide impacts, melding ice caps and that stuff.

Again... everyone is going to find parts they don't agree with, but the general topics it covers is not what is being pushed by the crazies.


I would have to say take the time to fully read it for yourself, in detail... forget what the media/websites are saying and just read it.

The summary is what they are giving out there. This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with breaking down society and establishing a World communistic government. When you figure out how taxing financial transactions fixes the environment let me know. What it does do is fix their little problem of taxing the internet as us "conspiracy theorists" have said they wanted all along. Nearly every "conspiracy theory" is encompassed within this treaty.

What I predict is going to happen is Obama will sign this and the American people and other developed countries will not go along with it and it will give the "World Government" a reason to come in and "make" people accept it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The summary is what they are giving out there. This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with breaking down society and establishing a World communistic government. When you figure out how taxing financial transactions fixes the environment let me know. What it does do is fix their little problem of taxing the internet as us "conspiracy theorists" have said they wanted all along. Nearly every "conspiracy theory" is encompassed within this treaty.

What I predict is going to happen is Obama will sign this and the American people and other developed countries will not go along with it and it will give the "World Government" a reason to come in and "make" people accept it.

I did not see a part that talked about taxing financial transactions or how that doing any of that related to money or taxing, was going to help the environment. The document simply isn't about that.

The document gives up no powers, it doesn't assume any control or authority that I could find, it's a guideline or an agreement for those that choose to be part of it. Once you are, you aren't forced... but access to things like the World Bank opens up, which we already have access to.

Again, it has some parts I don't really like... but they aren't related to a power grab that they don't already have, more control, world gov, taxing, or taking any part of your life style taken away.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I did not see a part that talked about taxing financial transactions or how that doing any of that related to money or taxing, was going to help the environment. The document simply isn't about that.

It's in the new draft.. It's the same shit they pull with us in Congress. They just ramble on in Congress and no one really sees the bill until just before it's voted on. Lord Monckton went in a demanded the treaty. At first they didn't want to give it to him but he insisted. They gave him a large stack of papers and he found it buried in there.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It's in the new draft.. It's the same shit they pull with us in Congress. They just ramble on in Congress and no one really sees the bill until just before it's voted on. Lord Monckton went in a demanded the treaty. At first they didn't want to give it to him but he insisted. They gave him a large stack of papers and he found it buried in there.

So why doesn't he scan it and post in online?

[NBBCash Matze]

hmm a deja vu,

ah much better

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It's in the new draft.. It's the same shit they pull with us in Congress. They just ramble on in Congress and no one really sees the bill until just before it's voted on. Lord Monckton went in a demanded the treaty. At first they didn't want to give it to him but he insisted. They gave him a large stack of papers and he found it buried in there.

I guess we will have to wait and see... it isn't like we can do anything to stop it.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

So why doesn't he scan it and post in online?

He just broke the news. I'm sure we'll be seeing it before long. He's the one who leaked the draft above.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

He just broke the news. I'm sure we'll be seeing it before long. He's the one who leaked the draft above.

But you have been talking about this document for months. Yet we never seem to see the entire thing. I understand this is supposedly a newer version, but did we ever get a full version of the old one or did we just get him saying what was in it?

[onwebcam]

Only 51% of the countries have to vote it in for it to become "law." Once it's a deal it takes 100% of the countries to agree to let you out of it.

So let's say all of the developing countries sign on because they have dollar signs in their eyes. America, China, India, etc don't go along. The IMF and World Bank uses their new found World control to turn the developing nations on the developed nations.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

But you have been talking about this document for months. Yet we never seem to see the entire thing. I understand this is supposedly a newer version, but did we ever get a full version of the old one or did we just get him saying what was in it?

Do you not see the document above? Goddamn get a clue. Once again. They are pulling the same shit they pull with Congress. You only get drafts of the bill. But after it's voted on the 'devil in the details" always comes out. Here we only get drafts of the treaty. We wouldn't even have these if it weren't for people like Lord Monckton. They don't want us to see it...