Credit to photographers on PaySites...

[Peace]

Hi Everyone who reads this!

What is the story with photographer credits on pay site....Some sites give credit and some do not. What is the rule for that and can a photographer ask for credit or ask for credit to be removed after selling exclusive rights. What is the deal when non exclusive content is leased?

Please Let me know Peace

[hypedough]

Depends on the exclusivity of the content, and the price breakdown. Wait for Dean Capture, he should square you away with a great answer.

[SPP]

Originally Posted by Peace

Hi Everyone who reads this!

What is the story with photographer credits on pay site....Some sites give credit and some do not. What is the rule for that and can a photographer ask for credit or ask for credit to be removed after selling exclusive rights. What is the deal when non exclusive content is leased?

Please Let me know Peace

in these hard days the photographer has to be part of the basic "idea" or strategy, has to fully understand the niche, the site, models and the whole atmosphere around...

there is no /or very limited/ space for big head artists and on the other hard you can see thousands of so called productions with way worse content than enthusiastic amateurs can produce... sad but true

just my quick 2c

[Peace]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Depends on the exclusivity of the content, and the price breakdown. Wait for Dean Capture, he should square you away with a great answer.

Waiting on him to clarify

[AaronM]

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

[Peace]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

Hei Man! Very reasonable answer! That s what i would think exactly. Lol So i guess common sense always work...

[Hinc]

In our productions, we give credits if the photographer on set wants it...no specific rule, some like the credit - some doesnt...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

100% agreed

[Grapesoda]

credit is given so that the client can track the photographers work. if a particular photographer isn't converting or retaining they are dumped.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by Peace

Hi Everyone who reads this!

What is the story with photographer credits on pay site....Some sites give credit and some do not. What is the rule for that and can a photographer ask for credit or ask for credit to be removed after selling exclusive rights. What is the deal when non exclusive content is leased?

Please Let me know Peace

Most of the folks that I work with update their sites with scripts. If those scripts are not setup to post photo credits, you probably won't get one. I doubt that the site owner will want your photo credit on the picture itself although I have seen a couple of sites that do that. Anything is possible if you just ask

[Jim_Gunn]

As a porn director when I release my own DVDs or even when other companies hire me to film DVD movies my name is always listed as a director on the packaging and on the movie itself. That's not normally the case when filming exclusive content for other company's web sites however. I do my job, it's up to the company to market the site how they see fit.

[Peace]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

As a porn director when I release my own DVDs or even when other companies hire me to film DVD movies my name is always listed as a director on the packaging and on the movie itself. That's not normally the case when filming exclusive content for other company's web sites however. I do my job, it's up to the company to market the site how they see fit.

Thanks you veru much

[alexchechs]

We like to give the photographers credit and link to their portfolios as a thank you...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

100% agreed.

The only place I want to see my name is on the checks. LOL

[PMGames]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

100% agreed.

The only place I want to see my name is on the checks. LOL

hahahaha....I hear that!

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I've never really given it much thought. I personally don't care if I am given credit or not. If I sell or license the images then it's for the company to label and market themselves, not me. If they choose to give me a credit that's up to them but I couldn't care less.

I've worked in TV news as an employee, done contract work for networks and sold content to newspapers and magazines. In my experience credit varies widely depending on the standard practice of the industry and individual outlet... as well as the type of employment/contract agreement exists. Oh yeah... also space, time and the mood of the buyer/editor/producer/director.

When I sell a license to use an image commercially, I don't expect the client to put my name in their ad.

When I sell a license to for unrestricted use of images to a porn site, I don't expect credit. I expect that site will want to put their own watermarks on the images. I might leave some info in the exif, but I honestly don't expect that to make it through their production process.

If you want credit, ask for it up front. In this business, my guess is you'll usually either get ignored or told the price just went down so that you can promote yourself.

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

100% agreed.

The only place I want to see my name is on the checks. LOL

Not all photographers think like you. My name on the check is nice but my name on my pictures is even better. I never got into photography for a check. I got into photography because I love it and I've worked many years trying to figure it out. If I can get a credit for my work - I'll take it

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Not all photographers think like you. My name on the check is nice but my name on my pictures is even better. I never got into photography for a check. I got into photography because I love it and I've worked many years trying to figure it out. If I can get a credit for my work - I'll take it

I'm not a photographer. An author uses a keyboard and computer to write a book, you don't call him a typist. Or her. And contrary to a lot of peoples opinions of me I don't have an ego that needs to be boosted by having my name against my work. I know I shot it and it sold, that's good enough. Not saying you do.

As for Internet sales, your thread on Playboy says all about Internet sales. For most it's down to price.

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

...... I don't have an ego that needs to be boosted by having my name against my work. I know I shot it and it sold, that's good enough. Not saying you do.

Any creative person is entitled to recognition for their work. If your only in the business for a paycheck, that's one thing. I'm not - never have been and hopefully never will be. Maybe that's why I don't give much thought to what other people think about my work. I do what I want to do and it just so happens that some people like it. This has nothing to do with ego

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

An author uses a keyboard and computer to write a book, you don't call him a typist.

that's an interesting comment Paul......

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Not all photographers think like you. My name on the check is nice but my name on my pictures is even better. I never got into photography for a check. I got into photography because I love it and I've worked many years trying to figure it out. If I can get a credit for my work - I'll take it

I'm tired of shooters who are too comfortable giving away their work merely FOR credit. I know I've pissed off many editors who will pay for the articles, but not the photographs.

[BV]

in some cases it can be used as a sales point; that you are featuring work from a certain famous artist / photographer

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BV

in some cases it can be used as a sales point; that you are featuring work from a certain famous artist / photographer

google doesn't pull up any paysites for photographers other than photographers that have paysites. so my thinking is no sites are 'promoting' photographers as a reason to join a site. $.02

[TisMe]

Other than Suze Randall some years ago, I can't remember any other porn still image creators (photogs, shooters, whichever name you like) becoming well known to consumers.

I know the other's names but I don't know if the average consumer would or not.

[BV]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

google doesn't pull up any paysites for photographers other than photographers that have paysites. so my thinking is no sites are 'promoting' photographers as a reason to join a site. $.02

Maybe take a look at http://www2.met-art.com/new.html
here's your back.

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by BV

Maybe take a look at http://www2.met-art.com/new.html
here's your back.

I honestly think Met plays on the photographer thing as part of setting themselves apart. I'm totally guessing here, but I doubt the average porn consumer would have recognized those names prior to them being placed on Met.

Honestly I know Dean's name not from magazines or porn sites, but from modeling sites.

(sorry Dean, but I don't read the mags or visit the sites you shoot for.. I don't have time to.)

[AmeliaG]

Maybe it is because Blue Blood started out as a magazine company, but all the sites in SpookyCash usually give photographer credits. We used to embed them in each image, but that became too much bother. As a photographer myself, I like to get credit for my work. Embarrassing confession ahead: I actually kinda like to get credit more than I like to get paid.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BV

Maybe take a look at http://www2.met-art.com/new.html
here's your back.

I did searches on many of the names... they either go to random sites like myspace etc or to metart... so I wouldn't say they are pulling traffic from anywhere. if you're at met art and search a shooter and go back to metart... well I'm sure you get the picture $.02

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Maybe it is because Blue Blood started out as a magazine company, but all the sites in SpookyCash usually give photographer credits. We used to embed them in each image, but that became too much bother. As a photographer myself, I like to get credit for my work. Embarrassing confession ahead: I actually kinda like to get credit more than I like to get paid.

I like getting credit too. However the majority of my work is portrait and weddings... and sometimes I'd rather get paid.

[stonehammer]

metart gives credits to the photographers

[DeanCapture]

I get a credit for everything that I shoot for Twistys...pictures and videos. I think it's more prestigious when a site gives credit to their producers. It separates them from the sites that are only out there to make a buck and have little to no respect for their producers.

When a site offers to give you credit for your work, it says that they appreciate you, they appreciate your talent and they appreciate your dedication to quality. This means nothing to some producers who are only it in for the money. But for some producers - it's very appreciated!

[Don Pueblo]

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I get a credit for everything that I shoot for Twistys...pictures and videos. I think it's more prestigious when a site gives credit to their producers. It separates them from the sites that are only out there to make a buck and have little to no respect for their producers.

When a site offers to give you credit for your work, it says that they appreciate you, they appreciate your talent and they appreciate your dedication to quality. This means nothing to some producers who are only it in for the money. But for some producers - it's very appreciated!

As an editor, I like to give photographers and other creative folks credit because (1) it is what I like when I am the contributor so I try to treat others as I would like to be treated and (2) as a consumer, I often look to see who shot something I really liked.

I hope you are correct, Dean, and people in general view sites better when they give credit.

I like to get paid, but I could do a lot of other things for money, if that were the only motivation.

[boudoir]

Amelia & Dean,

Ok, you're convincing me that I do want credit... at least when and where I can have some pride in receiving that credit.

As a consumer, I certainly consider a publication to be of a higher class when it takes the time and effort to acknowledge contributors. I have been known to track down other works by an individual when intrigued. Hopefully other consumers do the same.

So far I get paid a lot more using the left side of my brain. But I get a lot more satisfaction using the right side... and credit where I can be proud of getting that credit would be good.

[ASaenz]

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con usted .. los artistas no siempre son reconocidos .. ni aún haciendo el trabajo por el dinero. : thumbsup

[JP-pornshooter]

i would agree with Dean, i like to get credit which some sites do.
mostly always magazines will give photog credit and i think it is only fair.
for most decent photographers, it will add value to a photograph.
not sure with video..but i would think the same basics would apply.

[PurrrfectVideo]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Any creative person is entitled to recognition for their work. If your only in the business for a paycheck, that's one thing. I'm not - never have been and hopefully never will be. Maybe that's why I don't give much thought to what other people think about my work. I do what I want to do and it just so happens that some people like it. This has nothing to do with ego

Dean is an artist and one of the very few photographers worth watching an learning from.

Anyone can operate a digital camera and if there is a vagina involved someone will buy the images.

An artist cares about his body of work, its our legacy and having our name credited to our work is important though sometimes overlooked.

[PurrrfectVideo]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I get a credit for everything that I shoot for Twistys...pictures and videos. I think it's more prestigious when a site gives credit to their producers. It separates them from the sites that are only out there to make a buck and have little to no respect for their producers.

When a site offers to give you credit for your work, it says that they appreciate you, they appreciate your talent and they appreciate your dedication to quality. This means nothing to some producers who are only it in for the money. But for some producers - it's very appreciated!

That couldn't have been said any better...