Anyone here ever file a police report on a USA-based carder?

[AmeliaG]

So some guy in Houston carded me for $1,100 today. I've got what is presumably his address and almost certainly his Chase bank account wire info. What he is doing is an attempted felony fraud. Should I report him to the Houston police or is it Federal for being internet and online? How does that work? Anybody else ever go through proper channels and have someone prosecuted for this?

[JFK]

good luck in getting any action from anyone

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by JFK

good luck in getting any action from anyone

Why? Have other folks tried to have this prosecuted in the past and had it not work?

Previously, I'd only been carded by people in far off countries, but Houston is US law.

[xxweekxx]

because the amount is so low nobody gives a shit..... thats why

fbi will get interested if he is big fish.. you ever seen fbi even open a case against someone for $1k? nope.. never.. they have bigger fish to fry

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by xxweekxx

because the amount is so low nobody gives a shit..... thats why

fbi will get interested if he is big fish.. you ever seen fbi even open a case against someone for $1k? nope.. never.. they have bigger fish to fry

What do you think the FBI cut-off is for financial crimes? How much the amount is, in terms of law enforcement and not just my personal loss, depends on how often he does it. A grand a day every day would certainly add up.

At any rate, that is part of why I was asking if anyone has pursued this before and whether they did so via local government or Federal. Obviously $1,100 is more money on a local level than a Federal one.

[fatfoo]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

So some guy in Houston carded me for $1,100

What do you mean by this?

You mean he stole your card and removed $1,100?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Why? Have other folks tried to have this prosecuted in the past and had it not work?

Previously, I'd only been carded by people in far off countries, but Houston is US law.

They all have "better" things to doSorry for your loss, but I doubt if you will get any action.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

What do you mean by this?

You mean he stole your card and removed $1,100?

He signed up for SpookyCash and ran $1,100 worth of joins through on 17 unknown clicks. Isn't that how webmasters usually use the term carding?

[theking]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

So some guy in Houston carded me for $1,100 today. I've got what is presumably his address and almost certainly his Chase bank account wire info. What he is doing is an attempted felony fraud. Should I report him to the Houston police or is it Federal for being internet and online? How does that work? Anybody else ever go through proper channels and have someone prosecuted for this?

My suggestion would be to persue it both on a local level as well as federal level. Even if they do not actively persue the matter your report and his/her name will remain on file and if more complaints come in they will eventually persue a case against the person. In addition they may already have complaints and yours could be the nail in his/her coffin.

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by JFK

They all have "better" things to doSorry for your loss, but I doubt if you will get any action.

unless she can show he's doing this to many sites, they won't do shit....

[Agent 488]

call the local cops there. see what they have to say.

[halfpint]

I dont live in the US and dont know how the laws work over there , But I do know that if it was me I would def report it. Thats why carders get away with shit like this because nobody ever does shit. It would sure piss the authorities off, if everybody did start to report every carder and in the end they would have to start doing something about it whether it was a small or large amount

[Agent 488]

just call a few places and they will point you in the right direction. you will obviously get no help here.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

just call a few places and they will point you in the right direction. you will obviously get no help here.

that was my suggestion too. Good luck and dont let it slide.

[Fletch XXX]

it was probably a cop

[chupachups]

Ask Kman!

[EscortBiz]

think a step further

where did he get the cards? I mean if you have time and are in the mood you can do your own PI work and call the card owners and tell them you noticed fraud and you will credit them and ask them to name a few online places they used their card in the past few months.

Many will think you are a scam yourself but if you talk to 15 you will hear the same website url from 3+ of them.

OR

Ask them if they had computer problems recently, many people will load keystroke apps into machines to gather CC info, granted many people feel they have computer problems but if they start telling you their paypal or ebay has been hacked you will know whats up.

No did this carder personally hack machines or get access to databases, well mostlikly not, but he def is getting it from someone who did.

I doubt any gov. agency will start a serious investigation based on this dollar amount, but if they enter it into their DB and slowly get more complaints etc it can lead to something

also because you have a US address for this affiliate it dont mean much, ask them whats up, did they recently pay someone in china to do marketing and those guys get a % of joins?

I mean there are a million and one scams in these days

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

think a step further

where did he get the cards? I mean if you have time and are in the mood you can do your own PI work and call the card owners and tell them you noticed fraud and you will credit them and ask them to name a few online places they used their card in the past few months.

Many will think you are a scam yourself but if you talk to 15 you will hear the same website url from 3+ of them.

OR

Ask them if they had computer problems recently, many people will load keystroke apps into machines to gather CC info, granted many people feel they have computer problems but if they start telling you their paypal or ebay has been hacked you will know whats up.

No did this carder personally hack machines or get access to databases, well mostlikly not, but he def is getting it from someone who did.

I doubt any gov. agency will start a serious investigation based on this dollar amount, but if they enter it into their DB and slowly get more complaints etc it can lead to something

also because you have a US address for this affiliate it dont mean much, ask them whats up, did they recently pay someone in china to do marketing and those guys get a % of joins?

I mean there are a million and one scams in these days

That's a great idea to ask the card owners if they have any idea what happened. I'll try their emails first, then maybe snail mail if the emails are not good.

[datatank]

How did he card you for that much?

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by datatank

How did he card you for that much?

It actually totalled $1,300 by the time the risk/fraud depts for the billers got in this morning. Guy just kept signing up with what are presumably not his credit cards, over and over again. Only 17 clicks for his affiliate ID. I feel like maybe I'm looking for another word for this. Is there a better term than carder for what this affiliate was doing?

[american pervert]

When I was at Videosecrets back in 1998 I caught an affiliate carding us. We brought it to the attention of the authorities and they said unless it's above a certain amount they didn't care (something like $40k and this was around $18k)

[datatank]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

It actually totalled $1,300 by the time the risk/fraud depts for the billers got in this morning. Guy just kept signing up with what are presumably not his credit cards, over and over again. Only 17 clicks for his affiliate ID. I feel like maybe I'm looking for another word for this. Is there a better term than carder for what this affiliate was doing?

I think you used the right word. For some reason I assumed you were talking about a surfer who charged back.
Sorry..

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What do you think the FBI cut-off is for financial crimes? How much the amount is, in terms of law enforcement and not just my personal loss, depends on how often he does it. A grand a day every day would certainly add up.

At any rate, that is part of why I was asking if anyone has pursued this before and whether they did so via local government or Federal. Obviously $1,100 is more money on a local level than a Federal one.

The minimum for felony prosecution is $600. He's well over that. And this can be considered a federal offense because the crime crosses state borders.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

It actually totalled $1,300 by the time the risk/fraud depts for the billers got in this morning. Guy just kept signing up with what are presumably not his credit cards, over and over again. Only 17 clicks for his affiliate ID. I feel like maybe I'm looking for another word for this. Is there a better term than carder for what this affiliate was doing?

The term law enforcement uses when they prosecute this crime is "theft of an access code", otherwise known as credit card fraud.

[american pervert]

if you really want to nail this guy get him on interstate wire fraud charges. mail him an affiliate check and let him cash it. then prove it was all done with stolen cards and the postal inspector will be on his ass.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by american pervert

if you really want to nail this guy get him on interstate wire fraud charges. mail him an affiliate check and let him cash it. then prove it was all done with stolen cards and the postal inspector will be on his ass.

He requested his payment as a wire transfer, which is why I have his Chase bank account details.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

He requested his payment as a wire transfer, which is why I have his Chase bank account details.

tell him his first check has to be sent to him. and force him to cash it. make sure it's regular post. the postal inspectors are more hardcore than most investigative agencies. they are very aggressive.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

He requested his payment as a wire transfer, which is why I have his Chase bank account details.

post his wire info so people can know about this guy

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by american pervert

tell him his first check has to be sent to him. and force him to cash it. make sure it's regular post. the postal inspectors are more hardcore than most investigative agencies. they are very aggressive.

Him cashing a check that's been mailed to him doesn't make this more of a crime than has already been committed.

When a murderer is fleeing the scene of a crime, and runs a few stop signs... the only thing he's charged with is murder. They don't give a shit about the reckless driving.

[JamesK]

they won't take action unless it's for a huge amount.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by xenigo

Him cashing a check that's been mailed to him doesn't make this more of a crime than has already been committed.

When a murderer is fleeing the scene of a crime, and runs a few stop signs... the only thing he's charged with is murder. They don't give a shit about the reckless driving.

you missed the point. if the local feds won't do anything but you can bet the postal inspector will come after him since he used the USPS to help him commit and profit from his fraud. they take fucking with the mail a lot more seriously than the feds do for a couple grand in cc fraud.

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by american pervert

you missed the point. if the local feds won't do anything but you can bet the postal inspector will come after him since he used the USPS to help him commit and profit from his fraud. they take fucking with the mail a lot more seriously than the feds do for a couple grand in cc fraud.

good point