How can I make a Flash movies continue from any place?

[kesha1]

Hi,
when I convert to Flash in the Adobe Premiere the videos play straight through without letting click at an advanced position on the timeline to whach it from any place. If clicked at a part where video wasn't downloaded yet it waits untill the download gets to that point and then plays.
How can I make it play from any point without downloading the prior portion of video?
Thank you

[fatfoo]

[trevesty]

lighttpd

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by trevesty

lighttpd

and a flash player that supports it

[kesha1]

Originally Posted by trevesty

and a flash player that supports it

Thank you for your reply.
Isn't the whole trick in the player? Where can I see different ones, and how can I ad a certain player to my video?
Thank you.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by kesha1

Thank you for your reply.
Isn't the whole trick in the player? Where can I see different ones, and how can I ad a certain player to my video?
Thank you.

a player like flowplayer or the one from longtail will work, you need either a fake streaming like lighttpd or wowza / flash server

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by kesha1

Thank you for your reply.
Isn't the whole trick in the player? Where can I see different ones, and how can I ad a certain player to my video?
Thank you.

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

a player like flowplayer or the one from longtail will work, you need either a fake streaming like lighttpd or wowza / flash server

He pretty much summed it up.

Ask your host to install lighttpd server for you but to keep apache as your main web server. Have lighttpd enabled on a port separate from Apache and configure that with flowplayer/longtail and you should be all set

[kesha1]

Thank you for your help!
So, once the lighttpd server installed, should I simply convert my videos to Flash and put them to the allocated for the server folders, and link them to some thumbnails, or it takes somethng else?
Thank you.

[Miguel]

plus flv movie should include meta data for continue from any place. Not all convert tools support it. However you can add meta data with the help of program called FLV tool

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Miguel

plus flv movie should include meta data for continue from any place. Not all convert tools support it. However you can add meta data with the help of program called FLV tool

yup very important point, if you inject meta only say every 30 seconds, the user when forwarding the clip will get forced to the closes meta

[kesha1]

so, the Premiere might be not the best tool to conver afteral? If I don't want to mess with adding the meta data later, there probably a tool that does it while converting (from .wmv) and inserts that meta data with the intervals I choose in settings, right?

[VGeorgie]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

yup very important point, if you inject meta only say every 30 seconds, the user when forwarding the clip will get forced to the closes meta

More precisely, with pseudo-streaming (what most people are talking about here) the surfer will be able to go to the nearest keyframe. The metadata injector (flvtool2, yamdi, flvmdi, whatever) will find each keyframe and insert the metadata for it for use by a pseudo-streamer. So the granularity of the video tracking will depend on the keyframe placement during encoding.

FMS and other true Flash streaming servers support arbitrary position.

[VGeorgie]

Originally Posted by kesha1

so, the Premiere might be not the best tool to conver afteral? If I don't want to mess with adding the meta data later, there probably a tool that does it while converting (from .wmv) and inserts that meta data with the intervals I choose in settings, right?

Not really. The shareware stuff (most using FFmpeg) either don't bother with injecting metadata, or use an open source tool like flvtool2. These don't give you the highest quality FLVs whatever the setting because they rely on a very old playback codec. You want software that supports VP6 FLVs. The ones from Sorenson and On2 do this, and provide the minimal metadata for proper playback. Metadata for use with pseudo-streaming is not injected (that I recall), and you STILL need post-processing.

It doesn't take long to inject the metadata, and you could write a BAT file to do all the videos in a directory at once. Assuming you're doing this on your desktop. If you're doing it on the server your upload script would include the the injection step after encoding.

[TDF]

i have an flv injector that lets you skip around through the flash file

[Naechy]

fatfoo has great hand

[kesha1]

Originally Posted by VGeorgie

Not really. The shareware stuff (most using FFmpeg) either don't bother with injecting metadata, or use an open source tool like flvtool2. These don't give you the highest quality FLVs whatever the setting because they rely on a very old playback codec. You want software that supports VP6 FLVs. The ones from Sorenson and On2 do this, and provide the minimal metadata for proper playback. Metadata for use with pseudo-streaming is not injected (that I recall), and you STILL need post-processing.

It doesn't take long to inject the metadata, and you could write a BAT file to do all the videos in a directory at once. Assuming you're doing this on your desktop. If you're doing it on the server your upload script would include the the injection step after encoding.

Thank you for your reply.
The Premiere gives a choice to render it in Flash with Sorenson Spark and On2VP6. Isn't that the one you mentioned? AND, when On2VP6 is chosen it gives an option to insert a keyframes and choos the frequency of them. Wouldn't it solve the problem?
But then again, you are saying that "Metadata for use with pseudo-streaming is not injected (that I recall), and you STILL need post-processing (what exactly post processing)", and right underneath you say "It doesn't take long to inject the metadata".
Sorry, I am just not perfectly clear on what exactly should I do with an FLV file once it's rendered.
THank you again.

[borked]

http://blog.lighttpd.net/articles/20...-with-lighttpd

I've no idea whether Premiere will inject metadata - best thing to do is to setup lighttpd with the required extensions (see link above) and test all is fine with a movie that has metadata already injected.

Once that's working a streaming, then test with a move from Premiere that you did yourself.

If it works, great, if not go the Yamdi/flvtool route and inject metadata on all your videos.

[kesha1]

Thank you for your reply,
yeah, the hosting people said that they installed that lighttpd thingy. Where can I get a lil sample with injected metadata?
And then, does it mean that once I put the clips into the desegnaed by the lighttpd folders and link them to some thumbs they could be viewed from any keyframe? (if the data injected properly)

[kesha1]

By the way, wowza / flash server is more difficult to install, or is it expensive, or something? I mean, why not go with a real thing?