Realitycash/Playboy - youjizz is robbing you blind

[SmokeyTheBear]

youjizz.com/search/pizza-1.html

Several million views to your stolen videos.

Might wanna plug that hole.

Do you guys use a service like removeyourcontent ?

[Agent 488]

sometimes it seems like they use addyourcontent.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

sometimes it seems like they use addyourcontent.

the videos are usually very well internally branded ( urls on t-shirts for example ), so there could be method to the madness, but if they are offering full length videos for tubes to use they should let every affiliate use them or at the very least let their affiliates know which videos they are giving out in full version so their affiliates dont waste their time showing 2 minute previews of videos being given away in full length for free.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

the videos are usually very well internally branded ( urls on t-shirts for example ), so there could be method to the madness, but if they are offering full length videos for tubes to use they should let every affiliate use them or at the very least let their affiliates know which videos they are giving out in full version so their affiliates dont waste their time showing 2 minute previews of videos being given away in full length for free.

good point.

[SmokeyTheBear]

bump 4 playboy

[SmokeyTheBear]

movies are still up so i'm going to assume either youjizz doesn't remove content, they are allowed by realitycash or nobody cares.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Seems to me that when you ignore blatant theft of your material even when showed exactly where it is on a board you run , you almost give the green light to other tubes, like a big flashing neon sign " COME STEAL OUR VIDEOS - WE WON'T DO JACK SHIT ABOUT IT, p.s. WANNA BUY SOME ADSPACE ON GFY "

[myjah]

Hey Smokey, thanks for the heads up. Our legal team is on it.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by myjah

Hey Smokey, thanks for the heads up. Our legal team is on it.

thank you for helping us make more money

[fris]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Seems to me that when you ignore blatant theft of your material even when showed exactly where it is on a board you run , you almost give the green light to other tubes, like a big flashing neon sign " COME STEAL OUR VIDEOS - WE WON'T DO JACK SHIT ABOUT IT, p.s. WANNA BUY SOME ADSPACE ON GFY "

legally anyone can do it until a notice is sent, thats the law.

[GAMEFINEST]

its all gravy

[LeRoy]

They even go thru the trouble of adding their own water marks.

I Love seeing that. Life is just peachy in the tube world.

[SomeCreep]

How the fuck did the adult industry ever get itself into this nasty predicament, where it is actually legal to steal content? Nowadays, a big chunk of our industry is making hundreds of millions of dollars per year stealing content. Unbelievable.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by fris

legally anyone can do it until a notice is sent, thats the law.

thats kind of a bland statement. someone can't legally pay $30 for a realitycash membership and download and then give away all their videos. A person cant legally upload one of realitycash's videos for public viewing

A tube site could perhaps legally host a video someone else stole if all the right conditions are met and until given legal notice to remove it. But there is alot of legal room for lawsuits still. Copyright infringment cases are decided on a case by case basis on the entire circumstances. Parody can be "fair use", but that doesn't mean all parody is fair use nor does it mean simply by labeling your work as a parody you are protected.

we all know most "bad tubes" either steal the videos themselves or pay others to upload them to circumvent the law. By not going after content theft, you are drawing attention to the fact you are ignoring it and thus "bad tubes" will go after your shit like bee's to honey.

[k0nr4d]

The fact is that law cant and wont change because it would kill user-generated content sites, including legal ones like youtube, and push the internet back 10 years.

[Bman]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

How the fuck did the adult industry ever get itself into this nasty predicament, where it is actually legal to steal content? Nowadays, a big chunk of our industry is making hundreds of millions of dollars per year stealing content. Unbelievable.

How the fuck?
Tubes are owned by either former affiliates or programs...probably best way to avoid it is stay off the boards.
Gfy is like a prison, it only makes better criminals

[SmokeyTheBear]

just a heads up to realitycash , youjizz removed some of your videos, but they didn't remove the pages , your pictures, the previews , or the results from their search engine, this means they are still profiting from your content and using your content to make profit

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

How the fuck did the adult industry ever get itself into this nasty predicament, where it is actually legal to steal content? Nowadays, a big chunk of our industry is making hundreds of millions of dollars per year stealing content. Unbelievable.

It all started with google...

[LeCoq]

Smokey, I appreciate what you do.

We're a smaller program but I sure would appreciate if people notified us if they see our content given away for free...especially being in micro-niches.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by LeCoq

Smokey, I appreciate what you do.

We're a smaller program but I sure would appreciate if people notified us if they see our content given away for free...especially being in micro-niches.

Use removeyourcontent, its cheap. No need to wait for whiners to hit you up.

[Fat Panda]

youjizz is fucking bad....but good for jerking!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

thats kind of a bland statement. someone can't legally pay $30 for a realitycash membership and download and then give away all their videos. A person cant legally upload one of realitycash's videos for public viewing

A tube site could perhaps legally host a video someone else stole if all the right conditions are met and until given legal notice to remove it. But there is alot of legal room for lawsuits still. Copyright infringment cases are decided on a case by case basis on the entire circumstances. Parody can be "fair use", but that doesn't mean all parody is fair use nor does it mean simply by labeling your work as a parody you are protected.

we all know most "bad tubes" either steal the videos themselves or pay others to upload them to circumvent the law. By not going after content theft, you are drawing attention to the fact you are ignoring it and thus "bad tubes" will go after your shit like bee's to honey.

let gideon explain you time shifting and safe harbour provision...

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Use removeyourcontent, its cheap. No need to wait for whiners to hit you up.

Whiners? What do you mean? You'd rather have someone not tell you that your content that you paid for is being given away on a tube?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

let gideon explain you time shifting and safe harbour provision...

we have gone over this issue before, what gideon says != reality.

Think of ANY possible fair use argument in the world

Then read the following statement and replace the part's in bold with any example of fair use.

"Copyright infringment cases are decided on a case by case basis on the entire circumstances. Parody can be "fair use", but that doesn't mean all parody is fair use nor does it mean simply by labeling your work as a parody you are protected."



Parody is a good example to use to describe how it works.

Do you think i could give away every blockbuster film on a website and simply put "this website is a parody" and not get sued ? obviously not. What if i add some words under it that says "poo poo caca silly movie" ? answers start to get a bit more fuzzy. What if i sell memberhip to my site for $100 a year and give away every new movie with some actual parody like science fiction 2000 ?

In youjizz case parody isn't applicable. but i would imagine some argument could be made for profiting off the residual traffic based on keywords and images that were from stolen content. As you can see above , youjizz removed the videos that were illegally uploaded but they continue to profit from the page and from images ,keywords related to the content. http://www.youjizz.com/display_searc...q=pizza&page=1
No attempt has been made it seems to have the pages no longer spidered thru the use of common methods such as "noindex" etc.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

we have gone over this issue before, what gideon says != reality.

Think of ANY possible fair use argument in the world

Then read the following statement and replace the part's in bold with any example of fair use.

"Copyright infringment cases are decided on a case by case basis on the entire circumstances. Parody can be "fair use", but that doesn't mean all parody is fair use nor does it mean simply by labeling your work as a parody you are protected."

we had this arguement before and i schooled you on how you taking the statement out of context to misrepresent what was being said.

The two supporting links that were used to justify this statement were SCOPE changes in fair use (timeshifting being one of them)

the misrepresentation that the fundamental principle of legal precedent doesn't apply to fair use and that it must be evaluated each time based on the blind whim of the judge is totally and completely false.

Parody is a good example to use to describe how it works.

Do you think i could give away every blockbuster film on a website and simply put "this website is a parody" and not get sued ? obviously not. What if i add some words under it that says "poo poo caca silly movie" ? answers start to get a bit more fuzzy. What if i sell memberhip to my site for $100 a year and give away every new movie with some actual parody like science fiction 2000 ?

claiming that something is a parody doesn't make it a parody, likewise claiming that it is not doesn't stop a valid parody from being a parody.

the arguement that is going to be used and currently being used by youtube is commentary not parody. The extension of commentary to cover "look at my favorite quest crew dance routine" and the spark of free expression and commentary that follows such posting would protect all of the tube site you are complaining about. And since SCOPE changes is what the quote you are misrepresenting as fundemental violation of the basic principle of US legal system would apply to all of them too they would be equally protected.

In youjizz case parody isn't applicable. but i would imagine some argument could be made for profiting off the residual traffic based on keywords and images that were from stolen content. As you can see above , youjizz removed the videos that were illegally uploaded but they continue to profit from the page and from images ,keywords related to the content. http://www.youjizz.com/display_searc...q=pizza&page=1
No attempt has been made it seems to have the pages no longer spidered thru the use of common methods such as "noindex" etc.

does have to be, luckly since there are so many different fair use that they could use including commentary (youtube) , timeshifting and access shifting (although those would have to be defended by the uploader so less likely to be used).

[myjah]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

just a heads up to realitycash , youjizz removed some of your videos, but they didn't remove the pages , your pictures, the previews , or the results from their search engine, this means they are still profiting from your content and using your content to make profit

Thanks ;) We're still on it.

I appreciate any notifications like this and would love for you to contact me directly as well whenever you see this happening.

[fris]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

thats kind of a bland statement. someone can't legally pay $30 for a realitycash membership and download and then give away all their videos. A person cant legally upload one of realitycash's videos for public viewing

A tube site could perhaps legally host a video someone else stole if all the right conditions are met and until given legal notice to remove it. But there is alot of legal room for lawsuits still. Copyright infringment cases are decided on a case by case basis on the entire circumstances. Parody can be "fair use", but that doesn't mean all parody is fair use nor does it mean simply by labeling your work as a parody you are protected.

we all know most "bad tubes" either steal the videos themselves or pay others to upload them to circumvent the law. By not going after content theft, you are drawing attention to the fact you are ignoring it and thus "bad tubes" will go after your shit like bee's to honey.

well a site can have a video up as long as they want cause of user submission until a notice is sent, its not fair, but yes its legal.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by myjah

Thanks ;) We're still on it.

I appreciate any notifications like this and would love for you to contact me directly as well whenever you see this happening.

http://www.xvideos.com/?k=pizza
http://www.spankwire.com/search/straight/keyword/pizza

[RyuLion]

don't mess with Playboy Legal..