new privacy law in holland to come, will affect all

[grumpy]

Websites will have to ask permission to place cookie on pc. They also have to explain what it does. Law is under construction now.

[NickB.]

glad a left holland a long time ago
country going down the shitter

[Zyber]

Wasn't this approved recently as a new EU Directive?
So Holland is just adopting the new rules faster than the rest of the European countries?

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Zyber

Wasn't this approved recently as a new EU Directive?
So Holland is just adopting the new rules faster than the rest of the European countries?

could be, have to check that

[nico-t]

lol.....governments are funny.

[ArsewithClass]

Just another country stopped from their choice & freedom.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by NickB. - Triplexcash

glad a left holland a long time ago
country going down the shitter

In 50 years it'll be overrun by Arabs.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by grumpy

Websites will have to ask permission to place cookie on pc. They also have to explain what it does. Law is under construction now.

Talk about cramping up people's browsing styles. Funny I find this discussion here, I just finished writing about this topic.

The truth is the biggest and best sites the Net has to offer use cookies. Most browsers have good cookie/security level management so this isn't that big of an issue.

[Chosen]

What's next?...

[BlackCrayon]

why would it effect my site? i didn't ask anyone from holland to come there. its their problem, not mine.

[seeandsee]

cookie madness

[GirlsOnYou]

What a bunch of idiots.. anyone can just disable cookies if they choose to.

Originally Posted by Zyber

Wasn't this approved recently as a new EU Directive?
So Holland is just adopting the new rules faster than the rest of the European countries?

to be honest first ive heard of it. dosent sound like a very good idea though, i can see the reasoning behind it. does it mean that a pop up will occur syaing this site wants to place a cookie on your computer and heres what it does, or will there have to be some sort of disclaimer?!

[Klen]

That is total nonsense,since almost every site place cookies.So that means dutch surfer will need to click 100 times daily if he surfs a lot.

[czarina]

it will affect the industry tremendously if it's implemented in all of the EU and not only in Holland. Think about how many people will say NO to cookies! All those are sales that you won't be credited for.

[Zyber]

Europe Approves New Cookie Law
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/11/...w/tab/article/

By Marisa Taylor

The Council of the European Union has approved new legislation that would require Web users to consent to Internet cookies.

Cookies, small programs that can be used to track Web movements, have come under fire as consumer groups, including the Federal Trade Commission, have sought to regulate companies that engage in targeted behavioral advertising.

While the current EU telecom law states that cookies are allowed if Internet users are notified of them and have an opt-out option, in practice, the law has been interpreted more loosely. In the United Kingdom, for example, the information commissioner?s office issued a directive emphasizing that sites should clearly direct users to a page where they can opt out.

But once the law goes into effect, users must provide consent to cookies being stored on their computers, meaning that they could be bombarded with annoying pop-ups or pages asking for permission. The new legislation does offer an exception for when a cookie is ?strictly necessary? ? for example, if a user is shopping online, a cookie can go from a product page to the checkout page without the need for consent.

The law could have broad repercussions for online ads. ?Almost every site that carries advertising should be seeking its visitors? consent to the serving of cookies,? wrote Struan Robertson, a lawyer specializing in technology at Pinsent Masons and editor of Out-Law.com. ?It also catches sites that count visitors ? so if your site uses Google Analytics or WebTrends, you?re caught.?

The legislation is part of a draft telecom law that the EU Council recently approved and will be signed into law within the next 18 months. Its main purpose, which the Council spent months debating, was to strike a balance between cracking down on illegal downloading and broad rights to Internet use.

The Council struck down a so-called three strikes law, which would have allowed authorities to cut off Internet access to repeat online-piracy offenders. Instead, it ensures that Web users engaging in illegal downloads must be given a trial that guarantees the ?right to be heard? before Internet access is shut off.

Mr. Robertson said, however, that the bigger argument over three strikes caused the new cookie provisions to go unnoticed. ?The consent standard is surely closing the loophole we?ve all been exploiting,? he wrote in an op-ed last month. He said the law will tempt businesses to break the rules and that ?to legislate against the technology is unnecessary, short-sighted and destined to fail.?

And more...

Consent will be required for cookies in Europe
http://www.out-law.com/page-10510

[Zyber]

bye bye to permanent cookies

Only session cookies will work as currently.

This will affect affiliate tracking a lot.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Zyber

bye bye to permanent cookies

Only session cookies will work as currently.

This will affect affiliate tracking a lot.

OK so a session cookie that lasts for lets say. 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000036363 hours.

[Adraco]

It's a part of new EU legislation being put in place. You need to disclose that you are puttign a cookie on the users computer and what information it collects and how it handles it. Already put into law in for example Sweden.

However, the effect of the new EU law is very sporadic, it only affects sites which are hosted in that specific country where the law is applicable. So if you are hosted in the US for example, you don't need to bother about this at all and can easily continue without any further ado.

[stever]

damn these cookie communists

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by pornguy

OK so a session cookie that lasts for lets say. 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000036363 hours.

if i remember correctly, session cookies last as long as your session is active or until specified time limit but no longer than active session itself. if session employs real cookies then session technically can be interrupted and restored again on next visit.

[Pim(P)]

Crazy idea!

Using Local Shared Objects for tracking might be a solution unless those are affected as well if this becomes law.

[redwhiteandblue]

Well as far as I'm concerned cookies (which BTW as everyone here should know are not "small programs that can be used to track web movements") are necessary for my sites to work properly. If my page can't tell whether you've visited before and what thumbnails you clicked on, it won't work the way I intended it to, therefore it needs to put a cookie on your PC and doesn't need to ask permission. So, as far as I'm concerned the issue is closed.

[Marialovesporn]

this is such a lame law......

[notime]

Posted about this law proposal in November 2009:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/938964-eu-opt-installing-cookies.html
Most law proposals, not all, become a reality within a year or so normally.

[Waddymelon]

Holland, great place to visit. Your strength lies in your continued belief that what you just ate was indeed duck.

[Kirby]

what about hosting illegal content?

[Kirby]

hope they dont ban ganja

[mikke]

Originally Posted by NickB. - Triplexcash

glad a left holland a long time ago
country going down the shitter

too much pakis/muslims ...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by notime

Posted about this law proposal in November 2009:
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/938964-eu-opt-installing-cookies.html
Most law proposals, not all, become a reality within a year or so normally.

Most law proposals become law? Really? I think we have the opposite. Our people come up with so many stupid ass laws... fortunately only a fraction of the stupid ass laws get through.

[slayer69]

I heard about this. bad news

[notime]

Originally Posted by Sly

Most law proposals become law? Really? I think we have the opposite. Our people come up with so many stupid ass laws... fortunately only a fraction of the stupid ass laws get through.

Be glad not all stupid laws pass over there!
Downside to all the law making is that it is always triggered by incidents of people taking advantage of the surfers. And laws are based on those and not on the 80% of the companies doing decent business practises and which can be hurt by the new laws caused by the other 20% doing malicious business.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by mikke

too much pakis/muslims ...

yep they're just letting their culture be taken over by the arabs. In 100 years the average "dutch" person won't look anything like what they have looked like for the last few centuries. Same thing happening in the USA with all the mexicans.

[ErectMedia]

[BIGTYMER]

Fucking commies.

[fatfoo]

Privacy law in Holland. Sounds good. Computers need more privacy and less viruses and less adware and spyware. Don't risk harming your computer. Do not visit the sites you do not want to visit.

Can you set your brain to high privacy settings so that other people don't read your brain? Good luck with that. Hopefully the mind readers can't read your pin number in your bank account. Protect your bank account now with more features.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by Kirby

what about hosting illegal content?

No hosting illegal content, they prefer to produce it & sell it to the world

[Why]

being written is differnt then in effect.... the sky is falling.

[Cyber Fucker]

Weird law... I like the idea of more privacy but this one is crazy... Well, I am not going to tweak my websites just for Holland. Entering my websites they automatically agree for my cookies.

[jackknoff]

I don't get Jack for traffic from Holland so im not too concerned. Overall I think it's a retarded law. Having solved all other crimes they're new focus is cookies? Sighs... I wonder what took place to make someone even think the need to draft up this law? Curious on the details

Spanx!
Jack

[D Ghost]

thats lame .... it wont pass

[sortie]

Oh the irony.

We can issue a cookie but it's the browser that actually sets a cookie on
a computer. They should make it illegal to make browsers that accept cookies then.