Fox news great job at debunking 9/11 for good.

[mayabong]

Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene. According to his article though, Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition, and it was no secret, there was no conspiracy.

Of course fox attacks Jesse Ventura cause he has long hair and smokes pot, but will not go after Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College who flat out said it was was an inside job and israel was behind it, last month. Fair and Balanced! ROFL

Jesse Ventura should be ashamed of himself and embarrassed.

The former Minnesota governor recently lent his political credentials to the discredited 9/11 ?Truther? movement by alleging that the Sept. 11 attacks were either planned or permitted by the United States government.

This recent admission was only a small part of Ventura?s new book, ?American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies and More Lies the Government Tells Us,? which echoes a revisionist account of American history that holds the Bush administration responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks by implying that the Bush administration either knew about the attacks, did nothing to stop them or actually participated in them.

During a March 10 interview with Barbara Walters on ?The View,? Ventura implied the Bush/Cheney administration used 9/11 as a pretense to start the Iraq War under false pretenses. Ventura apparently developed this theory after former Kennedy/Johnson adviser Robert McNamara visited him at Harvard and allegedly admitted to him that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which escalated the Vietnam War, never actually happened.

Perhaps what Ventura is missing is that there is probably more incontrovertible evidence and more witnesses who have already established what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 than most major historical events. To dispute the conventional historical account is intellectually dishonest and nonsensical.

I know this because I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.

Although I arrived at Ground Zero shortly after the Twin Towers fell, I was in the danger zone created by Building 7 from the moment it collapsed in the afternoon, an event that is one of the key cornerstones of the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

Governor Ventura and many 9/11 ?Truthers? allege that government explosives caused the afternoon collapse of Building 7. This is false. I know this because I remember watching all 47 stories of Building 7 suddenly and silently crumble before my eyes.

Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building ? since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.

A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building?s imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy.
While I was talking with a fellow reporter and several NYPD officers, Building 7 suddenly collapsed, and before it hit the ground, not a single sound emanated from the tower area. There were no explosives; I would have heard them. In fact, I remember that in those few seconds, as the building sank to the ground that I was stunned by how quiet it was.

The myth that Building 7 was blown up by the U.S. government is false ? and so is the broader theory that our government was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks. I know this because I was one of the few reporters who investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends on location in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

In October 2001, I reported on a story for Gannett newspaper, The Journal News, that the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force was investigating a Brooklyn high school student for predicting the collapse of the World Trade Center five days before it happened.

To my surprise, the NYC Board of Education confirmed the story on the record and the FBI confirmed there had been rumors circulating in the New York City Arab-American community about a possible attack on Manhattan. My story was immediately confirmed by Newsweek Senior Editor Jonathan Alter, and after I penned a follow up in The Washington Times magazine, ?Insight,? I was interviewed by Fox News? Bill O?Reilly on ?The O?Reilly Factor.?

My investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories and urban legends led me to interview both American and Israeli intelligence officials as well as representatives of the Afghan Northern Alliance, FBI, NYPD and sources within the Muslim community of New York City.

Although I found trace evidence that vague rumors circulated within the Arab-American community that ?something was going to happen? in ?lower downtown Manhattan? on Sept. 11, I found no evidence of any conspiracy other than the one hatched by Al Qaeda that was later confirmed by the 9/11 Commission.

Since Al Qaeda once operated out of the Alkifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn and had many low level operatives working in the NYC area, it did not surprise me that rumors of their plan had leaked within the Arab-American community of New York. Many similar rumors and reports occur frequently, however, and so I have never faulted the Arab-American community or our government for not acting upon them.

In no instance did I ever once talk to one source who even hinted the American government had any foreknowledge or involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks. As an investigative reporter who survived the collapse of Building 7 and doggedly investigated 9/11 conspiracy theories in the wake of the attack, I am convinced the 9/11 ?Truther? movement is nothing more than a paranoid, delusional pack of lies.

[hypedough]

LOL @ the crickets, sorry I had to I think I'm the only person with you not on ignore so maybe it's a good thing for you? Either way, fuck Fox and no one will ever know the real truth behind 9/11 IMHO. Neither you nor I know anything legitimate that wasn't read/seen on the web.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by hypedough

LOL @ the crickets, sorry I had to I think I'm the only person with you not on ignore so maybe it's a good thing for you? Either way, fuck Fox and no one will ever know the real truth behind 9/11 IMHO. Neither you nor I know anything legitimate that wasn't read/seen on the web.

Thanks buddy,

[J. Falcon]

Jesse Ventura is my hero:

[Amputate Your Head]

Fox "News"... lol
they are less credible than religion.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Jesse Ventura is my hero:

Yeah his book isn't half bad, quick read backed up with documentation. Glad to see a few people on this board are open to things. I don't even ignore demon.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene. According to his article though, Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition, and it was no secret, there was no conspiracy.

Of course fox attacks Jesse Ventura cause he has long hair and smokes pot, but will not go after Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College who flat out said it was was an inside job and israel was behind it, last month. Fair and Balanced! ROFL

You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

[Serge Litehead]

so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Gouge

You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

Hmm was I debating who owned fox news? I don't trust any mainstream news station. Second, my question is why aren't they covering the fact that people in the military actually think that israel was behind this. If alan was on their shows I never heard them, but I believe you.

Thirdly, the main point of my post is that the reporter himself is saying that controlled demolition was an option and that everyone on the scene knew this. Are all buildings wired to come down at any time in NYC? This takes weeks of planning. Seems his attempt at crushing the truther movement actually made it stronger.

You didn't destroy anything in my post cause you totally ignored the main point I was bringing up, and called me a fucktard, just like O'rielly would do. BAaa

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by holograph

so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

They didn't make it clear cause it takes weeks to plan a controlled demolition, and that would indicate a plan. Of course don't listen to me this is all crazy talk. Everyone knows you can just run up into a building with a few explosives in a moments notice (even when the foundation is in an unstable state) and bring it down.

[MediaGuy]

Just cause some Gannet guy says he was there doesn't debunk anything. There were plenty of people who were there, cops, firemen and other city workers, who will testify to the opposite of what he says.

:D

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Hmm was I debating who owned fox news? I don't trust any mainstream news station. Second, my question is why aren't they covering the fact that people in the military actually think that israel was behind this. If alan was on their shows I never heard them, but I believe you.

Thirdly, the main point of my post is that the reporter himself is saying that controlled demolition was an option and that everyone on the scene knew this. Are all buildings wired to come down at any time in NYC? This takes weeks of planning. Seems his attempt at crushing the truther movement actually made it stronger.

You didn't destroy anything in my post cause you totally ignored the main point I was bringing up, and called me a fucktard, just like O'rielly would do. BAaa

You said "Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene." But in the article is says he works for Gannett News, there is no relation between the two companies. If Bill O'Reilly actually called someone a Fucktard on his show he wouldn't have a job.

And the rest of what you said i cant even comment on becuase we still have no idea who this so called reporter is that wrote the article that you posted.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by mayabong

They didn't make it clear cause it takes weeks to plan a controlled demolition, and that would indicate a plan. Of course don't listen to me this is all crazy talk. Everyone knows you can just run up into a building with a few explosives in a moments notice (even when the foundation is in an unstable state) and bring it down.

> Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition
does it mean they plan demolition in advance? maybe at the moment of construction took place, not sure how safe that would be.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Just cause some Gannet guy says he was there doesn't debunk anything. There were plenty of people who were there, cops, firemen and other city workers, who will testify to the opposite of what he says.

:D

Sorry I didn't post the article, here it is, attempting to debunk the 9/11 truth movement. Actually this is the first testamony I've heard of someone claiming to be right there. Where are these other testimonies that you speak of? Of course you have the video of silverstein saying they decided to pull the building. You also have the videos of workers, reporters, and firefighers talking of explosions and molten metal. I'm sure there are others that can debunk their claims .. somewhere.. somewhere.. right?

Article here.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...ro-sept-shame/

[mgtarheels]

Originally Posted by Gouge

You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

You should know that articles and testings published in Pop Sci have been fraud in the past.

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Jesse Ventura is my hero:

not mine either but he makes some pretty good points .

... when you're reeeeeeeeeealy HIGH!

[Gouge]

mayabong

Its funny that he's considered a kook, a couple weeks ago Doctor Alan Sabrosky, teacher at the Army war college, and vietnam vet didn't just say its an inside job, he flat out said israel was behind it. He also said that high levels of the military know this and are very angry. (search for yourself). Ask yourself, Why wasn't that on your fair and balanced news? Maybe Cause its a little easier to discredit jessee cause he smokes pot and has long hair. According to patriotsquestion911 (dot) com 400+ Medical Professionals 200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials 1,100+ Engineers and Architects 250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals 400+ Professors Question 9/11 300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members 200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals All think the offical story is a sham. Fox news has brainwashed you people into trusting them and not researching things on your own. P.S. According to your article, silverstein has his building wired for demolition at all times?? you got to be kidding me.. if anything that makes the truth movement stronger. LOL

Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

[hershie]

It only makes perfect sense to intellectually honest people like yourselves to ignore everything concluded by the world's foremost experts on these matters in the NIST report, and instead talk about eye witness accounts instead. Bravo.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Gouge

mayabong

Its funny that he's considered a kook, a couple weeks ago Doctor Alan Sabrosky, teacher at the Army war college, and vietnam vet didn't just say its an inside job, he flat out said israel was behind it. He also said that high levels of the military know this and are very angry. (search for yourself). Ask yourself, Why wasn't that on your fair and balanced news? Maybe Cause its a little easier to discredit jessee cause he smokes pot and has long hair. According to patriotsquestion911 (dot) com 400+ Medical Professionals 200+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials 1,100+ Engineers and Architects 250+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals 400+ Professors Question 9/11 300+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members 200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals All think the offical story is a sham. Fox news has brainwashed you people into trusting them and not researching things on your own. P.S. According to your article, silverstein has his building wired for demolition at all times?? you got to be kidding me.. if anything that makes the truth movement stronger. LOL

Thursday, April 22, 2010 at 2:06 PM

yea so? are all those people kooks too?

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by hershie

It only makes perfect sense to intellectually honest people like yourselves to ignore everything concluded by the world's foremost experts on these matters in the NIST report, and instead talk about eye witness accounts instead. Bravo.

OH yeah nist! you mean this guy?


Bravo!

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by mayabong

What is this garnett shit?? This is an article from fox news attempting to debunk the 9/11 truth movement.

Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?

Originally Posted by mayabong

Actually this is the first testamony I've heard of someone claiming to be right there. Where are these other testimonies that you speak of?

The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

[SmokeyTheBear]

not sure where that guy is coming from. Nobody has admitted building 7 was pulled infact quite the opposite. The only thing that was said was by silverstein himself saying they made the decision to pull the building. This could have meant "pull out of" not "pull down"

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?



The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

I realized that after I posted it, that fox news was not even mentioned in the article. He is a fox news contributor, does the fact that he worked somewhere before discredit him or something?

As far as your links thanks I'll check them out. Unlike most here, I'm open.

[mgtarheels]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Oy, this is what that article says:
"I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."

Didn't you read what you posted?



The research for this is pretty intensive and not as easy to find as all the official conspiracy theory versions, but if you put in a little time, it's there. One of the easiest sources is right there at the New York Times site.

These are the oral accounts of members of the FDNY and other first responders:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

You might also want to give this site a read, it's insanely dense with facts and sources:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...e_911_timeline

:D

Who he worked for at the time =/= who published the article. Fox News published the article.

[mayabong]

You know times are nuts when people in the military can come out and say 9/11 was an inside job and the "patriots" of the country brush them off as loons, and actually believe what Bill O'rielly or any other news anchor says as truth.. its really fucking unbelieveable. They deserve what they get in the end from their government for being dumb as a box of rocks.

Big list at http://patriotsquestion911.com

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Who he worked for at the time =/= who published the article. Fox News published the article.

All I'm saying is these big corporate news outlet reps are about as credible as Pat Robertson saying Haitians brought the earthquake on themselves because of a deal with the devil or that coalition forces shot and killed "known insurgents" in the latest news from Afghanistan.

:D

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by holograph

so it was a controlled demolition. why didn't they clear that up before? "building7 caught on fire and fall by itself" wasn't much credible to begin with.

Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

[baddog]

Saw Ventura on a show the other day. He is a fucking moron.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

All I'm saying is these big corporate news outlet reps are about as credible as Pat Robertson saying Haitians brought the earthquake on themselves because of a deal with the devil or that coalition forces shot and killed "known insurgents" in the latest news from Afghanistan.

:D

So this rep is obviously a loon. I'm sure if he would have left those couple sentences out about the demolition, he would have been just fine, and noone would even think to question his credibility.

The fact that its actually an anti-truther article and he mentions that to make his case, makes him alot more "credible" in my book.
Wow i'm taking up for a fox news reporter.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by baddog

Saw Ventura on a show the other day. He is a fucking moron.

From a job with made up injuries, to a job with made up promises, to a job with made up subjects.

Awesome.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

See haiti and Chili if you'd like to see what happens when an earthquake hits a building.

Floors pancake on top eachother.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

yeah ground shake makes a building fall straight up to its foundation, among all, the strongest building in the area, hours later

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yeah, because, you know, it's not like ten billion tons of concrete and what not just happened to fall right next to it, the impact of which was so strong it registered as a fucking earthquake.

FYI one of the towers fell DIRECTLY ONTO one of the smaller world trade centers, and it still had to be demolished, by workers. Explain that one.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Gouge

You do realise that Gannett News is owned and operated by Gannett Company, Inc. and not News Corp. that owns Fox News.

On a side note, Dr. Alan Sabrosky has not only been on Red Eye but the Alan Colmes Radio show and Geraldo Rivera's show debating the Popular Science magazine theories.

So in one fail swoop i have destroyed your entire post by knowing facts rather than making things up like you did up above.

Another uneducated Fucktard destroyed...whos next?

That wasn't so hard was it? I mean it literally takes seconds to destroy the arguments on this forum.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by The Demon

That wasn't so hard was it? I mean it literally takes seconds to destroy the arguments on this forum.

Yes its easy when you dodge the main point.. Also demon I posed the link directly to fox news afterwards.. yes your beloved fox news with facts says that everyone knew controlled demolition was an option...
wow..
hahahah

oh wait that reporter isn't credible!!

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Yes its easy when you dodge the main point.. Also demon I posed the link directly to fox news afterwards.. yes your beloved fox news with facts says that everyone knew controlled demolition was an option...
wow..
hahahah

oh wait that reporter isn't credible!!

::::Yawn:::::

[2012]

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by The Demon

::::Yawn:::::

Exactly move on sheep

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by mayabong

FYI one of the towers fell DIRECTLY ONTO one of the smaller world trade centers, and it still had to be demolished, by workers. Explain that one.

simple, that one didn't catch a fire

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by holograph

simple, that one didn't catch a fire

Rofl

[dav3]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Great article from a fox news reporter who was actually on the scene. According to his article though, Larry Silverstein's buildings are always wired for controlled demolition, and it was no secret, there was no conspiracy.

No secret? LOL

That lying sack of shit should be prosecuted for treason. Good thing he collected all that insurance money. Fucking pud.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201A.pdf

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by baddog

Saw Ventura on a show the other day. He is a fucking moron.

You saw him on a show and he's an idiot. Why exactly is he an idiot?

[SpongeBub]

The only "great job" that Fox News has ever done is sucking Dubya and Rambo Cheney's dicks for 8 years. Hell, they still go down on either one of them any chance they get.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by holograph

simple, that one didn't catch a fire

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

From a job with made up injuries, to a job with made up promises, to a job with made up subjects.

Awesome.

The point of me posting this article goes right over people's heads. He's attempting to debunk ventura, but at the same time admitting what ventura (and millions of others) have been saying all along.. Bombs in the fucking building. Jeez, the future not looking good for america.

[WarChild]

I wouldn't worry too much. There's a reason why these Internet scientists, most of which don't have a grasp on common sense never mind advanced physics, are stuck trying to share their "truth" with people on message boards. It's because nobody takes them seriously anywhere else.

One of my favorite arguments is that the WTC Towers fell directly in their own footprint, straight down. Well of course they did! This isn't evidence of any controlled demolition however. The largest force acting on the buildings by far was gravity. Absent another force pushing or pulling in another direction other than straight down, gravity is going to win. This is high school stuff guys!

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I wouldn't worry too much. There's a reason why these Internet scientists, most of which don't have a grasp on common sense never mind advanced physics, are stuck trying to share their "truth" with people on message boards. It's because nobody takes them seriously anywhere else.

One of my favorite arguments is that the WTC Towers fell directly in their own footprint, straight down. Well of course they did! This isn't evidence of any controlled demolition however. The largest force acting on the buildings by far was gravity. Absent another force pushing or pulling in another direction other than straight down, gravity is going to win. This is high school stuff guys!

Actually Richard Gage tours around the country and fills up auditoriums everywhere he goes. Yes they fell into their own footprint, but they also fell at freefall accelleration through the past of most resistence. Yes this is high school physics, unfortunately most don't apply that. Here is richard gage explaining in KINDERGARDEN terms... still everything he says falls on deaf ears.

[Agent 488]

i listen to pro wrestlers not scientists for my info.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Actually Richard Gage tours around the country and fills up auditoriums everywhere he goes. Yes they fell into their own footprint, but they also fell at freefall accelleration through the past of most resistence. Yes this is high school physics, unfortunately most don't apply that. Here is richard gage explaining in KINDERGARDEN terms... still everything he says falls on deaf ears.

No they didn't fall at free fall speeds. This is just a falacy you are repeating. Have you actually read the NIST report? Have you watched the video that demonstrated exactly how they measured how quickly the building fell? It was not free fall speed, period.

You guys are so ridiculous. Of course it falls on deaf ears! It's absurd on the face and not even worth arguing about.

Anyway enjoy your detective work. I feel safer knowing we have aces like you on the Internet and on the case to find the truth wherever it may hide!

[seeandsee]

freaky videos for me