Porn Stars Decry Piracy.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Not sure if this has been posted or not!

Linky!

[Barefootsies]

Interesting.

Guess they are not happy with pay cuts.

[grumpy]

good call, but will it have any effect?

[seeandsee]

we will see

[gideongallery]

dam those vcr they are destroying the industry

oh wait sorry that was the old battle cry

dam those {insert new technology which will make the industry more money once they get their heads out of their asses} they are destroying the industry.

[FlexxAeon]

so we're begging now?

fuck a PSA

recognize this is war and act accordingly

[GatorB]

Cachapero says the porn industry is years behind the anti-piracy efforts of the recording industry and the mainstream motion-picture industry. Those efforts include lobbying, digital rights management and even litigation.

And those efforts have done NOTHING to stop piracy and only pissed off legit customers and most likely turning many them into pirates as they get frustrated by things like DRM and what they view as high prices.

[TheDoc]

Wasn't it "Internet Porn" that was ripping DVD sales 15 years before Tubes came around? That's one serious ass jump....

[FreeHugeMovies]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

dam those vcr they are destroying the industry

oh wait sorry that was the old battle cry

dam those {insert new technology which will make the industry more money once they get their heads out of their asses} they are destroying the industry.

That's one of the worst comparison?s I've ever seen on GFY.

[HomerSimpson]

interesting video for sure...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

That's one of the worst comparison?s I've ever seen on GFY.

He never disappoints does he ......


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[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

That's one of the worst comparison?s I've ever seen on GFY.

I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone

We are facing a very new and a very troubling assault on our fiscal security, on our very economic life and we are facing it from a thing called the video cassette recorder and its necessary companion called the blank tape. And it is like a great tidal wave just off the shore. This video cassette recorder and the blank tape threaten profoundly the life-sustaining protection, I guess you would call it, on which copyright owners depend, on which film people depend, on which television people depend and it is called copyright.

against the vcr which was responsible for creating the home viewing marketplace which within 5 years of being created exclipsed all other revenue source combined

If you buy a DVD you have a copy. If you want a backup copy you buy another one.

against consumer dvd burners which btw resulted in massive drop in the price of commercial dvd duplication.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

He never disappoints does he .......

you need to tattoo clueless in big red letters across your forehead.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Cachapero says the porn industry is years behind the anti-piracy efforts of the recording industry and the mainstream motion-picture industry. Those efforts include lobbying, digital rights management and even litigation.

And those efforts have done NOTHING to stop piracy and only pissed off legit customers and most likely turning many them into pirates as they get frustrated by things like DRM and what they view as high prices.

funny how this industry was the one who figuired out how to make money from the vcr while mpaa was calling it the boston strangler and now the industry so clueless that the best thing they can come up with is copy the cluessless industries who have a proven track record of getting it totally wrong.

[Dirty Dane]

Already posted.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Cachapero says the porn industry is years behind the anti-piracy efforts of the recording industry and the mainstream motion-picture industry. Those efforts include lobbying, digital rights management and even litigation.

And those efforts have done NOTHING to stop piracy and only pissed off legit customers and most likely turning many them into pirates as they get frustrated by things like DRM and what they view as high prices.

i really hope we aren't staying away from DRM and price increases simply because the customer gets 'pissed off/frustrated'. things need to change, and since not everyone likes change, there's bound to be those who won't like it.

instead of us making 'please don't steal our shit' PSA's we should be making 'this is why we have to PROTECT our shit' announcements!

[Dirty Lord]

old, i think

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i really hope we aren't staying away from DRM and price increases simply because the customer gets 'pissed off/frustrated'. things need to change, and since not everyone likes change, there's bound to be those who won't like it.

instead of us making 'please don't steal our shit' PSA's we should be making 'this is why we have to PROTECT our shit' announcements!

nope you should be trying to figuire out how to make money from the new distribution channel like this industry did with the VCR.

You guys are going to kick yourself when you see how simple it is.

[Paul Markham]

They have been complaining for years, so I won't hold my breath on this one.

"Many adult-film producers within the last month have begun employing fingerprinting technology to track online copyright infringement, Cachapero says. A bounty of copyright infringement lawsuits might follow, Cachapero said."

[aniloscash]

they have been talking about finger printing pictures and video for 10 years. one day I guess they will have a spider that can crawl the web looking for the fingerprint and generate a list of urls that have stolen your content

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i really hope we aren't staying away from DRM and price increases simply because the customer gets 'pissed off/frustrated'. things need to change, and since not everyone likes change, there's bound to be those who won't like it.

I don't care if you're talking about music, mainstream movies or porn, it's the CONSUMER that determines the price. In the old days if a video tape or a magazine cost to much comsumer didn't have a choice other than not to buy the product. That in of itself can effect prices. Now they can get it other ways and once a consumer gets something for free they'll think it's ok to do all the time. So I think it's kind of important to make sure that happens as little as possible. Sure you can say 99 cents for a song from Itunes is a fair price. Hell I was paying that much for 45 singles 30 years ago. That's $2.50 in today's money. But the majority is only willing to pay $49 cents max then that's what you have to charge unless you're willing to give up on a potential customer forever.

instead of us making 'please don't steal our shit' PSA's we should be making 'this is why we have to PROTECT our shit' announcements!

Let me clue you in. People that download don't give a shit and think you'll keeping making porn forever. And until there isn't anymore new porn being made they have no reason to think otherwise.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I don't care if you're talking about music, mainstream movies or porn, it's the CONSUMER that determines the price. In the old days if a video tape or a magazine cost to much comsumer didn't have a choice other than not to buy the product. That in of itself can effect prices. Now they can get it other ways and once a consumer gets something for free they'll think it's ok to do all the time. So I think it's kind of important to make sure that happens as little as possible. Sure you can say 99 cents for a song from Itunes is a fair price. Hell I was paying that much for 45 singles 30 years ago. That's $2.50 in today's money. But the majority is only willing to pay $49 cents max then that's what you have to charge unless you're willing to give up on a potential customer forever.

i think the "consumer" is losing the privilege of "determining price" in the digital realm. all paying customers are not honest customers. a customer who is lost because of a higher price, when the reason behind that higher price is all around them, is (imo) one who was probably gonna steal anyway. dont wanna raise the price point? fine. then you should be doing everything in your power to protect it. either way, i'd risk losing customers in an attempt to stop hemorrhaging money.

we scream bloody murder whenever microsoft, apple, adobe, or any other company makes us jump through all kinds of security and verification hoops to make sure we're not stealing their shit. but they do it because they know if they make it easy for us to steal it, we will. they don't make PSA's begging us not to (well, maybe they do but they do it in CONJUNCTION with the hoops & price increases )

Originally Posted by GatorB

Let me clue you in. People that download don't give a shit and think you'll keeping making porn forever. And until there isn't anymore new porn being made they have no reason to think otherwise.

i'm well aware that they don't give a shit. my question is: why are we pandering to them?

[AdultSoftwareSolutions]

There are 2 reasons people pirate content.

1) They don't have the money or feel that the product is too expensive.
2) The site is so restrictive or inconvenient it is easier for them to pirate it. DRM, slow servers, and horrible interfaces are some of the problems that plague potential customers.

While not a solution I believe there are steps that can be taken to make people less likely to pirate content.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by AdultSoftwareSolutions

There are 2 reasons people pirate content.

1) They don't have the money or feel that the product is too expensive.
2) The site is so restrictive or inconvenient it is easier for them to pirate it. DRM, slow servers, and horrible interfaces are some of the problems that plague potential customers.

While not a solution I believe there are steps that can be taken to make people less likely to pirate content.

i'd pretty much argue the exact opposite on both points

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

nope you should be trying to figuire out how to make money from the new distribution channel like this industry did with the VCR.

You guys are going to kick yourself when you see how simple it is.

Do you know any other songs?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i'd pretty much argue the exact opposite on both points

And you'd be wrong.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

And you'd be wrong.

go for it

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i think the "consumer" is losing the privilege of "determining price" in the digital realm. all paying customers are not honest customers. a customer who is lost because of a higher price, when the reason behind that higher price is all around them, is (imo) one who was probably gonna steal anyway.

Really it cost 99 cents to distribute a 25 year old song digitally? To assume that customers that download illegally are people that would have done it anyways is a suicidal way to think business wise.

dont wanna raise the price point? fine. then you should be doing everything in your power to protect it. either way, i'd risk losing customers in an attempt to stop hemorrhaging money.

You're hemorrhaging money anyways if you try to do what the music and movie industry tries to do. How's that working out for them?

we scream bloody murder whenever microsoft, apple, adobe, or any other company makes us jump through all kinds of security and verification hoops to make sure we're not stealing their shit. but they do it because they know if they make it easy for us to steal it, we will. they don't make PSA's begging us not to (well, maybe they do but they do it in CONJUNCTION with the hoops & price increases )



I'm well aware that they don't give a shit. my question is: why are we pandering to them?

You know keeping thinking in old ways and thinking content has the same value it always has and you'll be on food stamps and welfare in no time.

Yes 15 years ago you could sell a 2 hour porn video in a porno shop for $25. You can't today. The value of that content is worth MUCH less than it was in the past. Now you can accept that and make the proper adjustments or you can keeping trying to get $25 for something people don't even think is worth $5 all the way to the poor house.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

go for it

YOU go for it because I have yet to hear a counter argument explaining WHY you feel it's not correct.

[digitaldivas]

what makes me sick people, are the whole host of little fucktard comments people made at the youtube posts

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Really it cost 99 cents to distribute a 25 year old song digitally? To assume that customers that download illegally are people that would have done it anyways is a suicidal way to think business wise.

they don't do it simply because they are thieves they do it because its EASY! not everyone is a bank robber but the main reason for that is because it's not easy to do so. but those same people who would "never' rob a bank wouldn't be so honest if they found a bag of money and no one could track them down

Originally Posted by GatorB

You're hemorrhaging money anyways if you try to do what the music and movie industry tries to do. How's that working out for them?

at least they're trying to stop the bleeding instead of laying there watching the blood drain and whining about it

Originally Posted by GatorB

You know keeping thinking in old ways and thinking content has the same value it always has and you'll be on food stamps and welfare in no time.

Yes 15 years ago you could sell a 2 hour porn video in a porno shop for $25. You can't today. The value of that content is worth MUCH less than it was in the past. Now you can accept that and make the proper adjustments or you can keeping trying to get $25 for something people don't even think is worth $5 all the way to the poor house.

failing to protect your own property, regardless of current market value, means that you don't value it at all. that's the difference. my old secondary 1999 car isn't as valuable as it was 10 years ago but i still lock the door

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

YOU go for it because I have yet to hear a counter argument explaining WHY you feel it's not correct.

very well...

1) product isn't expensive. i don't need to elaborate on this too much as YOU AND I have already mentioned it several times in this thread. you can get the equivalent of hundreds of DVD's for 30-40 bucks. and even if that were some how some way so damned expensive, you got yer free options out there

2) there's is nothing complicated about members areas. DRM is rarely used. you can download video in multiple formats and bitrates. and now, many sites are using flash players for their streaming option - which we know EVERYONE can figure out since youtube and all tubes use the same thing.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

at least they're trying to stop the bleeding instead of laying there watching the blood drain and whining about it

Bleeding? Maybe you didn't know, but both the Music and Movie Industries have been posting record profits.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Bleeding? Maybe you didn't know, but both the Music and Movie Industries have been posting record profits.

well i didn't really say they were. that comment was more for argument sake

i know how much i alone have spent on music since getting my ipod but didn't know it was record profits. good to know

now someone tell GatorB

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

very well...

1) product isn't expensive. i don't need to elaborate on this too much as YOU AND I have already mentioned it several times in this thread. you can get the equivalent of hundreds of DVD's for 30-40 bucks. and even if that were some how some way so damned expensive, you got yer free options out there

2) there's is nothing complicated about members areas. DRM is rarely used. you can download video in multiple formats and bitrates. and now, many sites are using flash players for their streaming option - which we know EVERYONE can figure out since youtube and all tubes use the same thing.

You're focusing on adult only while I'm talking about entertainment as a whole. Considering the article is based on the porn industry doing what the mainstream entertainment has been doing for over a decade I think that's more relevant. And considering the utter failure of the mainstream entertainment industry to stem piracy I think pretty much says the porn industry trying to do the same things will be met with similar failure.

You say DRM is used very little but that's what the movie industry uses and like I said the article suggest doing what the mainstream movies industry is doing. Oh and by the way you know insanely easy it is to bypass DRM?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

well i didn't really say they were. that comment was more for argument sake

i know how much i alone have spent on music since getting my ipod but didn't know it was record profits. good to know

now someone tell GatorB

Hey fucktard that has nothing to do with the topic moron.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

they don't do it simply because they are thieves they do it because its EASY!

Actually it's easier to buy a DVD or downloadload a movie from itunes or watch it via PPV on your TV.

at least they're trying to stop the bleeding instead of laying there watching the blood drain and whining about it

How's that working out? How did suing everyone work for the music industry? They've stopped because it failed and it alientated people. You now have a whole generation of people that will NEVER pay for music because they see the music industry as greedy fuckers. Geuss what they'll have kids and guess what they'll teach them? That you should download music without paying for it. Real smart music industry. Notice the music industry dumped DRM too.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You're focusing on adult only while I'm talking about entertainment as a whole. Considering the article is based on the porn industry doing what the mainstream entertainment has been doing for over a decade I think that's more relevant. And considering the utter failure of the mainstream entertainment industry to stem piracy I think pretty much says the porn industry trying to do the same things will be met with similar failure.

You say DRM is used very little but that's what the movie industry uses and like I said the article suggest doing what the mainstream movies industry is doing. Oh and by the way you know insanely easy it is to bypass DRM?

the discussion was (supposed to be) about the original post. adult. that's what the article was about after all

Originally Posted by GatorB

Hey fucktard that has nothing to do with the topic moron.

if you were all this time arguing about entertainment as a whole then TheDoc's info is very much on your topic

....and easy with the 'fucktards' & 'morons' it's just a debate.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You're focusing on adult only while I'm talking about entertainment as a whole. Considering the article is based on the porn industry doing what the mainstream entertainment has been doing for over a decade I think that's more relevant. And considering the utter failure of the mainstream entertainment industry to stem piracy I think pretty much says the porn industry trying to do the same things will be met with similar failure.

You say DRM is used very little but that's what the movie industry uses and like I said the article suggest doing what the mainstream movies industry is doing. Oh and by the way you know insanely easy it is to bypass DRM?

funny thing is that this was the industry that figuired out how to make money from the vcr
while the movie industry was suing and predicting doom and gloom.

now it basically patting itself on the back for the idea of copying the failed actions of their mainstream counterparts.

it really sad.