Notice of Termination due to New California Law (Amazon Associates)

[RyuLion]

Unfortunately, Governor Brown has signed into law the bill that we emailed you about earlier today. As a result of this, contracts with all California residents participating in the Amazon Associates Program are terminated effective today, June 29, 2011. Those California residents will no longer receive advertising fees for sales referred to Amazon.com, Endless.com, MYHABIT.COM or SmallParts.com. Please be assured that all qualifying advertising fees earned before today will be processed and paid in full in accordance with the regular payment schedule.

You are receiving this email because our records indicate that you are a resident of California. If you are not currently a resident of California, or if you are relocating to another state in the near future, you can manage the details of your Associates account here. And if you relocate to another state in the near future please contact us for reinstatement into the Amazon Associates Program.

To avoid confusion, we would like to clarify that this development will only impact our ability to offer the Associates Program to California residents and will not affect your ability to purchase from Amazon.com, Endless.com, MYHABIT.COM or SmallParts.com.

We have enjoyed working with you and other California-based participants in the Amazon Associates Program and, if this situation is rectified, would very much welcome the opportunity to re-open our Associates Program to California residents. As mentioned before, we are continuing to work on alternative ways to help California residents monetize their websites and we will be sure to contact you when these become available.

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[amateurbfs]

Every day not living in California just gets better and better.

[marketsmart]

what is this new bill about?



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[Fat Panda]

IL recently passed similar bill...fucking idiots

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Every day not living in California just gets better and better.

This is one small positive for me as well

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

what is this new bill about?
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in short it's about collecting sales tax for internet sales i believe.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

what is this new bill about?



.

I don't know, I don't even wanna know..

I moved from CA 3 years ago but just recently changed my address in my profile..I guess I gotta tell them that I changed States...
Fuck you CA!!! <-----

[famous]

Cali...great weather....stupid politicians lol

[Tom_PM]

Just like several other states. It's the states' fault(s) for demanding taxes because they want to say that every affiliate is a "physical presence" just like an actual store would be and therefore since they have a "physical presence" in the state, they MUST collect sales taxes. Texas sent Amazon a 269 billion dollar tax bill claiming that's what they owe for all of their "unpaid" taxes. Overstock.com will do it too.

It's been done in New York, North Carolina, Hawaii, Rhode Island and Colorado, and like I said Texas will no doubt be next. They're trying to demand all this money, and all they're doing is killing small businesses in the form of affiliates.

Amazon has a point. Once they've chopped off ALL 50 states affiliates (where else is the end game if not there?), then how can state governments claim they have to collect sales tax? Amazon bets that they can't, and then they'll be able to stop collecting sales tax.

States are screwing their own states' online affiliates by saying their home is a store because proactive companies are nuking them in protest.

[icymelon]

thats really stupid

[Caligari]

more on the story here
http://www.webpronews.com/should-the...-taxed-2011-06

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by famous

Cali...great weather....

what?

[sicone]

I don't understand why they are cutting off the affiliates, consumers from the state buying from Amazon will still be taxed based on this new law. Sounds more like they are just cutting out their affiliate model.

[Luscious Media]

Originally Posted by SAC

IL recently passed similar bill...fucking idiots

CT as well.

In a nutshell, the States are attempting to collect tax revenue from Amazon affiliates sales (not so much the affiliates themselves) because those affiliates reside in said State. Currently no taxes are collected because Amazon does NOT reside in said States or a State with a sales tax, Seattle, Washington. To combat/protest the issue Amazon is teminating all affiliate accounts in said State making the bill/law moot.

In the end the States get nothing and the affiliates lose.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by sicone

I don't understand why they are cutting off the affiliates, consumers from the state buying from Amazon will still be taxed based on this new law. Sounds more like they are just cutting out their affiliate model.

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/ca...ates-20110630/

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by sicone

I don't understand why they are cutting off the affiliates, consumers from the state buying from Amazon will still be taxed based on this new law. Sounds more like they are just cutting out their affiliate model.

They're shooting themselves on the foot and they won't be able to stand up soon..

[Brujah]

They always focus on Taxing everyone. How about CUT SPENDING if you can't afford it?

However, I can see this point.

Not collecting sales taxes gave Internet retailers a competitive price advantage over California's small businesses such as independent booksellers and big-box retailers with a presence in the state, including Barnes & Noble Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Best Buy Co. and Target Corp.

"You can't give one segment of retail a 10% discount every day. It's just not fair," said Bill Dombrowski, president of the California Retailers Assn., a major player in a coalition of large and small stores supporting the legislation.

[Tom_PM]

1 800 businesses have avoided collecting taxes and still do though. It's because the internet is popular as all hell with millions of people spending billions of dollars.. THEN it got the state's notice. Big money.

[sicone]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/ca...ates-20110630/

Seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about this right now.

From your link it says..

The latest state to jump in the online sales tax revenue trough is California whose governor signed legislation earlier this week. The new law would mandate sales tax collections from online retailers who maintain a physical presence in the state which would include affiliates.

And then in the other link posted...

(The bill) specifically imposes the collection of taxes from consumers on sales by online retailers ? including but not limited to those referred by California-based marketing affiliates like you ? even if those retailers have no physical presence in the state.

[brassmonkey]

now the people need to ban together and make the internet tax free. we pay enough now they waste it. now the citizens suffer.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by sicone

Seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about this right now.

From your link it says..




And then in the other link posted...

its because amazon has warehouses in cali

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by SAC

IL recently passed similar bill...fucking idiots

Yup, fucking Democrats.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by Brujah

They always focus on Taxing everyone. How about CUT SPENDING if you can't afford it?

Those two words don't fit well with this administration or mores specifically in democratically controlled states.

[babymaker]

Sounds from that email that they are saying without saying to change your info to another state and tell them you moved. So just do that They made it real obvious

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Sounds from that email that they are saying without saying to change your info to another state and tell them you moved. So just do that They made it real obvious

Yeah, as long as you have a mailing address in another state.

[cherrylula]

Fucking lame. Why do they think some work from home affiliate marketers are responsible for CA sales tax?? Stupid politicians.

[RyuLion]

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

what is this new bill about?



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Amazon is cancelling affiliates who live in states which are enacting internet sales tax bills.

Yet another potential use for inexpensive corporations located in a state which does not yet have an internet sales tax.

[woj]

The tax in question is sales tax for goods that amazon sells... the reason that affiliates are mixed up in this, is the new law states that if you pay affiliates in California, then that is considered doing business in California and so sales tax needs to be collected...

at least that's how I understand it...

[woj]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Sounds from that email that they are saying without saying to change your info to another state and tell them you moved. So just do that They made it real obvious

in the html version of that email, there is actually a little "" icon after that sentence...

[PornoMonster]

I did not read the article, as I should, BUT
are they wanting to collect SALES tax? Or Affiliate INCOME tax??
anyway, seems if more states are going to this, I would figure a way to collect taxes instead of losing all the affiliates...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by woj

The tax in question is sales tax for goods that amazon sells... the reason that affiliates are mixed up in this, is the new law states that if you pay affiliates in California, then that is considered doing business in California and so sales tax needs to be collected...

at least that's how I understand it...

Oh, thanks!

Well, I would Quit trying to find a loop hole in not having people pay sales tax, and just charge sales tax. I would think checking to see if the sale came from an affiliate in CA or not, before applying sales tax is more trouble than charging each states sales tax...

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Amazon is cancelling affiliates who live in states which are enacting internet sales tax bills.

Yet another potential use for inexpensive corporations located in a state which does not yet have an internet sales tax.

I need to correct this. Amanzon does collect sales tax for Kansas sales because of the Coffeyville distribution Center but has NOT cut off Kansas affiliates.

[marlboroack]

My power bill was 400$ this month

[V_RocKs]

Time for me to move.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Oh, thanks!

Well, I would Quit trying to find a loop hole in not having people pay sales tax, and just charge sales tax. I would think checking to see if the sale came from an affiliate in CA or not, before applying sales tax is more trouble than charging each states sales tax...

It is not a "loophole" and I will soon be both discussing this matter and offering a legal and ethical solution for banned Amazon affilates on the Mainstream forum, regardless in which of the banned states they live.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Time for me to move.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Time for me to move.

You don't need to move.

I will soon be both discussing this matter and offering a legal and ethical solution for banned Amazon affilates on the Mainstream forum, regardless in which of the banned states they live.

[SomeCreep]

Wow, ya all this so Amazon can avoid paying taxes. If some day they are obligated by law to pay state taxes, their stock is going to plummet by 30 - 50%.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Wow, ya all this so Amazon can avoid paying taxes. If some day they are obligated by law to pay state taxes, their stock is going to plummet by 30 - 50%.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Wow, ya all this so Amazon can avoid paying taxes. If some day they are obligated by law to pay state taxes, their stock is going to plummet by 30 - 50%.

In this instance, Amazon does NOT "pay taxes" but instead acts as a TAX COLLECTOR for the various states and the taxes collected are passed on the the customer.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Wow, ya all this so Amazon can avoid paying taxes. If some day they are obligated by law to pay state taxes, their stock is going to plummet by 30 - 50%.

Not really. The business does not pay taxes. A business collects the sales tax from the consumer then passes it to the state.

This really is a fair law, why should a business in your community be at a disadvantage overall price wise compared to an internet business? Also the state will just collect taxes from you in other forms to make up the shortcoming.

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

I need to correct this. Amanzon does collect sales tax for Kansas sales because of the Coffeyville distribution Center but has NOT cut off Kansas affiliates.

Don't look to this douche for advise, he's already fucked up.

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[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

You don't need to move.

I will soon be both discussing this matter and offering a legal and ethical solution for banned Amazon affilates on the Mainstream forum, regardless in which of the banned states they live.

Guess what's going to happen to THAT thread.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

States are screwing their own states' online affiliates by saying their home is a store because proactive companies are nuking them in protest.

Actually states are protecting their income. Also do you really think staters care more for some guy working from home or an actual retailer paying sales tax, property tax, employing workers, etc .....

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[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Guess what's going to happen to THAT thread.

If you want to try to screw up a legal and ethical solution to the problems faced by Amazon affiliates in Amazon banned states, you just go right ahead. In fact, I wish you would because you and your fellow haters will show yourselves for what you really are.

You would rather that the banned Amazon affilates remain banned and lose their ability to earn because you want to fuck with me and that will be obvious to all who view the thread.

You have already outed yourself but you have a nice day anyway.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Texas sent Amazon a 269 billion dollar tax bill claiming that's what they owe for all of their "unpaid" taxes.

Whatever happened with that? I'm thinking Amazon filed it in the shredder but I could be wrong. :D


Couldn't Amazon just add some code into their existing script that identifies which state the purchaser is in and then add on the applicable state sales tax? Problem solved, no?

[ruff]

This is just the beginning. Every state is hurting for money. That the Internet is not taxed is just killing the lazy politicians. A little bit at a time until every transaction on the web is taxed. That's what is coming so you better be prepared for it.

There is too much money on the table for it to be ignored any more.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Couldn't Amazon just add some code into their existing script that identifies which state the purchaser is in and then add on the applicable state sales tax? Problem solved, no?

It's the ship to state, that info is already there as the delivery address.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's the ship to state, that info is already there as the delivery address.

So what is CA bitching about then?