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will76

I'm willing to give anyone with a cam site the best advice they could ever get for a small fee if they want to have a top 5 ranked cam site. And if they are already in the top 5 I can help them go to #1 and stay there by doing things their competitors haven't even thought of yet.

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adapt or die.

Semi-Retired-Dave

You are comparing our Cams site to these?
I take that as a compliment, Thank you.

LiveJasmin: 40
Streamate: 232
ImLive: 1,294
Cams: 1,333
MyFreeCams: 1,644
Sexier: 5,704
Flirt4free: 5,757
Webcams: 6,374
iFriendsv2: 10,523
WebcamClub: 13,466
PrivateCamz: 17,470
SecretFriends: 19,023
PrivateFeeds: 48,473

You don't get it and I don't think you will. But thank you for trying to explain.

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Ethersync

You know your shit. It would be money well spent.

Ethersync

You ignored every issue I brought up and then resorted to personal attacks. Exactly what I have seen you do in other posts where people gave your advice. Your arrogance is going to be the death of CyberAge and CamsNetwork. Mark my words

Semi-Retired-Dave

These are not things you HAVE to do to adapt, these are things you do because you enjoy
this business and making money.

We started the cam site because we always wanted a cam site. Not because we wanted to Adapt to Anything. If we didn't build the Cam Site, we still have everything else we run which is still doing great. My point is not everyone would DIE as everyone calls it.

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Semi-Retired-Dave

NO, actually you are basing my company and my company sales by your traffic source which people don't do. So the arrogance is on your part. It's not a personal attack but if you aren't sitting with my CFO, you really don't know what goes on. So please don't speculate.

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will76

Dave to be honest he makes some good points. You guys obviously are pro's with AVS sites but when it comes to cams you are venturing into something that you know very little about. There is a lot more to building a successful cam site than creating a site around cams.com's models, showing the chathost profiles, and selling cam credits. You could do so much more. Using one of your competitors models limits you big time on what you can do with the site. It also makes affiliates wonder why they would want to use you vs cams.com.


Obviously these posts are self promoting your site, which is props to you on that most people didn't catch it. (nothing wrong with doing that). But telling people we had record sales really doesn't tell people much.

Not sure who you have on your team that is a pro with cams that is helping you but I've talked to you and offered to give you every bit of cam knowledge I have every learned to help you build a site that will rival livejasmin, myfreecams, streammates. I've offered to do this for a small fee (about the cost of a set of tires for one of your sports cars), that I would also refund to you if you didn't see value in what I put together. Maybe you like the quick and easy approach of what you have now vs a full blown cam site, or maybe you think you have all the answers and don't need help, or maybe you think I don't know shit. I don't know. But I can relate and understand where the previous poster was coming from with his comments.

I have all of this knowledge on cam sites that I would love to see put into use and explode a cam company to the top, but all of the cam sites either think they know it all, happy where they are at, don't want to spend a couple bucks for help, or think I don't have the answers. I can tell them this much though, if I wanted to make a dating site (which I don't know much about) and someone approached me who has sent over 100K dating signups over the years, have owned their own dating site etc... and offered to help, I would drain every bit of info I could out of that person.

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Semi-Retired-Dave

I respect you and I think you are a very knowledgeable, If our Cams Sales stayed the way they are right now, I would be very happy. I'm not trying to be the next Cams.com,
If you want a job working out of our offices, I could arrange that, but we don't outsource work.

This post had nothing to do with Cams, it had to do with you don't need to start a tube site or else close your doors. That's All.

If I wanted any advice regarding our Cams Site, you would be by far the first and only person I would talk to.

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will76

with a 100% money back guarantee if they didn't see the value.

Don't understand, I've talked to about 5 different cam companies and i am sure 5+ more have seen my offers. All i get from these guys is " send me your traffic".

Do you want 1 new affiliate or do you want to make your site BETTER, more profitable, which in turn makes you a lot more competitive because your affiliates are making more money, which will get you tons of new affiliates. Can't see the forest through the trees.

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will76

Thanks for the offer and respect. I'm not looking for a job. Think of it this way, when you want to build a building do you draw the plans up yourself or do you go to the best architect in town to print out the blue prints. If you have a good builder (programs, designer, etc..) you can still use your guys to build it, but you really need someone with lots of knowledge to put the blue prints together for your guys to use.

I am offering the blue prints. I don't need to be local for that. I don't do code, but I can explain to programmers what needs to be done. I don't do design, but I can explain to designers what needs to be done.

" If I wanted advice" you saying that you don't want advice that you guys are happy where you are at. Can I ask, who is giving you advice currently and has helped you so far? How much experience do they have with cams. If you hare happy where you are at then hey, no problem keep doing what you doing. If you want to be a top 5 ranked cam site vs a top 20 (not traffic but sales) then I do hope you get some help, whether it is from me or some one else qualified.

Its funny you have two types of new cam site owners out there, the people new to adult and don't know anything and the ones who have been successful with other adult ventures getting into cams for the first time. I can understand in your situation, you have done very well with AVS (and I assume other things not mentioned here) but just because you have been successful in one thing don't let that make you be over confident that you wouldn't need help with Cams. I've had someone new to adult try to hire me that was doing a start up cam site. It was a train wreck in the making, I declined because there was no amount of help even I could help him. He was on a shoe sting budget and had studied cams for 6 months so he though he knew just about everything there was to know That site is gone now btw...

I can relate, I made the same mistakes with offline ventures over the last 5 years and even some online ones. But I've quickly learned when I step outside of what I do best, I am a noob, I check my ego at the door and I try to find the people who are successful in this new area and I try to get them to help as much as possible.

Anyway, little side track to "adapt or die" but I hope it has been helpfull in some way to you, or some one else.

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Ethersync

Alexa is fairly independent though you could look at Compete or Quantcast and see the same thing.

I did not bash your sales, but if I was to guess I would say you might get $1k USD gross on a good day and you might have a couple decent affiliates sending traffic. And I am sure that is an improvement. I am also very sure you are way in the red. Of course that is only speculation, but I do not think I am too far off.

CamsNetwork affiliates? I doubt that is true unless you are paying prepaid minimum deals though maybe we have diverging points of view on what is a "shit load" of money.

I have only been promoting cam sites off and on for a decade and made a couple million doing it. I am sure you know more...

I do wish you luck though.

Ethersync

I know a couple people you should talk to. I'll drop them your ICQ and email.

Klen

Ski or die???

will76

thanks At this point, I want more to see my plans become a reality and kick ass than I am looking for a paycheck for providing the info. I have ideas / features I have been thinking about for 10 years that I want to see implemented. I rather not give it away free and would like to be compensated for my time, but who ever (if anyone) takes me up on this offer they will be getting the bargain of a life time for the price and I can only hope they are generous and if I help them make millions they kick me back some extra bonuses in the future

Also would be nice to show the people who turned me down, this could have been you lol.

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Ethersync

Well, do not waste your knowledge on the undeserving and make for damn sure you get compensated with either cash or a decent equity position or some combination of the two. You have a reputation that many here will vouch for.

mikke

adapt or die - true only in case *LEGAL* tube site..

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Nubiles

There are many legal tubes and they make money just like thumbed tgps and mgps used to. Just because some tubes got big and used illegal content to do it, does that mean the thumbed tgp and mgp freesites are not allowed to adapt to new formats?

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I'm one of those guys that don't have a Tube site, and I'm doing great.

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The Porn Nerd

I hear ya brother, believe me I do! My personal situation is I am sitting here thinking about traffic, and creating my own traffic network, and tubes are a good way to go ('good' being a relative term). But then i think what you just wrote - fuck the tubes - and am now thinking of turning my attention to cams. Seems daunting - a lot of scripting, and traffic, and finding girls, etc etc - but you're right: there's money in them thar hills!!

You know, sometimes 'adapting' just means looking like everyone else. And sometimes standing out from the crowd is the best strategy of all.

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will76

If you want to try a cam site, start with a white label. Don't even try to build you own with your own programming, trying to find your own girls etc... unless you have a staff ready to work for you and you have hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. Anything short of that will be a failure 99.999% of the time. I wont say it's impossible, but do you want to risk your time and money with those odds ?

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Semi-Retired-Dave

Tubes can be a good thing if you want to have good Alexa Rankings.
It's like opening a shopping mall. You can have the busiest mall in town, but if they are all there for the free goods and nobody is paying. Your mall has no value.

Even if you do a White Label Cam, you will be better off. JMO of course.

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I totally agree here.

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Robbie

Wouldn't that be something? An actual user submitted porn tape that they shot themselves and then decided to put up on a tube site for free. Does one even exist anywhere?

That's the funny thing. It's not like those sites have thousands of "user submitted" content (meaning user CREATED) and every once in a while a "real" porn vid that doesn't belong to the uploader slips in.

Nope, it's ALL stolen content with ZERO user created content. Hardly a "free speech" issue.

That's why gideongallery switches his argument back and forth between "censorship" and "time shifting" Whichever one fits his love of thieves at the moment.

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Skate or Die. NES version in the photo.

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Thank you Will76, you have caught me communicating via my own short-hand that I understand perfectly yet causes confusion in others. LOL No, I would never create one myself. I'm actually thinking of PussyCash's White Label solution and have a meeting today with the principles at PC to discuss.

I read somewhere someone invested $300,000 in their own Cam site. After months of programming, setup, etc it all went bust. Yah, not for me. i don't have Robbie (or CyberAge Dave) money. :D

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Semi-Retired-Dave

Just checked out your network of Sites, Very well done.
http://www.misterpeabodyworld.com/

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Thank you kind Sir!! I am putting your quote up in HIGHLIGHTS for all to read.
Along with the highly edited Robbie quote that began: "Do I think your sites look like FUCKing shit? YEAH!" which is now 'Do...I...like...your sites? FUCK YEAH!" LOL
Kidding. Thanks again - I remember wanking it back in the nineties whilst employing your Age Verification 'services'. Now, if you could invent a way to legally shave ten years OFF my actual age then I'd pay you again.

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gideongallery

says the guy who claims that the only way the fair use of parody would allow the use of his content is to not use his content at all.



by your definition of fair use your right

luckly for me/fair use the court have ruled that simply changing adding comedic subtitles to someone elses video clip is more than enough to qualify as parody

see downfall parodies.

oh and btw timeshifting is for torrents

commentary (as in check you quest crews best dance routine) covers tube sites.
you might want to get the appropriate fair use for the medium.

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Robbie

As I said...wouldn't it be something if people actually CREATED stuff and uploaded it for free. As in shot their own footage just like a REAL parody skit on Saturday Night Live does. And yes, there are some funny ones on youtube using stolen footage. No doubt the Hitler one is funny as hell.

But would the movie producer be laughing if they used the ENTIRE movie, overdubbed new words, then MONETIZED it and called it "parody"

Once again you're avoiding what is REALLY going on with piracy and the adult industry.

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craftyc

Yes but adapting is a universal thing and many of the people who started this business are not here and others adapted went onto flourish. Anyone here remember "The General" he went on to found fabulous domains. I worked for him in the early days and he was making millions a month, last time I looked at his stats about 2000, he was clearing 12 million a month after paying advertisers. I doubt few people these days would be making millions a month in Porn. I could be wrong though. He saw the writing on the wall and moved on while he was still making the good bucks. Some people see whats around the corner and move and adapt. Other Die.

craftyc

Actually I am wrong AFF makes millions a month and thats just a porn site when you boil it down.

will76

There are more than a few companies and larger sites that make 1M + a month.

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XXXMovie4M

try stealing from a store and tell them they can get their product back if they send you a request in writing. and if i get caught i can tell them they need to adapt?

if everyone really believes the "adapt or die" motto then when is everyone pissed at tubes. that's their way of "adapting"...right?

can't well all steal from each other and claim that we're adapting?

the authorities can't do anything about content theft but does that mean you broke into vivid's DVD wharehouse you can steal as much as you want without getting charged?

XXXMovie4M

try stealing from a store and tell them they can get their product back if they send you a request in writing. and if i get caught i can tell them they need to adapt?

if everyone really believes the "adapt or die" motto then when is everyone pissed at tubes. that's their way of "adapting"...right?

can't we all steal from each other and claim that we're adapting? we can all understand that right?

will76

you tried to start a tube site and failed.

you should have gotten advice from someone for your cams site, and other projects you were working on and not rode Cyberage into the ground. If you would have put more effort into your cam site it could have made up for the lost sales that the AVS sites was having.

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Semi-Retired-Dave

Not the Bump old threads game. How old are you. 4?
Who cares, you failed in Life. You have Nothing to show for everything you have worked for.
Stop bumping old threads Will. Grow Up already.

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Now I am a failure? A couple days ago you said you respected me and thought I was great. Now I am a failure? what happened to make me a failure, because I bumped some of your threads ?

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Semi-Retired-Dave

I still respect you for trying to make it in this business, but doesn't mean you're still not a failure.

How do you feel about yourself for bumping old threads to attack me. Does that make you sleep better at night? Do you feel like a Man. A tough man?

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Lets see, I spent $1500.00 on a Tube site script which including design, I own all the content. And I'm pretty sure I made more then $1500.00 on it. SO ACTUALLY, it's not considered a failure.

Again, you need that Business Class.

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exactly

surfers don't want to have to download 30 second clips to their computer anymore, then want to click and play, just like they are used to on YouTube when they have both hands on the keyboard

same went for TGP's back in the day versus "free sites." there will always be illegal tubes and maybe one day they will slowly get shut down, but if you want to compete in the space, you have to think outside the box.

crying isn't going to get you anywhere

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this thread time shifted itself.