It was just reported that BP CEO said the "top kill" is not working.

[theking]

........

[DigitalTheory]

all bad.

[LoveSandra]

it sucks

[dav3]

You would figure these people would learn from their mistakes 31 years ago, when the exact same thing happened. But no, they are just regurgitating bullshit as usual.

[Adraco]

Originally Posted by theking

It was just reported that BP CEO said the "top kill" is not working.

You must be behind the news flow. That was hours ago. And there has been different statements during the day. From an Admiral of the Coast Guard, from an un-named BP expert who's out there trying to fix it and Hayward has been out and about in the media too. They said it looked promising to 60-70%, then that they had two other methods they wanted to try should "top kill" not go well.

But last word for tonight is that the will continue to work and try top kill and then evaluate the method tomorrow, Sunday. Since it's never been tried at that depth before, there are many factors which are to uncertain at this time.

[ProG]

It will take 7 years for the oil deposit below the Deepwater Horizon well to empty if left alone.

That's reassuring.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Adraco

You must be behind the news flow. That was hours ago. And there has been different statements during the day. From an Admiral of the Coast Guard, from an un-named BP expert who's out there trying to fix it and Hayward has been out and about in the media too. They said it looked promising to 60-70%, then that they had two other methods they wanted to try should "top kill" not go well.

But last word for tonight is that the will continue to work and try top kill and then evaluate the method tomorrow, Sunday. Since it's never been tried at that depth before, there are many factors which are to uncertain at this time.

No I am not behind the news flow. I reported what I saw on the news just a couple of minutes after the CEO of BP made an announcement that the "top kill" is not working so they are going to move on with the next effort.

[Ron Bennett]

All of these methods that BP are trying are to placate the public to make it look like they're actively doing something. They know darn well the odds of any of them working are slim to none.

The real fix is the relief well, but completion is still months away; even longer, if the second backup relief well is also needed.

In short, all of this other stuff in the meantime is just for show.

Ron

[fatfoo]

Dropping the mud did not work.

[Adraco]

1. Are you sure it was Tony Hayward (the CEO) doing the annoncement?
2. About 30 minutes ago NYT brought up: Doug Suttles, COO (not CEO!) made a statement published here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30spill.html?hp
and here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2812765520100529
note time of publication, 3.18 PM EDT
In other words, those of us who actually do follow the news flow, not just some cheap skank re-runs, we knew this hours ago.

Thank you for your concern, you may now continue play. There is a daily update news conference at 6PM, CDT, just for your information.

[dyna mo]

dyna mo's news update:

the top kill is not working.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Adraco

1. Are you sure it was Tony Hayward (the CEO) doing the annoncement?
2. About 30 minutes ago NYT brought up: Doug Suttles, COO (not CEO!) made a statement published here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30spill.html?hp
and here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2812765520100529
note time of publication, 3.18 PM EDT
In other words, those of us who actually do follow the news flow, not just some cheap skank re-runs, we knew this hours ago.

Thank you for your concern, you may now continue play. There is a daily update news conference at 6PM, EDT, just for your information.

The report said CEO and it was just announced that another anouncement is to be made shortly stating that the "top kill" has failed. I do not yet know who is to make this coming announcement.

[Adraco]

Well, as long as it's some dumb reporter of untrustworthy news channels they will mix up CEO and COO, Hayward isn't making very many statements, Suttles usually does them.

The article here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100529
says, and I quote:
Suttles stopped short of saying the top kill has failed. "We've said all along this may or may not be successful," he said.

Suttles will give another update at a daily briefing, scheduled for 6 p.m. CDT (8 p.m. EDT), a BP spokesman said.

end quote.

Unless you have a better source than Reuters, I guess I'm sticking to my story.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Well, as long as it's some dumb reporter of untrustworthy news channels they will mix up CEO and COO, Hayward isn't making very many statements, Suttles usually does them.

The article here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100529
says, and I quote:
Suttles stopped short of saying the top kill has failed. "We've said all along this may or may not be successful," he said.

Suttles will give another update at a daily briefing, scheduled for 6 p.m. CDT (8 p.m. EDT), a BP spokesman said.

end quote.

Unless you have a better source than Reuters, I guess I'm sticking to my story.

They just this moment stated that BP is to make an announcement in two minutes.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by dav3

You would figure these people would learn from their mistakes 31 years ago, when the exact same thing happened. But no, they are just regurgitating bullshit as usual.

Would you rather they do nothing at all while they wait for the 2 reserve wells to be finished or should they nuke the hole like Russia does?

[seeandsee]

that was just to shut our mouths for few days

[theking]

The BP COO just announced what had previously been announced by the CEO that the "top kill" has failed and they are now going to proceed with their next effort.

[Ethersync]

Not lookin' good... http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...ov_stream.html

[Adraco]

Let's leave it at that.
Just don't repeat old news, things which have been known for hours are best found in the papers.

What's more important is that they go ahead and as Tony Hayward said, "stop the damn leak". http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....damn.leak.cnn

[ProG]

Originally Posted by Adraco

old news, things which have been known for hours

Dude, you sound like an idiot arguing about "hours" old news. Go outside or something.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Adraco

Let's leave it at that.
Just don't repeat old news, things which have been known for hours are best found in the papers.

What's more important is that they go ahead and as Tony Hayward said, "stop the damn leak". http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/....damn.leak.cnn

I did not report old news...I reported breaking news within moments of the breaking news...and what is occuring at this very moment is more breaking news about the very same subject. Top Kill has officially been declared to have failed.

[Adraco]

Top kill was never a solution, it was simply something they felt that they needed to try before the other operations which are more complicated. It could have worked, but now it's clear it didn't.

Not spending my evening here, so I'll leave. But you should try Reuters if you like news when they happen, not an hour afterwards.

[Catalyst]

Typical top level management reaction, out of touch...

[Danny B]

40 days so far.
Between 1.9 to 3 MILLION liters of oil a day (make it more than 3 since these are BP's numbers) pouring in the ocean. That's 120 MILLION liters and running.

And they refer to it as being the worst disaster since the Alaska Exxon Valdes incident, which spilled around 40 million liters.

Let's do the math: 120 million and running against 40 million... hmmm

How about referring to it like it is?
The worst man made oil incident in the history of mankind?

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by dav3

You would figure these people would learn from their mistakes 31 years ago, when the exact same thing happened. But no, they are just regurgitating bullshit as usual.

please god someone tell me this is the onion or fake and im being trolled in some way and this bullshit is not real.

C'MON MAN!?

[Danny B]

Originally Posted by dav3

You would figure these people would learn from their mistakes 31 years ago, when the exact same thing happened. But no, they are just regurgitating bullshit as usual.

I posted earlier in this thread without having seen this video.
All I can say is wow.... WHAT THE FUCK!??!?!?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by dav3

You would figure these people would learn from their mistakes 31 years ago, when the exact same thing happened. But no, they are just regurgitating bullshit as usual.

[SomeCreep]

Unless one has studied physics, i.e. thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, then it's just not possible to understand how difficult it is working 1 mile underwater. Especially using nothing but robots. Pressure, heat, viscosity, friction, chemical reactions, are all factors that must be considered when dealing with a problem of this nature.

Most people think, "Well just put a lid on it." Wrong! If done incorrectly, that could make the hole 10 times bigger. Or create 10 more holes just as big.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Unless one has studied physics, i.e. thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, then it's just not possible to understand how difficult it is working 1 mile underwater. Especially using nothing but robots. Pressure, heat, viscosity, friction, chemical reactions, are all factors that must be considered when dealing with a problem of this nature.

Most people think, "Well just put a lid on it." Wrong! If done incorrectly, that could make the hole 10 times bigger. Or create 10 more holes just as big.

Wow, someone else here using logic and not just emotion...

[mynameisjim]

Something exactly like this has already happened and in the 30 years since and hundreds of billions of dollars made in profit during that time, not one penny has apparently been spent on better methods should a well leak underwater....at any depth, let alone a mile.

But all these solutions are pure bullshit and the smart people out there should have smelled it from day one. BP sounds like that guy that owes you money and every week he has new reason how the money is right around the corner. He has this check coming, or a new deal just popped up, or he just got a new bank account, etc. The whole point is to string you along, same with BP and these methods. BP knows none of these will work because they have never worked in the past.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Something exactly like this has already happened and in the 30 years since and hundreds of billions of dollars made in profit during that time, not one penny has apparently been spent on better methods should a well leak underwater....at any depth, let alone a mile.

But all these solutions are pure bullshit and the smart people out there should have smelled it from day one. BP sounds like that guy that owes you money and every week he has new reason how the money is right around the corner. He has this check coming, or a new deal just popped up, or he just got a new bank account, etc. The whole point is to string you along, same with BP and these methods. BP knows none of these will work because they have never worked in the past.

There are only 2 known ways to fix the problem. 1) Relief wells. 2) Drop a nuke down the hole (Yes, really.). Relief wells take like 3 months to drill approximately. Nukes are the absolute last resort. All the "garbage" this and "kill" that techniques are just things to try while the relief wells are drilled. So yes, BP knows that most likely these techniques will not work and they have been quoted as saying this many times. What would you rather they do? Nothing at all until the relief wells are done?

[directfiesta]

Must be Obama's fault ...

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

America's favorite dual citizen

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Unless one has studied physics, i.e. thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, then it's just not possible to understand how difficult it is working 1 mile underwater.

You'd think somebody over there would have started studying by now...

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

There are only 2 known ways to fix the problem. 1) Relief wells. 2) Drop a nuke down the hole (Yes, really.). Relief wells take like 3 months to drill approximately. Nukes are the absolute last resort. All the "garbage" this and "kill" that techniques are just things to try while the relief wells are drilled. So yes, BP knows that most likely these techniques will not work and they have been quoted as saying this many times. What would you rather they do? Nothing at all until the relief wells are done?

No, I was saying that in the 30 years since this first happened, they should have developed technology that was more reliable than a blow out preventer which failed last time as well.

There was evidence that undersea wells do in fact blow out and leak for months. There was also evidence that blow out preventers simply don't work. Yet nothing was done to improve the technology. That's why people are frustrated, every single other piece of technology in the world has improved yet the oil companies never bothered to build a blow out preventer that actually works.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

No, I was saying that in the 30 years since this first happened, they should have developed technology that was more reliable than a blow out preventer which failed last time as well.

There was evidence that undersea wells do in fact blow out and leak for months. There was also evidence that blow out preventers simply don't work. Yet nothing was done to improve the technology. That's why people are frustrated, every single other piece of technology in the world has improved yet the oil companies never bothered to build a blow out preventer that actually works.

Actually, as I understand it, the technology is light years beyond what was being done in the 70s. Still does not get around the fact that mother nature is a force to be reckoned with and when you crack a hole in the planet with a mile of water bearing down on you it is damn hard to plug it...

The bad news is I am reading, from experts in the field, that relief wells will be VERY difficult in this situation and most likely will not work. That means we will have to do it Russian style and load up a nuke in an unmanned submersible and drive it down there and BOOM.

Also, the oil and chemical dispersant are killing all the algae and, as many do not realize, algae is our main source of oxygen.

[mynameisjim]

It looks like you're right about the relief well, even if it works it would take way longer than what they are saying. At least that's what people are saying off the record.

I think the ban on new off shore drilling is probably a good idea. If you can't stop a well at that depth, you shouldn't be drilling at that depth. Just the fact that it leads to us discussing blowing up atomic bombs in the ocean as a "solution" should be enough evidence to everyone.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I think the ban on new off shore drilling is probably a good idea. If you can't stop a well at that depth, you shouldn't be drilling at that depth. Just the fact that it leads to us discussing blowing up atomic bombs in the ocean as a "solution" should be enough evidence to everyone.

I agree, but you do understand why they are drilling in such deep water, right? Mostly because people don't like looking out over the ocean and seeing oil platforms so they moved them out of sight. Just happens "out of sight" means deep deep water.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

It looks like you're right about the relief well, even if it works it would take way longer than what they are saying. At least that's what people are saying off the record.

I think the ban on new off shore drilling is probably a good idea. If you can't stop a well at that depth, you shouldn't be drilling at that depth. Just the fact that it leads to us discussing blowing up atomic bombs in the ocean as a "solution" should be enough evidence to everyone.

They couldn't stop a well using all the same methods 31 years ago at 500 ft.. What eventually (9 months later) worked was the relief well.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

They couldn't stop a well using all the same methods 31 years ago at 500 ft.. What eventually (9 months later) worked was the relief well.

I think it was only 200 feet.

[Jman]

Put the motherfucker in jail, get some better people in charge and fix this shit...

[mynameisjim]

The deep drilling may be the result of keeping the ugly oil rigs out of site, but gulf oil is such a small percentage of global supply, why would you ruin an entire coast for millions of people just so oil companies can make money? Gulf oil has ZERO impact on oil or gas prices. Look at the spill right now, millions of barrels spewing out and oil prices have actually gone down.

Gulf drilling only benefits the oil companies, it has no benefits for Americans.

But still, I am sure off shore drilling CAN be done safely, it's just that the oil companies have not bothered to put any money into it and government has not pressured them to do so. That's the real issue that has come to light here.