Breaking: Obama Dropping The Hammer On Arizona

[Amputate Your Head]

White House to challenge Arizona immigration law - Jun 2010

Obama administration lawyers are planning to file a legal challenge to a controversial Arizona immigration law within a month, according to a senior administration official.

LINK

Time for Arizona to rejoin the rest of the civilized world.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Civilized world? No thanks, I dont want my state looking anything like the shit hole the illegals have turned AZ into.

[Amputate Your Head]

Well, Federal law still overrides state law. I said this when the whole controversy began. The Gov will strike it down. Guess what... it's going down.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Well, Federal law still overrides state law. I said this when the whole controversy began. The Gov will strike it down. Guess what... it's going down.

Agreed. But maybe just like Bush should have, Obama should do something.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Agreed. But maybe just like Bush should have, Obama should do something.

Yep. No argument there. I don't think they will, but yeah, they should.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Well, Federal law still overrides state law. I said this when the whole controversy began. The Gov will strike it down. Guess what... it's going down.

If the feds find a court that will go in their favor and Arizona decides to appeal it will eventually end up in the Supreme court and all of this takes time.

One of the problems Arizona faces is...only the feds can deport...so all Arizona can do is detain which will cost them monies that the state really doesn't have. It is being reported that illegals are leaving the state...but I don't think anyone knows what the numbers are.

[PornMD]

Catering to the Mexican vote, which will probably represent a majority of votes come next presidential election.

Just kidding...or am I?! Seriously though, I was wondering how long it would take him to do that...it seemed like a fairly ridiculous law for a state to try and get away with, but I do give them props for having the balls to do it and hopefully giving the president something to think about as they look at polls showing people's approval of it. I'm sure a lot of that approval is not necessarily of the law itself but that it's SOME measure designed to counteract the illegal immigration problem that no one else is doing anything about.

[kane]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Agreed. But maybe just like Bush should have, Obama should do something.

Yep. If Obama wants to lead now is the time. Clearly he doesn't like the Arizona law, so he now needs to step up and offer a legit federal alternative.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Civilized world? No thanks, I dont want my state looking anything like the shit hole the illegals have turned AZ into.

A. Not a shit hole.
B. Californians are far, far worse than Mexicans.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Well, Federal law still overrides state law. I said this when the whole controversy began. The Gov will strike it down. Guess what... it's going down.

certainly sounds like it

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep. If Obama wants to lead now is the time. Clearly he doesn't like the Arizona law, so he now needs to step up and offer a legit federal alternative.

Don't think it'll ever happen. Democrats get the minority vote, Republicans' big business buddies get the cheap labor...illegal immigration is a win for both so they really don't give a shit. Say what you will about the Arizona measure but they're at least trying to solve the problem.

I think most Republicans are worse in the matter generally because they'll say all day long that illegal immigration is a problem because they want to act like they're interested in protecting the country for the senior vote, all the while doing absolutely nothing about it because of the cheap labor it brings to the companies that give them lots of money. Democrats at least don't have to be two-faced about it like most Republicans have been.

[Amputate Your Head]

Any solutions at the federal level will stay nothing but vapor, at least for the foreseeable future. He's neck deep with BP at the moment.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Well, Federal law still overrides state law. I said this when the whole controversy began. The Gov will strike it down. Guess what... it's going down.

Not true in all cases.

The federal government is empowered by the states and the people --not the other way around.

The federal government cannot legally legislate away the limits placed on its powers by the US Constitution:

"The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_A...s_Constitution

[fatfoo]

It's about time to make the immigration laws that most people want.

[kane]

Originally Posted by PornMD

Don't think it'll ever happen. Democrats get the minority vote, Republicans' big business buddies get the cheap labor...illegal immigration is a win for both so they really don't give a shit. Say what you will about the Arizona measure but they're at least trying to solve the problem.

I think most Republicans are worse in the matter generally because they'll say all day long that illegal immigration is a problem because they want to act like they're interested in protecting the country for the senior vote, all the while doing absolutely nothing about it because of the cheap labor it brings to the companies that give them lots of money. Democrats at least don't have to be two-faced about it like most Republicans have been.

I agree. I think there will be some kind of immigration reform (when exactly I don't know), but I think it will be pretty watered down. Bush held the house, senate and white house for 6 years and every one of those years he talked about securing our borders yet did nothing about it. If they really wanted to pass a law they could have. The same goes for Obama now. He has the majority in all houses, they could push something through, but most likely will not.

[Moose]

Then they better sue California to... same law on the books for many many years.

California Penal Code Section 834b - (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Any solutions at the federal level will stay nothing but vapor, at least for the foreseeable future. He's neck deep with BP at the moment.

Turning the attention, spinnin, spinnin, Oh the blowout killing the ocean gets less coverage all the sudden. BP has fucked it worse then the whole damn shithole called Mexico and the fence jumpers ever could. Stay focused

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by illtestyourgirls

civilized world? No thanks, i dont want my state looking anything like the shit hole the illegals have turned az into.

kiss my grits!

[MovieMaster]

Expect his ratings to dive even more....

[Minte]

I haven't seen the recent polls but last time I looked it was 58% of the population favored the Arizona legislation,so there is no way this will end up well for President Obama.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by theking

If the feds find a court that will go in their favor and Arizona decides to appeal it will eventually end up in the Supreme court and all of this takes time.

One of the problems Arizona faces is...only the feds can deport...so all Arizona can do is detain which will cost them monies that the state really doesn't have. It is being reported that illegals are leaving the state...but I don't think anyone knows what the numbers are.

that operation wetback only deproted 50k or something, compared to the 700k that left voluntarily

[theking]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

that operation wetback only deproted 50k or something, compared to the 700k that left voluntarily

Say what?

[ReGGs]

Originally Posted by Minte

I haven't seen the recent polls but last time I looked it was 58% of the population favored the Arizona legislation,so there is no way this will end up well for President Obama.

lol and if you went to Alabama in the 60's and asked if black people should be allowed to vote and marry white people you would probably get the same result. That's why we have the fucking government step in and protect the rights of the minority.

14th Amendment FTW!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

lol and if you went to Alabama in the 60's and asked if black people should be allowed to vote and marry white people you would probably get the same result. That's why we have the fucking government step in and protect the rights of the minority.

14th Amendment FTW!

its at a point now that it seems that obama is trying to protect people that are using things that they are not entitled to. time is running out. all these home invasions, amber alerts, drop house victims etc all protecting illegals. i think if your caught here twice they should be denied citizenship.

[Slick]

I'm glad I live way up in Michigan

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Moose

Then they better sue California to... same law on the books for many many years.

California Penal Code Section 834b - (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

[kane]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its at a point now that it seems that obama is trying to protect people that are using things that they are not entitled to. time is running out. all these home invasions, amber alerts, drop house victims etc all protecting illegals. i think if your caught here twice they should be denied citizenship.

Here are some other staggering stats taken from wikipedia:

"Annually the cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion dollars, which includes $350 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $500 million in welfare and food stamps allocations. Twenty-four percent of the County?s total allotment of welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens born in the United States." He referred to the costs as "catastrophic" for taxpayers. He estimated that the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion a year, excluding education"

1 billion per year just for 1 county . . . Imagine how much it must cost for the entire states of California a Arizona

[RyuLion]

OMG, this will be History if the Gov does something good for a change..

[ReGGs]

Originally Posted by kane

Here are some other staggering stats taken from wikipedia:

"Annually the cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion dollars, which includes $350 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $500 million in welfare and food stamps allocations. Twenty-four percent of the County?s total allotment of welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens born in the United States." He referred to the costs as "catastrophic" for taxpayers. He estimated that the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion a year, excluding education"

1 billion per year just for 1 county . . . Imagine how much it must cost for the entire states of California a Arizona

That's funny because those figures don't tell you how much money "illegals" bring in through things like sales tax and just plain old buying shit at the local stores. In fact California, Florida, Texas, and many other states with large immigrant populations would be FUCKED if it weren't for the "illegals" money. When I say FUCKED I mean it. The sates literally would not be able to make it through the year.

"According to the Comptrollers? office, state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide services like education, health care and safety, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data, the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal immigrant population in 2006."

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/mar...pite-rhetoric/

So yeah illegals cost a bunch of money but they bring MORE money in than they take out. If you were really looking for a solution and not just succumbing to xenophobic impulses you would realize that the best course of action would be to tax the shit out of the immigrant population and make even more of a profit!

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Moose

Then they better sue California to... same law on the books for many many years.

California Penal Code Section 834b - (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

Except that this particular section of California law was already enjoined by the courts, and the injunction against its enforcement remains in place to this day.

It did indeed pass as part of Prop 187 in 1994, but it was challenged and enjoined by a federal district court in Los Angeles. California appealed, but the appeal was abandoned under the Wilson administration.

So, the law remains "on the books" in the sense that it has not been excised or revised by the California state legislature, but it cannot be enforced due to the federal court's injunction.

Something similar will happen with the Arizona law; the court will issue a TRO against the statute's enforcement pending adjudication. From there, it will either make its way slowly through the courts, with the losing side appealing whatever decision is made in each step along the way, or one side or the other will abandon their effort. The process may or may not involve being remanded to a lower court for trial, should there be a reversal on appeal (one way or the other) at some point in the dance.

So... at the end of the day, only one thing is CERTAIN about this law: the wrangling over it will allow the federal and the state government to do what it is that they do best -- spend money they do not have.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

OMG, this will be History if the Gov does something good for a change..

post some proof of citizenship or im turning you in.

[DateDoc]

Hopefully Arizona wins!

[ReGGs]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

Hopefully Arizona wins!

Yeah that would be great! Then the state would be bankrupted with lawsuits and serve as an example to other states thinking about doing stupid shit like this.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

OMG, this will be History if the Gov does something good for a change..

Yeah, it'd be awesome if they listen to the states its actually happening in. Would definitely be something good for a change.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by kane

Here are some other staggering stats taken from wikipedia:

"Annually the cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion dollars, which includes $350 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $500 million in welfare and food stamps allocations. Twenty-four percent of the County?s total allotment of welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens born in the United States." He referred to the costs as "catastrophic" for taxpayers. He estimated that the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion a year, excluding education"

1 billion per year just for 1 county . . . Imagine how much it must cost for the entire states of California a Arizona

this is one of the reasons we will stand behind the new law. fuck obama.

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

Yeah that would be great! Then the state would be bankrupted with lawsuits and serve as an example to other states thinking about doing stupid shit like this.

The stupid thing would have been for Arizona to have not passes the law and let the illegals bankrupt them!

[babymaker]

Good move for Obama to go against the 58% of the population in favor of the new law what a fucking rocket scientist :D

[kristin]

Originally Posted by ReGGs

Yeah that would be great! Then the state would be bankrupted with lawsuits and serve as an example to other states thinking about doing stupid shit like this.

Eh, we are a pretty poor state to begin with ... cause of the illegals.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Good move for Obama to go against the 58% of the population in favor of the new law what a fucking rocket scientist :D

he's trying to get the hispanic votes for the up coming election. alot of people don't know that the law was written up by one of the best immigration lawyers in the country. pierce was the master mind behind it tho.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

White House to challenge Arizona immigration law - Jun 2010

Obama administration lawyers are planning to file a legal challenge to a controversial Arizona immigration law within a month, according to a senior administration official.

LINK

Time for Arizona to rejoin the rest of the civilized world.

How about the "civilized world" actually enforce their own fucking laws for a change and those "civilized people" breaking the law be held accountable. And the federal government actually try to protect our boarders.... sooner or later a suit case nuke will go off in this country and i bet you 100:1 it will have gotten into the country through our lack of control to our borders in the southwest.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by will76

How about the "civilized world" actually enforce their own fucking laws for a change and those "civilized people" breaking the law be held accountable. And the federal government actually try to protect our boarders.... sooner or later a suit case nuke will go off in this country and i bet you 100:1 it will have gotten into the country through our lack of control to our borders in the southwest.

I think this is a pretty good point. We are spending billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars on our countries "safety" over in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the countless other military bases we have around the world. And yet all it would really take is a coyote and a couple bucks.

DHS should be more upset about this. I have no idea why they aren't.

[will76]

illegals just need to go the fuck home and they should be shipped back the second they are caught. Obey the fucking laws. If you want to come to this country great, do it legally. What type of pattern is this setting, someone new to the country has no regard to our laws and breaking them from day 1. Why can't they do it legally??? Why is everyone sympathetic to illegals?

The rest of us pay taxes obey the laws etc. If you want to live here then do it right. I wish they would round up all of the law breakers and ship their asses back and tell them that they have to do it right. Or we could do like Mexico does to the illegals who enter their country in the south from central america, they put them in jails, beat, torture and kill them. What do the bleeding heart liberals do in the US... try to give them free health care and citizen ship and rewarding them for breaking the laws. Just like we reward most people in poverty for being irresponsible and we reward people who can't afford to have 1 kid for having 10 kids.

This country will continue to fall apart until people man the fuck up and everyone does their share, and everyone is held accountable, instead of a group of fucking liberals feeling sorry for everyone and trying to reward irresponsibility, incompetency and stupidity with OUR tax dollars because they want to make themselves feel important and better about themselves.

irresponsibility is the root to all problems and rewarding people for their irresponsibly behavior is the nail in the coffin to our own demise.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

kiss my grits!

No offense man but I dont wan a kidnapping every 30something hours

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by kristin

Eh, we are a pretty poor state to begin with ... cause of the illegals.

No, you're a poor state because of your corrupt money grabbing politicians and the worst recession in the history of the nation.

You make illegals your scapegoat because it's convenient to wag a finger and say
"Yes its them, they made our state this way!" When in reality for decades your own local government could have done something about it, but instead chose to line their pockets.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

White House to challenge Arizona immigration law - Jun 2010

Obama administration lawyers are planning to file a legal challenge to a controversial Arizona immigration law within a month, according to a senior administration official.

LINK

Time for Arizona to rejoin the rest of the civilized world.

so basically a state is trying to defend it's resources from invasion from a foreign country, because the Federal government won't, and now the Federal government is going to sue that state for protecting it's borders from invasion.. did I miss anything?

[MaDalton]

anyone already getting his guns ready?

[will76]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

so basically a state is trying to defend it's resources from invasion from a foreign country, because the Federal government won't, and now the Federal government is going to sue that state for protecting it's borders from invasion.. did I miss anything?

yeah, all the sympathetic people who don't want us to do anything mean to the illegals, leave them alone, not make them pay taxes and give them free health care, don't make them learn english, and oh... god forbid you stop and ask them to show documentation to see if they should be here.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by will76

How about the "civilized world" actually enforce their own fucking laws for a change and those "civilized people" breaking the law be held accountable. And the federal government actually try to protect our boarders.... sooner or later a suit case nuke will go off in this country and i bet you 100:1 it will have gotten into the country through our lack of control to our borders in the southwest.

I agree with you 100%.

But that has nothing to do with Arizona's law.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

so basically a state is trying to defend it's resources from invasion from a foreign country, because the Federal government won't, and now the Federal government is going to sue that state for protecting it's borders from invasion.. did I miss anything?

Yes, you did miss something. Something very important. Here it is:

Arizona's law isn't "defending the border" from illegals.
What it is doing is profiling hispanics already there.

Imagine say if you could round up and deport 50% of all illegals in AZ over the next 10 years. Is that "protecting the border"? No. Is it stopping more from coming in? No. Does it serve as a deterrant? No.

It must be challenged in court. It's a civil rights issue.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why do people keep using this child's photograph on this porno site.

Is it possible to make your point without involving photographs of children?