Whats more important to the president?

[Vendzilla]

Is it his agenda or the American People

Whats more important?
securing the border or getting more latinos to vote for him?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...xican_borde r

Whats more important?
Doing something about the oil spill or cap and trade?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...sation_efforts

Whats more important?
Spending money on his agenda or creating jobs?

Watch his speeches lately? He's making a lot of excuses!

[EZRhino]

I've heard that Presidents look at poll numbers too much and legislate according to popular opinion. Obama seems to be more in touch with his liberal side and throw tax payers money at a problem. While making sure that a foriegn countries have more rights to our borders and our public resources then Americans do.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

You guys are lucky you have passion for politics and are used to hit the streets when shit hits the fan

If he sells out, that's what people should do

I am unable to give any clear answer

Of course it "should" be people, but there's so much lobbying going plus White House is full of ex-Wall Street people that it's scary

The question that would be interesting - How would be Clinton different as a president?

Clinton is much much better qualified to be a democratic president than Mr. Obama - no question about that.

Do you think they made a deal in primaries?

[Brujah]

Bush + McCain were both for Open Borders. What would you like to do next election?

[cherrylula]

getting re-elected...

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Bush + McCain were both for Open Borders. What would you like to do next election?

what they wanted is irrevalant, they aren't in office, this is about the present asshole in charge

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

what they wanted is irrevalant, they aren't in office, this is about the present asshole in charge

Point being, on this topic the other choice wasn't any different. So you lose either way on this issue. So, what would you do differently for next election? I already know the answer. Nothing.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Point being, on this topic the other choice wasn't any different. So you lose either way on this issue. So, what would you do differently for next election? I already know the answer. Nothing.

So because they all would have tackled the problem the same way, one can't complain? That doesn't really make sense.

Vend I think you need some new material. Broken record syndrome. People start to ignore and drown out.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Sly

So because they all would have tackled the problem the same way, one can't complain? That doesn't really make sense.

Yes of course you can complain, and I can challenge it. I'm not saying "Shut up." I'm explaining that if the other candidate had won it wouldn't be any different. I'm asking what you would do differently next time.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in party politics. Red team vs Blue team. If your team is doing the exact same thing it is somehow "OK," while the other team taking the same stance or reacting the same is somehow "Bad." It should be the actual issue every time, not who is behind it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Yes of course you can complain, and I can challenge it. I'm not saying "Shut up." I'm explaining that if the other candidate had won it wouldn't be any different. I'm asking what you would do differently next time.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in party politics. Red team vs Blue team. If your team is doing the exact same thing it is somehow "OK," while the other team taking the same stance or reacting the same is somehow "Bad." It should be the actual issue every time, not who is behind it.

Yeh, I agree. Old, dying farts.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

So because they all would have tackled the problem the same way, one can't complain? That doesn't really make sense.

Vend I think you need some new material. Broken record syndrome. People start to ignore and drown out.

I'm sorry if what I say gives you no room to debate,
I think McCain would have NOT spent so much time shoving a healthcare bill down our throats that now government agencies say can't be afforded, wouldn't you agree to that?
Economy is about the most important thing going on, it has been ignored. That's what brought up the single biggest protest movement in recent history, the Tea Party.

Originally Posted by Brujah

Yes of course you can complain, and I can challenge it. I'm not saying "Shut up." I'm explaining that if the other candidate had won it wouldn't be any different. I'm asking what you would do differently next time.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in party politics. Red team vs Blue team. If your team is doing the exact same thing it is somehow "OK," while the other team taking the same stance or reacting the same is somehow "Bad." It should be the actual issue every time, not who is behind it.

When did I bring up dems vs gop? I think they are all to blame. And I won't be put in a place to pick the loosing side. That's why I went independent, and if you look at the trends, the democratic side is loosing ground in numbers, independents are growing and GOP is about the same.


I asked a simple question
What do you think is more important to the President
His agenda, or the American people, you can see from the votes so far


debating it by asking if the other side would have done it differently is kinda useless, of course they would have, last time a president did this kinda shit, he lost the house and the senate two years after getting into office, his name was Bill Clinton

[BFT3K]

What if his agenda is to help the American people?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

What if his agenda is to help the American people?

That this would be contradictory to reality

[Tom_PM]

Regardless of the ultimate final answer to the poll, what does it matter? It's like those Newsmax ads "BP OIL SPILL. BLAME OBAMA? CLICK HERE" lmfao. Knock yourselves out, ya know? If you agree that ALL incumbents should be voted out, then chances are 90% of everyone will agree with you.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Is it his agenda or the American People

Whats more important?
securing the border or getting more latinos to vote for him?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...xican_borde r

Sounds like 72% of the people are getting what they want then.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Whats more important?
Doing something about the oil spill or cap and trade?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...sation_efforts

Of course people would want him to do more, that's a duh. The question is, what should he be doing more of? It's not just focus on the Oil, I do know that.

They already stated what the solution is, everything else is just trying. The bureaucracy has cleared up, the Coast Guard has been running the show from Day 1. Shit is without question getting done and nobody would run it perfectly.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Whats more important?
Spending money on his agenda or creating jobs?

Isn't part of his agenda creating jobs and dealing with everything else?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Watch his speeches lately? He's making a lot of excuses!

Not really... I just see him trying to deal with some really f'ed up situations.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Bush was reelected with a lower rating than Obama has, clearly ratings mean nothing.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

What if his agenda is to help the American people?

Whether they like it or not?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Regardless of the ultimate final answer to the poll, what does it matter? It's like those Newsmax ads "BP OIL SPILL. BLAME OBAMA? CLICK HERE" lmfao. Knock yourselves out, ya know? If you agree that ALL incumbents should be voted out, then chances are 90% of everyone will agree with you.

wasn't using newsweek, was using rasmussen, they do a pretty good and fair job

So do you think Obama has done enough on the oil spill in the gulf?
Do you think he has handled it right?

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm sorry if what I say gives you no room to debate,
I think McCain would have NOT spent so much time shoving a healthcare bill down our throats that now government agencies say can't be afforded, wouldn't you agree to that?

Americans wanted the healthcare bill.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Economy is about the most important thing going on, it has been ignored. That's what brought up the single biggest protest movement in recent history, the Tea Party.

The Tea Party was formed after they found out Obama was going to become President. Well before he could have ever ignored the economy. The original protests weren't anything related to the economy as a whole.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I asked a simple question
What do you think is more important to the President
His agenda, or the American people, you can see from the votes so far

Clearly he is listening to the people when he made Healthcare.... maybe you're not connected to what Americans actually want?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

debating it by asking if the other side would have done it differently is kinda useless, of course they would have, last time a president did this kinda shit, he lost the house and the senate two years after getting into office, his name was Bill Clinton

He would have been elected again without question, if it was allowed.

[Tom_PM]

I wasn't criticizing the poll or graph or anything at all. I thought everyone was familiar with the Newsmax banners I was just mentioning. They're so slanted that they couldnt come back the other way even if they wanted to, put it that way.. and towards what end is my ultimate question? I think alot of people would agree that come november, it's time to vote out ALL incumbents of any party. Congresses approval rating is much lower than the presidents, and theres is the upcoming election.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Sounds like 72% of the people are getting what they want then.

do you really think that?

Of course people would want him to do more, that's a duh. The question is, what should he be doing more of? It's not just focus on the Oil, I do know that
They already stated what the solution is, everything else is just trying. The bureaucracy has cleared up, the Coast Guard has been running the show from Day 1. Shit is without question getting done and nobody would run it perfectly.

How long did it take ?

Isn't part of his agenda creating jobs and dealing with everything else?

so far the only way the unemployment rate hase gone down is when people have been unemployed long enough they can't be on the list anymore

Not really... I just see him trying to deal with some really f'ed up situations.

I wish that were the case, but he has spent most of his time instead, pushing his agenda

Bush was reelected with a lower rating than Obama has, clearly ratings mean nothing.

Yeah, you're right, goes to show you what the democrats had running against him

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Americans wanted the healthcare bill.

even Reagan wanted a healthcare bill that worked, but no one could figure out how, Obama couldn't either, but that didn't stop him

The Tea Party was formed after they found out Obama was going to become President. Well before he could have ever ignored the economy. The original protests weren't anything related to the economy as a whole.

May have been formed before he started, but then again, he got a noble piece prize too. If he had been spending less money, the Tea Party would hav been a distant memory, just like Ross Perot

Clearly he is listening to the people when he made Healthcare.... maybe you're not connected to what Americans actually want?

People want stuff that works, would you buy a car with no motor, thats what the healthcare bill is, government agencies are saying it's not going to save any money, big employers are already saying they will have to cut benefits, does that sound like what people want?

He would have been elected again without question, if it was allowed.

At the time, people were getting pretty sick of the Bull Shit he and Hilary was doing, way too many scandals, but who knows. This thread is more about whats going on now

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I wasn't criticizing the poll or graph or anything at all. I thought everyone was familiar with the Newsmax banners I was just mentioning. They're so slanted that they couldnt come back the other way even if they wanted to, put it that way.. and towards what end is my ultimate question? I think alot of people would agree that come november, it's time to vote out ALL incumbents of any party. Congresses approval rating is much lower than the presidents, and theres is the upcoming election.

We can only hope, things were pretty good having a liberal president and a Conservative Senate and House, shit got done

[BFT3K]

November 2012 is going to be so much fun here!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

even Reagan wanted a healthcare bill that worked, but no one could figure out how, Obama couldn't either, but that didn't stop him

And it shouldn't stop him... that's calling doing something the American people want. If we wait for the perfect plan to be laid out, then we will be waiting forever.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

May have been formed before he started, but then again, he got a noble piece prize too. If he had been spending less money, the Tea Party would hav been a distant memory, just like Ross Perot

By time the Tea Party started Obama hadn't spent any money... he did allow the Bush bailouts to go through though that were already signed and approved to go out but nobody cared when Bush was doing it.

Personally I don't care about the awards he does or doesn't get... that's other people trying to make themselves feel good.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

People want stuff that works, would you buy a car with no motor, thats what the healthcare bill is, government agencies are saying it's not going to save any money, big employers are already saying they will have to cut benefits, does that sound like what people want?

They're saying it wont when others say it will... not all big employers are saying they will have to cut benefits, some like it. It sounds like a few people that don't agree with it, are bitching - not everyone is.

I own a Company, have staff, health insurance and I want this bill.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

We can only hope, things were pretty good having a liberal president and a Conservative Senate and House, shit got done

Personally, I don't think they did any more or less with Clinton, Bush or Obama... different things, sometimes different directions, but overall it's the same shit for 20 years now.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

do you really think that?

Do I really want or expect 1000's of troops to be at the border? No.... do I think putting 1200 troops at the border is a military build up within our borders? Yes..

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

How long did it take ?

Coast guard was on scene shortly after it happened... within days the red tape for Gov's to keep control was lifted, days/weeks/months following more was lifted.

So I would say, instantly...

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

so far the only way the unemployment rate hase gone down is when people have been unemployed long enough they can't be on the list anymore

It's part of his agenda, not the entire agenda.

Unemployment is the very last thing to improve. We have lots of Eco areas to improve on before the job market really has a chance to turn around, but you don't want to totally fail - and thus far it hasn't.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I wish that were the case, but he has spent most of his time instead, pushing his agenda

What is his agenda?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What is his agenda?

Nice one.

I am bracing for the stupidity... umm, I mean, the "answer" to this.

Let me start it off:

Obama wants to turn America into a big nanny state, he wants to take away our guns, he wants to do everything Hitler did, he won't be happy until everyone is broke, his goal is to destroy this country, he was not even born here, he is a Muslim Socialist, etc....

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Is it his agenda or the American People

Whats more important?
securing the border or getting more latinos to vote for him?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...xican_borde r

Whats more important?
Doing something about the oil spill or cap and trade?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...sation_efforts

Whats more important?
Spending money on his agenda or creating jobs?

Watch his speeches lately? He's making a lot of excuses!

I don't know what you think his agenda is...maybe you will specify...but ultimately the agenda of all Presidents is to do what they percieve is best for the country...and no matter what they do there will be tens of millions of people that are not pleased with his actions.

The Presidency does not have alot of domestic powers...the biggest domestic power a President has is the "bully pulpit/talk"...the Congress controls the purse strings and only the Congress can make law. The second biggest domestic power that a President has is the power to veto whatever Congress presents to him...but of course Congress has the power to override the veto.

Presidents are always the scapegoat for whatever goes badly and usually given little credit for whatever may go well.

BTW...President Clinton...after the Republicans took control of Congress...was called the best Republican President of all times...even though the Republicans had their way with him they were still critical of him as he was still a Democrat...but in name only.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Nice one.

I am bracing for the stupidity... umm, I mean, the "answer" to this.

Let me start it off:

Obama wants to turn America into a big nanny state, he wants to take away our guns, he wants to do everything Hitler did, he won't be happy until everyone is broke, his goal is to destroy this country, he was not even born here, he is a Muslim Socialist, etc....

You've been spending too much time on the leftist blogs

But I do think that entitlements are out of hand, or do you think we need more?

Supreme court is doing good with guns laws, so I'm good

Hitler? I mean Obama doesn't seem to like the Israel people and favor muslim people and is quick to jump on any white cop that arrests a black guy , but I don't think it's Hitler he's trying to be. Maybe the administration will be hiring Black Panthers for voting security? Since the administration cleared them of those charges, maybe that's whats next?

I don't know what his goal is, I just don't see anything going right for him or the country. But I wil add I never thought much of what Bush was trying to do either, thinking back, it's hard to think of any one thing I consider meaningful.

He promised we would send more troops to Afghanistan, he kept that promise, why are we there? What good is it to fight over there, really? You guys I bet were against Bush over the war, but now that Obamanation is running it, it's ok? What changed about the war that made you OK with it? It's because we got a promise of withdrawal right? You know the one he's backing down on now?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

I don't know what you think his agenda is...maybe you will specify...but ultimately the agenda of all Presidents is to do what they percieve is best for the country...and no matter what they do there will be tens of millions of people that are not pleased with his actions.

The Presidency does not have alot of domestic powers...the biggest domestic power a President has is the "bully pulpit/talk"...the Congress controls the purse strings and only the Congress can make law. The second biggest domestic power that a President has is the power to veto whatever Congress presents to him...but of course Congress has the power to override the veto.

Presidents are always the scapegoat for whatever goes badly and usually given little credit for whatever may go well.

BTW...President Clinton...after the Republicans took control of Congress...was called the best Republican President of all times...even though the Republicans had their way with him they were still critical of him as he was still a Democrat...but in name only.

I know that the president has little power, just why I don't blame all the recession on Bush, we've had a dem lead house and senate since 06, when did things go to shit?

OK, think of it this way, for 1 year Obama had ultimate power, he had a democratic house and senate. Did he improve the economy, no, unemployment rate, no. He spent the whole time on something that will cost us too much. We now have government controlled mortgage market, car makers, health care and now the banks. The government has grown by 25% in 18 months. Of course Obamanation says we are headed in the right direction, I just don't see it.

And Clinton's popularity went up

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I know that the president has little power, just why I don't blame all the recession on Bush, we've had a dem lead house and senate since 06, when did things go to shit?

OK, think of it this way, for 1 year Obama had ultimate power, he had a democratic house and senate. Did he improve the economy, no, unemployment rate, no. He spent the whole time on something that will cost us too much. We now have government controlled mortgage market, car makers, health care and now the banks. The government has grown by 25% in 18 months. Of course Obamanation says we are headed in the right direction, I just don't see it.

And Clinton's popularity went up

The 1 year that you are speaking of...his and the actions of the Congress...may have improved the economy (many economists think so...many don't)...and the unemployment rate...in the sense that it may have saved a major recession (which he inheirted) from slipping into a major depression...and keeping the unemployment rate as low as it is.

I personally think that it will take 10 years or more to reverse what is almost a total economic break down...providing that a reversal is even possible. I personally think that over 50% of the currently unemployed will never get their jobs back and that the current number of unemployed will never be reduced by 50%. I personally think we peaked and will basically just stumble along from here on out.

But these are just my thoughts...and I do not know anymore than the next person...and my thinking is just that...thinking. I am not and will never become an activist.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

I personally think that it will take 10 years or more to reverse what is almost a total economic break down...providing that a reversal is even possible. I personally think that over 50% of the currently unemployed will never get their jobs back and that the current number of unemployed will never be reduced by 50%. I personally think we peaked and will basically just stumble along from here on out.

But these are just my thoughts...and I do not know anymore than the next person...and my thinking is just that...thinking. I am not and will never become an activist.

I believe the same, but not because thats just the way things are, it's because instead of doing the right thing, the government is growing in size, thats not the right way to go.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What is his agenda?

OK, I would say that his agenda is pushing things that he wants and not what the people want.

Brown ran for the senate seat that was left after Ted Kennedy died, Mass. is a democratic state and Brown ran on the platform of NOT voting for the healthcare bill. He proved thats what the people wanted, but was dismissed by Obamanation.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

OK, I would say that his agenda is pushing things that he wants and not what the people want.

Brown ran for the senate seat that was left after Ted Kennedy died, Mass. is a democratic state and Brown ran on the platform of NOT voting for the healthcare bill. He proved thats what the people wanted, but was dismissed by Obamanation.

Brown proved that people across the state are pissed and willing to try something new. We saw that in 2008 practically across the board. We saw that in the elections at the end of 2009. I'm pretty sure we are going to see it again in 2010. And I definitely would not be surprised if we see it yet again in 2012.

I wouldn't really say any newly elected candidate is winning popularity contests. They are winning based on people hating the other person. Not exactly something to champion.

[Joshua G]

Obamas problem is his party, not his agenda. Things he wants gets watered down or outright rejected by his own party. Without control of his party, he is a hostage to the whims of pelosi & reid, who are garbage.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

OK, I would say that his agenda is pushing things that he wants and not what the people want.

Brown ran for the senate seat that was left after Ted Kennedy died, Mass. is a democratic state and Brown ran on the platform of NOT voting for the healthcare bill. He proved thats what the people wanted, but was dismissed by Obamanation.

That state has a health care bill and from the polls and interviews I read and saw the people of the state thought that their healthcare bill was better than the one that the Congress was proposing thus did not want to elect someone that would vote for the Congressional bill.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Sly

Brown proved that people across the state are pissed and willing to try something new. We saw that in 2008 practically across the board. We saw that in the elections at the end of 2009. I'm pretty sure we are going to see it again in 2010. And I definitely would not be surprised if we see it yet again in 2012.

I wouldn't really say any newly elected candidate is winning popularity contests. They are winning based on people hating the other person. Not exactly something to champion.

I personally think that incumbents of both parties will take a hit in the mid term elections.

[HomerSimpson]

@Vendzilla: nice avatar

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

Brown proved that people across the state are pissed and willing to try something new. We saw that in 2008 practically across the board. We saw that in the elections at the end of 2009. I'm pretty sure we are going to see it again in 2010. And I definitely would not be surprised if we see it yet again in 2012.

I wouldn't really say any newly elected candidate is winning popularity contests. They are winning based on people hating the other person. Not exactly something to champion.

yeah, started in 06, we were promised change, what happened after that? Everything changed alright. Democrats fucked us
Look at it this way, if the economy is bad, regulations are adding,do you expand your business?

Originally Posted by joshgirls

Obamas problem is his party, not his agenda. Things he wants gets watered down or outright rejected by his own party. Without control of his party, he is a hostage to the whims of pelosi & reid, who are garbage.

Best analogy I heard about the democratic party is they are like herding cats

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

@Vendzilla: nice avatar

Thanx, Briana is sending me some new ones that were just shot by Michael Bell, she's been working out and is in the best shape ever.

Originally Posted by theking

That state has a health care bill and from the polls and interviews I read and saw the people of the state thought that their healthcare bill was better than the one that the Congress was proposing thus did not want to elect someone that would vote for the Congressional bill.

Then why is the liberal media playing it off as Coakley fucked up her campaign? I know they had health-care, Obama-Care scared them just the same

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

yeah, started in 06, we were promised change, what happened after that? Everything changed alright. Democrats fucked us
Look at it this way, if the economy is bad, regulations are adding,do you expand your business?



Best analogy I heard about the democratic party is they are like herding cats



Thanx, Briana is sending me some new ones that were just shot by Michael Bell, she's been working out and is in the best shape ever.



Then why is the liberal media playing it off as Coakley fucked up her campaign? I know they had health-care, Obama-Care scared them just the same

Yes...I stated that...they thought that their health care bill was better than the bill being proposed by Congress...and I specify Congress because the President did not get the health care bill that he wanted...so it is really Congress-Care and not Obama-Care.

The media does what it does...left leaning media and right leaning media. It is unforunate that a non biased media does not exist.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

@Vendzilla: nice avatar

If you like big tits


The Queen is a superb babe & our parliment doesnt have the problems that the US seem to have with goverment.....


Enjoy & let the job be done, hoping well. From what I see, Your President doesnt need more latinos to vote for him, he needs more of everyone to vote for him.

[tony286]

Whatever he does is wrong. Just say that it saves time then all the bullshit. In your eyes he can do no right and that's fine but be honest dont call him a liberal because he isnt.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony299

Whatever he does is wrong. Just say that it saves time then all the bullshit. In your eyes he can do no right and that's fine but be honest dont call him a liberal because he isnt.

liberal I could handle, it's the dumb thats got me going