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crazytrini85 · 07-03-2010, 06:42 AM

If you are non-Canadian and do not earn money IN Canada, do you have to pay taxes to the Canadian government or are you exempt?

Anyone know?

xmas13 · 07-03-2010, 07:12 AM

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fatfoo · 07-03-2010, 08:08 AM

If you are non-Canadian and do not earn money in Canada, I would say that you don't have to pay taxes to Canada.

You have to pay taxes to Canada if you are a Canadian resident. Canadian resident has to pay taxes on Canadian income and Worldwide income. You have to move out of Canada for a certain number of months before being considered non-Canadian resident. You may still get to keep your citizenship.

woj · 07-03-2010, 08:18 AM

that doesn't make any sense...

You are living in Canada, but are trying to claim the money is not actually earned there?

quiet · 07-03-2010, 08:19 AM

you're going to have to pay taxes lol.

CDSmith · 07-03-2010, 09:46 AM

Wait, you're living here but you aren't a citizen, and you're earning money (from elsewhere or whatever, it doesn't matter) and you...what? Plan to keep living here? That about right? Sorry, you're eventually going to have to pay taxes somewhere along the line, either here or back in your home country.

I'd say you best contact someone at: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/cntct/menu-eng.html and ask them what the deal is.

Unless you're here illegally, then I'd have to say don't contact them. :D

MetaMan · 07-03-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

If you are non-Canadian and do not earn money IN Canada, do you have to pay taxes to the Canadian government or are you exempt?

Anyone know?

wtf does that even mean? read wtf you wrote.

"you are non canadian and do not earn money in canada"

that makes 0 sense.

even if you open a laptop here and get paid from Australia you are working here.

Shoplifter · 07-03-2010, 10:06 AM

Canadian taxes are all based on residency. So yes.

fatfoo · 07-03-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that doesn't make any sense...

You are living in Canada, but are trying to claim the money is not actually earned there?

Let's say you are a Canadian resident and an American resident sends money to your Canadian bank account (sales transaction). You will have to pay Canadian income taxes. GST / PST / HST does not have to be charged on those sales, I believe.

MetaMan · 07-03-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Canadian taxes are all based on residency. So yes.

this is all it boils down to.

quiet · 07-03-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

Let's say you are a Canadian resident and an American resident sends money to your Canadian bank account. You will have to pay Canadian income taxes. GST / PST / HST does not have to be charged on those sales, I believe.

nope. i got a gst audit in 2002, and they forced my to pay retroactive gst for the previous 4 years.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-03-2010, 10:22 AM

High taxes, the fun side of socialism.

fatfoo · 07-03-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet

nope. i got a gst audit in 2002, and they forced my to pay retroactive gst for the previous 4 years.

That could be true. Several different Canadian accountants told me that gst does not have to get included if the revenue of the small business is less than $30,000 / year.

Elli · 07-03-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

That could be true. Several different Canadian accountants told me that gst does not have to get included if the revenue of the small business is less than $30,000 / year.

True, and you can only charge GST to canadian customers. I had to pay retroactively as well, but it didn't add up to too much.

jjmerago · 07-03-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

True, and you can only charge GST to canadian customers. I had to pay retroactively as well, but it didn't add up to too much.

Wrong!

That would mean tourists would be exempt from all taxes as they are not canadian customers.

Fact is as soon as you step into canada you pay taxes. Here in BC its now 1 sales tax HST so even if you try and scam your way out of income tax you will still have to pay 12% on everything you buy.
As for your question ... yes you have to pay income tax even if your not a canadian citizen. If your staying up here and work from home its up to you to file taxes as a non-resident. Even if all your business is based outside the country you still have to declare.

But then again if ya just don't feel like paying I direct you again to our unavoidable sales tax which you cannot escape. On the bright side though if you get hit by a car ... its free.

Think of all those trips to McDaonalds and 7-11 as a down payment on a trip to a free doctor, free clinic or emergency room visit.

CDSmith · 07-03-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

High taxes, the fun side of socialism.

Your usual lame and completely idiotic comment, right on cue.

Thanks for the laugh.

CDSmith · 07-03-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmerago

Wrong!

No actually she's right. They're talking about web-based sales to a worldwide consumer base, not tourists buying slurpees at 7-11.

I had to go over this lo those years ago when Gamma sent out the memo to affiliates about it. But since I was nowhere near the $30k mark with them or any other Canadian sponsor it ended up not affecting me. For the paysite owners here though it was different, all those doing more than $30k to CANADIAN clients/customers had to cough up some dough.

geedub · 07-03-2010, 07:45 PM

whoa fatfoo is communicating normally

Elli · 07-03-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

No actually she's right. They're talking about web-based sales to a worldwide consumer base, not tourists buying slurpees at 7-11.

I had to go over this lo those years ago when Gamma sent out the memo to affiliates about it. But since I was nowhere near the $30k mark with them or any other Canadian sponsor it ended up not affecting me. For the paysite owners here though it was different, all those doing more than $30k to CANADIAN clients/customers had to cough up some dough.

See that's where it was different for me. The gov't told me that I was making $30k or more TOTAL sales (declared revenue for a Cdn business) so I had to pay GST on my Canadian customers.

Elli · 07-03-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmerago

Wrong!

That would mean tourists would be exempt from all taxes as they are not canadian customers.

Fact is as soon as you step into canada you pay taxes. Here in BC its now 1 sales tax HST so even if you try and scam your way out of income tax you will still have to pay 12% on everything you buy.
As for your question ... yes you have to pay income tax even if your not a canadian citizen. If your staying up here and work from home its up to you to file taxes as a non-resident. Even if all your business is based outside the country you still have to declare.

But then again if ya just don't feel like paying I direct you again to our unavoidable sales tax which you cannot escape. On the bright side though if you get hit by a car ... its free.

Think of all those trips to McDaonalds and 7-11 as a down payment on a trip to a free doctor, free clinic or emergency room visit.

Yes, technically you are supposed to verify if the customer is accessing your members' area from inside Canada, and charge them tax if they are. It's not based on residency, but place of purchase/usage.

jackknoff · 07-03-2010, 08:39 PM

You should probably check out tax attorney in your local area. I hear the Canucks are pretty vicious if you're supposed to pay taxes and don't.

Spanx!
Jack

CDSmith · 07-03-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli

See that's where it was different for me. The gov't told me that I was making $30k or more TOTAL sales (declared revenue for a Cdn business) so I had to pay GST on my Canadian customers.

Not different just for you, you're talking about your paysite revenue, yes? You as the owner would have to consider your total income, yes, and if it's over the $30k you have to figure out how much of that was Cdn business and pay GST on that figure. And be able to show proof. :D

But as an affiliate it's a bit different. At the time this came into effect I only had one or two sponsors who were based in Canada, the other 99% of my business income coming from the US and EU mainly. In an affiliate's case it's like the sponsor is your client, thus you only pay GST on your Cdn 'clients'... and as I said mine was nowhere near that $30k mark for those few Cdn sponsors.

Thus I've never had to worry about it. :D

EliteWebmaster · 07-03-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Canadian taxes are all based on residency. So yes.

Exactly

grumpy · 07-04-2010, 01:11 AM

you pay taxes in the country where you make the money. So you can live in Canada make your money in the usa and pay taxes there.

MrBottomTooth · 07-04-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli

True, and you can only charge GST to canadian customers. I had to pay retroactively as well, but it didn't add up to too much.

This is only if you run your own paysites though, correct?

I'm pretty sure affiliates promoting US-based programs don't have to remit GST on their affiliate sales, unless they are promoting a Canadian-based sponsor.

edit: Just seen CDSmith posted basically the same thing as me.

TeenSluts · 07-05-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

you pay taxes in the country where you make the money. So you can live in Canada make your money in the usa and pay taxes there.

nope
nope

MetaMan · 07-05-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

you pay taxes in the country where you make the money. So you can live in Canada make your money in the usa and pay taxes there.

you are a fucking idiot.

Bryan G · 07-05-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

High taxes, the fun side of socialism.

God you're retarded. I love when people talk about things they have no clue about.

STFU!!

Elli · 07-05-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Not different just for you, you're talking about your paysite revenue, yes? You as the owner would have to consider your total income, yes, and if it's over the $30k you have to figure out how much of that was Cdn business and pay GST on that figure. And be able to show proof. :D

But as an affiliate it's a bit different. At the time this came into effect I only had one or two sponsors who were based in Canada, the other 99% of my business income coming from the US and EU mainly. In an affiliate's case it's like the sponsor is your client, thus you only pay GST on your Cdn 'clients'... and as I said mine was nowhere near that $30k mark for those few Cdn sponsors.

Thus I've never had to worry about it. :D

ah correct, yes. I was speaking as a paysite owner/operator. Affiliates would be handled differently.

Elli · 07-05-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

High taxes, the fun side of socialism.

I was actually under the impression that Canadians pay pretty similar income tax levels to Americans.

_Richard_ · 07-05-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli

I was actually under the impression that Canadians pay pretty similar income tax levels to Americans.

Americans a tad less, but that's what my brother told me after coming up from California

Mutt · 07-05-2010, 11:09 AM

My Canadian company had a GST audit a few years ago and I fully expected I was going to be hit for the GST on Canadian customers who joined my paysite through 3rd party processors - to my surprise, wasn't charged. Got lucky I guess.

Mutt · 07-05-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli

I was actually under the impression that Canadians pay pretty similar income tax levels to Americans.

depends on the state, there are a few US states whose residents overall pay as much in taxes as Canadians do.

As far as personal income taxes, American's average and marginal tax rates are lower than Canadians' but not by all that much. I haven't looked in a while but i think about 5% lower.

No doubt Obama is a socialist and by the time he leaves office Americans will end up pretty much the same as Canadians tax wise. The Republicans will try to roll back some of it when they get back in power but with the mess the American economy is they might not be able to and will have to just tell the public they can thank Obama for the gift of higher taxes.

of course Americans will now have a universal healthcare system, as flawed as it is.

Elli · 07-05-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

depends on the state, there are a few US states whose residents overall pay as much in taxes as Canadians do.

As far as personal income taxes, American's average and marginal tax rates are lower than Canadians' but not by all that much. I haven't looked in a while but i think about 5% lower.

No doubt Obama is a socialist and by the time he leaves office Americans will end up pretty much the same as Canadians tax wise. The Republicans will try to roll back some of it when they get back in power but with the mess the American economy is they might not be able to and will have to just tell the public they can thank Obama for the gift of higher taxes.

of course Americans will now have a universal healthcare system, as flawed as it is.

Is it truly a universal option though? I understood that they were just mostly beefing up medicare/medicaid.

Shoplifter · 07-05-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Elli

I was actually under the impression that Canadians pay pretty similar income tax levels to Americans.

In general this is true. However there are many hidden taxes in the form of duties and consumption taxes that drive the prices of everything through the roof.

Odie · 07-05-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jjmerago

Wrong!

That would mean tourists would be exempt from all taxes as they are not canadian customers.

Fact is as soon as you step into canada you pay taxes. Here in BC its now 1 sales tax HST so even if you try and scam your way out of income tax you will still have to pay 12% on everything you buy.
As for your question ... yes you have to pay income tax even if your not a canadian citizen. If your staying up here and work from home its up to you to file taxes as a non-resident. Even if all your business is based outside the country you still have to declare.

But then again if ya just don't feel like paying I direct you again to our unavoidable sales tax which you cannot escape. On the bright side though if you get hit by a car ... its free.

Think of all those trips to McDaonalds and 7-11 as a down payment on a trip to a free doctor, free clinic or emergency room visit.

a TOURIST can claim the taxes that they spend while in Canada...there are forms to file but it just takes forever to file them so it's not worth it unless you spend $$$$ amts..nobody tells you this of course but the forms are available at customs upon exit.

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