Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-16-2010, 09:29 PM

150 Tube sites with pirated content...

So Nathan is the face that Manwin wants us to see, even though he has had shady tubes in the past, makes you wonder about who the other "partners" are.

Surely that is not a secret Fabian - so who are they? Any leftovers from Mansef/Brazzers?

ADG

papill0n · 07-16-2010, 10:27 PM

here is my official response

go and get fucked

crazytrini85 · 07-16-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

hold on... just realized something... you are the one that posted you didn't care how a customer or content producer was screwed over, i.e., hidden cross sells and stolen unlicensed content, as long as you got paid.

So, we may both be pathetic but you are actually a hippocrate too.

I've said I don't care how a program bills as I just want paid for the sales I send them. What they do on the billing back end is none of my business, my business is sending them traffic which hopefully turn into sales.

Don't think you will ever find a statement where I say producers should be screwed over. If you did, read it close as it may be a sarcastic reply to someone who was in support of illegal tubes or torrents.

One thing is for sure, I don't continue to do business with those who I have to constantly remind to stop stealing from me. That is what is pathetic. It's like an abused wife who just keeps going back for more because she feels that's the best she's ever going to get.

crazytrini85 · 07-16-2010, 10:31 PM

This whole thing is like when honest Bob Rice slid in and took over Solo Converts because everyone outed the owners for being carders. Bob walks in, everyone strokes his cock, it's back to business as usual.

After a few posts and a couple of drinks at a show, it's all good. This is why the cycle of scum continues.

bdjerk · 07-16-2010, 10:39 PM

he's their only shot at being a faceguy.

Mutt · 07-16-2010, 10:49 PM

depressing

DWB · 07-16-2010, 11:00 PM

Not sure what amazes me the most, the fact that they have the balls to try to pull something like this off, or the fact that so many of you are so desperate and/or gullible that you believe it.

It's always going to be business as usual, you can tell by his answers. This isn't even worth debating.

theking · 07-16-2010, 11:01 PM

If what a company is doing is illegal...why then does not someone take them to court...and win. The time or two that a company was taken to court that I am aware of...if I recall correctly the judge dismissed the case. If what a company is doing is not illegal then why the constant bitching? Apparently the bitching does not seem to affect their bottom line as many of them...such as this company seem to be doing very well financially. Is it simply jealousy that they make the big bucks and the ones that are bitching do not? That is what it appears to be to me. Am I wrong?

Nathan · 07-16-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Comment on this. You ran Virage Media, which was among the worst copyright offenders (right along with Mansef), and was known for being heavily involved in piracy and screwing the industry.

Therefore, I find it very disingenuous of you to say you can't comment on how Mansef was run in the past, when you ran some of your own websites in the very same way people have criticized Mansef for.

You've ducked your connection to Virage up until now. Why is that?

So who all from Mansef is gone? The Manwin site is the same web site with the same contact info as Mansef (only the company name is changed).

It seems like the only thing that has changed is three letters in the company name.

SSDD...

ADG

I do not know why, but I know you from somewhere, the nick rings a bell and I do not know why.. I can nolonger place if its positive or negative... but oh well.

I have a stupid question though.. Virage was "amongst the worst copyright offenders"?? You can only mean XTube, but uhm, you clearly can't, considering the amount of money XTube pays for content licenses each month and pays to Studios in royalties...

I have not ducked any connection to Virage, I have simply not talked about it, and I still see no reason why I should...

That the Manwin site is the same has a simple reason, I would prefer focusing on stuff that actually matters over a corporate website used mainly for HR. A new site is in the works though and I hope it will be up soon, but I did not want to delay any PR until that was done.

Nathan · 07-16-2010, 11:34 PM

Small side note:

I am not going to comment on anyone that calls us a "thief" or claims that all content on our tubes is uploaded by us, since its simply an idiotic game to play and there is no sense in discussing with any of them about it since they will keep coming back with the same stuff over and over again...

Nathan · 07-16-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

damn, sam jain is a bad man. it looks like he has scammed millions in ransomware. innovative marketing is all over the internet. so if he is partners with the others and daniel then brazzers was bought by ransomware money. wow thats nuts. i read there are 6 partners.

Good thing I am not partners with them, although I do not really know who sam jain is... I guess I have to do some reading...

It would be great if you kept the non-sense out of the thread though, but I sadly know that will never happen so I will try to just ignore it...

Nathan · 07-17-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ladida

Should have just ignored that comment, cause before this, you've not lied in the thread, should have stuck with it

Sorry, missed this one...

No, I have actually not lied. I have nothing to do with envisionext.com. I am good friends with Stan, yes, never denied that... Have known him for ages too... But no, we do not own envisionext.com ...

Your information is a few years old.. things change.

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Good thing I am not partners with them, although I do not really know who sam jain is... I guess I have to do some reading...

It would be great if you kept the non-sense out of the thread though, but I sadly know that will never happen so I will try to just ignore it...

Keep telling yourself that and everything will be ok. God damn.. I can't wait to see the serious fucking shit that is about to go down. One good thing.. you'll be famous... that's for sure.

lagcam · 07-17-2010, 01:06 AM

I think I can see where this headed and if I am right it is actually very smart.

I understand that many of you guys posting feel personally aggrieved and financially robbed by previous actions of the sites concerned but reality is that sounding off on a forum doesn't help anything.

I don't imagine it will stop "Nathan" sleeping at night and I don't imagine he will put his hands up and say "sorry we did you wrong here is a check for $1 million as an apology".

If I was a previously violated content producer (which I am not), I would not only be concentrating my time on better protecting my content (as Robbie clearly has) but I would also be reading the content of the posts here and thinking how I could in future get money from these people, which is why most of us are actually in business (those of us that actually are).

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

I think I can see where this headed and if I am right it is actually very smart.

I understand that many of you guys posting feel personally aggrieved and financially robbed by previous actions of the sites concerned but reality is that sounding off on a forum doesn't help anything.

I don't imagine it will stop "Nathan" sleeping at night and I don't imagine he will put his hands up and say "sorry we did you wrong here is a check for $1 million as an apology".

If I was a previously violated content producer (which I am not), I would not only be concentrating my time on better protecting my content (as Robbie clearly has) but I would also be reading the content of the posts here and thinking how I could in future get money from these people, which is why most of us are actually in business (those of us that actually are).

Nope.... wrong again..... and again.. this has ZERO to do with tubes, piracy traffic, previous adult content theft.. etc... Watch and learn.

BigDeanEvans · 07-17-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Keep telling yourself that and everything will be ok. God damn.. I can't wait to see the serious fucking shit that is about to go down. One good thing.. you'll be famous... that's for sure.

You mean infamous ;)

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

You mean infamous ;)

famous - Dateline shit

Hans Gruber: Mr. Mystery Guest? Are you still there?
John McClane: Yeah, I'm still here. Unless you wanna open the front door for me.
Hans Gruber: Uh, no, I'm afraid not. But, you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?
John McClane: Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts.
Hans Gruber: Do you really think you have a chance against us, Mr. Cowboy?
John McClane: Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker.

pradaboy · 07-17-2010, 01:44 AM

Amazing to see the BRO gang in full effect once again. At the end of the day people simply DO NOT care. That's what's hurting this industry.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-17-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I do not know why, but I know you from somewhere, the nick rings a bell and I do not know why.. I can nolonger place if its positive or negative... but oh well.

I have a stupid question though.. Virage was "amongst the worst copyright offenders"?? You can only mean XTube, but uhm, you clearly can't, considering the amount of money XTube pays for content licenses each month and pays to Studios in royalties...

I have not ducked any connection to Virage, I have simply not talked about it, and I still see no reason why I should...

That the Manwin site is the same has a simple reason, I would prefer focusing on stuff that actually matters over a corporate website used mainly for HR. A new site is in the works though and I hope it will be up soon, but I did not want to delay any PR until that was done.

The only person named Fabian whom I have dealt with in adult was a fellow years ago that was trying to get me to license my content for ITVN and XTV (both now defunct set-top box companies who shared Charles Prast of iBill fame in common).

Still reticent about Virage, who owned more than just Xtube.

How many DMCA takedown requests did Xtube process last year?

Many large tube sites purchase content. That is irrelevant to the point I was making. Hell, I have licensed lots of 3rd party content myself as bonus material to the people who join my sites for my exclusive content. I just don't use anyone else's copyrighted content without permission or a license, period.

ADG

Brujah · 07-17-2010, 01:52 AM

Don't listen to the guys telling you everything will be ok, and that this is a great move and you should all come aboard the good ship. Let them PROVE it to you first. Let them answer all of your valid questions and if they can't be honest with you, then there's your answer.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-17-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Sorry, missed this one...

No, I have actually not lied. I have nothing to do with envisionext.com. I am good friends with Stan, yes, never denied that... Have known him for ages too... But no, we do not own envisionext.com ...

Your information is a few years old.. things change.

O'rly?!?

I guess it's not lying when you say that you have nothing to do with Envisionext, and that you are simply good friends with Stan.

The only thing is, you neglected to mention that according to LinkedIn, Stan Fiskin was simultaneously CEO of Envisionext and COO for Virage.

I can understand why you don't want to discuss Virage, but why can't you tell us who your current "partners" are in Manwin, if you are so proud of this fine upstanding company?

Let me guess - LinkedIn has it in for you:

Stan on LinkedIn

Keep spinning...

I'll ask again, since you say you don't lie, who are the other partners in Manwin?

ADG

lazycash · 07-17-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackie Lantern

I'll send you an ICQ. Very soon, it will all be clear.

Nathan, you probably will remember Jackie Lantern as Mr Pheer.

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Keep telling yourself that and everything will be ok. God damn.. I can't wait to see the serious fucking shit that is about to go down. One good thing.. you'll be famous... that's for sure.

I would love to know who you really are. big pussy hiding behind a keyboard

RFremont · 07-17-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Not Kate I'm afraid :/

Some people here seem to call me "asshole" or "mother fucker" too.. I'll survive...

Add thief, liar, cheater, scammer and piece of shit to that list. You should be locked up like all criminal minded people.

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

I would love to know who you really are. big pussy hiding behind a keyboard

Shut the fuck up Wacko Backo

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I'll ask again, since you say you don't lie, who are the other partners in Manwin?

ADG

Ask Interpol.

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Shut the fuck up Wacko Backo

WHy dont you make me motherfucker

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

WHy dont you make me motherfucker

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.. So Scary.

Nathan · 07-17-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

O'rly?!?

I guess it's not lying when you say that you have nothing to do with Envisionext, and that you are simply good friends with Stan.

The only thing is, you neglected to mention that according to LinkedIn, Stan Fiskin was simultaneously CEO of Envisionext and COO for Virage.

I can understand why you don't want to discuss Virage, but why can't you tell us who your current "partners" are in Manwin, if you are so proud of this fine upstanding company?

Let me guess - LinkedIn has it in for you:

Stan on LinkedIn

Keep spinning...

I'll ask again, since you say you don't lie, who are the other partners in Manwin?

ADG

GFY Police is hilarious every time...

Surprisingly enough people can work for two companies at the same time without the two companies being owned by eachother. Also, as I have said, in case you missed it "things change"...

Anyway, to get to your question you seem to be so interested in... even though I have no obligation towards you whatsoever, and since honestly you are not going to believe me anyway... but who cares... if by "Partners" you mean shareholders, which is the only thing I can imagine, then there are no other noteworthy partners (noteworthy in terms of owning more than 1 or 2 %)

But now, obviously, you are going to call me some name again, or say I am obviously lying or whatnot... So considering that, if you think I am lying, come and prove it or STFU. I think there is some GFY rule... hmm...

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.. So Scary.

Cmon motherfucker tell me who you are and where you are, I'll meet you in a split second

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

Cmon motherfucker tell me who you are and where you are, I'll meet you in a split second

Fuck off Wacko Backo. I'll find you.

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Fuck off Wacko Backo. I'll find you.

Come with it then, let me know where and what time, I'm here WHATS UP

Marcus Aurelius · 07-17-2010, 03:10 AM

Requesting cliff notes on this tread.

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

Come with it then, let me know where and what time, I'm here WHATS UP

Keep guessin' little bitch. I own your ass

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Keep guessin' little bitch.

I think you are the troll from Australia that failed with his own program and you look like Frankenstein

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

I think you are the troll from Australia that failed with his own program and you look like Frankenstein

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Keep guessin' little bitch. I own your ass

You own me lol fuck you bitch you don't own shit, Your a fucking Keyboard warrior

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

You own me lol fuck you bitch you don't own shit, Your a fucking Keyboard warrior

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

That's all you got anyways, Stop talking shit about people and shut your fucking mouth. You aint shit and you will never be shit, FUCKING TROLL

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

That's all you got anyways, Stop talking shit about people and shut your fucking mouth. You aint shit and you will never be shit, FUCKING TROLL

Make Me - Make me.. Lol....

crazytrini85 · 07-17-2010, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Small side note:

I am not going to comment on anyone that calls us a "thief" or claims that all content on our tubes is uploaded by us, since its simply an idiotic game to play and there is no sense in discussing with any of them about it since they will keep coming back with the same stuff over and over again...

My god, you are so full of shit.

Tell me again why Brazzers is getting sued by Pink Visual?

Oh that's right, BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING THIEVES!

The shoe fits, bro.

Now that I know you were involved in Virage and the owner of Envisionext was COO for Virage, I have to question that other company you started, what was the name of it again... you know, the one with the "mysterious" huge data leak and all the CC data compromised? I'm bad with names.

Nathan · 07-17-2010, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Nathan, you probably will remember Jackie Lantern as Mr Pheer.

Awesome! Can not wait for the MSG on icq, have not talked to him in AGES!

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

Make Me - Make me.. Lol....

Hiding behind your computer HUh?

crazytrini85 · 07-17-2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Surprisingly enough people can work for two companies at the same time without the two companies being owned by each other. Also, as I have said, in case you missed it "things change"...

but who cares... if by "Partners" you mean shareholders, which is the only thing I can imagine, then there are no other noteworthy partners (noteworthy in terms of owning more than 1 or 2 %)

Birds of a feather, flock together.

Zyber · 07-17-2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Another interesting read: Connecting the Dots

ADG

Good find, ADG.

I recommend everyone to read that link.

With this clear evidence it just shows how pathetic some studio owners are.

Crying about their own licenses, but see no problem in selling their content to the tubes who stole from everyone.

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BAKO

Hiding behind your computer HUh?

See sig

Nathan · 07-17-2010, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by crazytrini85

My god, you are so full of shit.

Tell me again why Brazzers is getting sued by Pink Visual?

Oh that's right, BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING THIEVES!

The shoe fits, bro.

Now that I know you were involved in Virage and the owner of Envisionext was COO for Virage, I have to question that other company you started, what was the name of it again... you know, the one with the "mysterious" huge data leak and all the CC data compromised? I'm bad with names.

Mansef is being sued by pink visual, not brazzers. Get your facts straight before you post. Also, last time I checked suing people is relatively simple to do... So if you want, I can just sue you too, and then call you a thief since obviously you must be one since you got sued...

Awesome logic...

Regarding the mysterious other company, until you actually say which you mean, I can not comment...

BAKO · 07-17-2010, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LickMyBalls

See sig

Very funny, I cant stop laughing

LickMyBalls · 07-17-2010, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Mansef is being sued by pink visual, not brazzers. Get your facts straight before you post. Also, last time I checked suing people is relatively simple to do... So if you want, I can just sue you too, and then call you a thief since obviously you must be one since you got sued...

Awesome logic...

Regarding the mysterious other company, until you actually say which you mean, I can not comment...

When will you be in Miami?

Why · 07-17-2010, 03:46 AM

wow, this is a fucked up thread. but i guess thats adult business as usual. wild shit in here, will be interesting to watch it all move forward, in whatever direction that is.

interesting changes for you, from coder of nats(the N in nats) to "partner" in brazzers.

is PA still doing well? always converted well with my german traffic.

07-16-2010, 09:29 PM	#151
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07-16-2010, 10:27 PM	#152
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	here is my official response go and get fucked

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Not sure what amazes me the most, the fact that they have the balls to try to pull something like this off, or the fact that so many of you are so desperate and/or gullible that you believe it. It's always going to be business as usual, you can tell by his answers. This isn't even worth debating.

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Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Small side note: I am not going to comment on anyone that calls us a "thief" or claims that all content on our tubes is uploaded by us, since its simply an idiotic game to play and there is no sense in discussing with any of them about it since they will keep coming back with the same stuff over and over again... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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07-17-2010, 01:52 AM	#170
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07-17-2010, 03:46 AM	#200
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	wow, this is a fucked up thread. but i guess thats adult business as usual. wild shit in here, will be interesting to watch it all move forward, in whatever direction that is. interesting changes for you, from coder of nats(the N in nats) to "partner" in brazzers. is PA still doing well? always converted well with my german traffic.