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08-05-2010, 03:28 AM
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"SEO Hosting" - snakeoil or any credence in it?
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How many of these supposed "SEO hosting experts" tell their clients to set up private nameservers for each domain? (instead of using the very same dns on every site they have, albeit on different c classes) Do noobs who sign up for this kind of service realise that their whois information, their registrar, the way they write their sites (common footprint more often than not), the fact that they are actually using a TELEGRAPHED TO GOOGLE "SEO Host" makes them MORE likely to be under the microscope? I'm sick of these guys trying to pull the wool over the eyes of newcomers in this business. The whole "SEO Hosting" Marketing spin should be stamped out. Different C classes  Fuck you.  |
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08-05-2010, 03:31 AM
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It certainly has it's benefit, but not for the price tagged along with it.
I've my own network of blogs specifically for seo, and it works extremely, extremely well. It's expensive, but the results are worth it. By worth it, I mean I can include my brand new site into my network (most of which are sites PR4-PR6) and can dominate difficult niches within a month or two. edit: Just read my reply and it seemed a bit contradictory. For my network, I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks. However, going with someone like HG and having a different c block for each website, along with geo may work. I haven't tested it. |
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08-05-2010, 03:35 AM
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So your opinion is more or less worthless yes? Thx.
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08-05-2010, 03:41 AM
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08-05-2010, 03:46 AM
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"I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks"
Do you even comprehend what this discussion is about Goodbye. |
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08-05-2010, 03:46 AM
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08-05-2010, 03:47 AM
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08-05-2010, 03:49 AM
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08-05-2010, 03:50 AM
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maybe for blackhat, but for legit whitehat seo, you dont need "seo" hosting. on mutiple ips across class c's.
people need to stop falling for this scam
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08-05-2010, 03:53 AM
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08-05-2010, 03:54 AM
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Precisely fris, this is what pisses me off.
I don't mind people making an honest buck, but trying to upsell this BS to people which will actually make them WORSE off in the long run, that really annoys me. I have reeled in my 20 odd hosting companies to less than 10 this year with zero impact whatsoever. People should realise they are part of a WORLD WIDE WEB and not try and make their own little obviously found out pockets. |
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08-05-2010, 04:14 AM
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mgtarheels, I suggest you are totally out of your depth.
I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them, have always mixed it up in terms of registrars and hosts. Do me a favour, fuck off already, and take your whitelabel cam site with you, muppet. |
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exactly why im laughing at you, you goon. follow along, turbo. |
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08-05-2010, 04:17 AM
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Well,if you need to do multiple c class thingy,then it's better to buy multiple small virtual accounts then bother with one company only.
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08-05-2010, 04:27 AM
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anyway, Im off to sleep. enjoy trying to slam something you've never used.
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08-05-2010, 05:56 AM
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Thx488, these assholes are like shit to a blanket.
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08-05-2010, 06:14 AM
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Come on you supposed "SEO" hosting companies, bring it.
I want PROOF of your claims, otherwise remove all this "SEO" BS and stop ripping off clueless customers, I don't know how you sleep straight / at all in bed at night. |
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08-05-2010, 06:17 AM
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08-05-2010, 06:22 AM
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I am with the vault, and half a dozen other "knowledge sharing" places, yet we're all toughing it out, I hate these exploitative wankers sorry, I prefer to make money off my own back and help people out where / when I can.
Position 4 in: About 129,000,000 results (0.27 seconds) Ok, time to crash. |
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08-05-2010, 06:23 AM
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This thread is very amusing
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08-05-2010, 06:34 AM
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But to answer your question....NO... SEO hosting is most definitively not a scam (yes I have hands-on-experience in this field)... but just like any SEO tool.... it won't do shit if you dont know how to use it. (YES, SEO hosting is just a tool or stepping-stone towards a much bigger goal, if you don't have in mind a bigger-more-in-depth plan then you won't see the point of having a bunch of IPs in different Cs......and yes! you will say it is all Snake-Oil) At any rate.. I'll be back when this thread gets more amusing than the rest of the threads out there... I thought I saw a good drama thread just below this one.. |
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No, I'm a dumb twat, you're right, I've not been doing this full time for 8 years for a reason. Here's the stats from one of my 5 accounts with these guys for example, how are you doing online? TOTALS 1879984 549777 12234M, 3385F 9711 $309859.75 $8053.00 $11336.98 54.4% $166890.57 |
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08-05-2010, 07:19 AM
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08-05-2010, 07:47 AM
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Last one, where are the "SEO host" guys fighting their corners?
Let's have you. |
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BTW I can make stuff up too see how easy it is: TOTALS 4409984 753777 42234M, 2185F 9711 $350859.75 $8653.00 $9336.98 68.4% $206890.57 No need to even chop |
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08-05-2010, 08:41 AM
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if you have multiple sites on one server it would be worth the extra to have different IPs for each one. However, some "SEO Hosts" will just give you a block in number order which is a waste. Ideally what you need is different C class IPs to make it effective
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snake oil
i have first page/first link seo results for tons of my mainstream clients on good ole webair virtual accounts for 9.99 a month |
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08-05-2010, 08:49 AM
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Furthermore, I am not sure what the rest of the hosting market charges for 'SEO Hosting'. However, I know that WE are affordable and are not charging anything outrageous. Often times cheaper than what you are currently paying. I can provide you a server, that beats almost any other box in the market on price and bandwidth, and throw in your 5 IP's over different C instead on the same C. So I am STILL cheaper than the competition despite adding in the increased value of the IP ranges. I can sell you an entire class c for $4.00, which is 8IP/5 usable, which is, by comparison ($1/2 x 5) cheaper than the $1.00 - 2.00 per additional IP other web hosting companies charge you for the same block. Again, providing you increased value for the same of less money than you are currently paying. This is nice for those who know A-B-C linking strategy, and how to properly mask their network and still probably cheaper than you are currently paying for your box now truth be told. If other hosting companies out there are charging you insane prices for this stuff, then I understand your gripe. But when I can provide you the same or better, for less than you are currently paying, then I do not see the point of the banter. All the same, good luck with your thread. I do not think BD will take the bait though. |
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08-05-2010, 08:51 AM
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Snake oil. $.02
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I personally believe there's a small benefit to spreading yourself around, but I wouldn't trust a single company to do it. Too much chance of a signature somewhere. For example, do your different IP ranges still belong to the same company name? |
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You're right. Messed that up when I did the original edit re-typing that paragraph. That's what I get for trying to talk on phone, answer IM and post all at the same time. Whoops.
However, common sense as provided, "8IP/5 usable', would have clued most people not trying to argue about petty crap that I what I meant was, an entirely DIFFERENT c-class. No one is going to give you 256 IP's for $4.00. My bad on missing that with the edit. Apologies to rowan. Carry on. |
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08-05-2010, 09:52 AM
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As said above, masking your footprints is the single most important element in interlinking strategies. The footprint includes: host location, IP, site code, content, registrar, nameservers, DNS record modification dates, domain transfer history, whois information and more.
SEO hosting can help with a few of those, but you still need to handle the rest of the factors if you want to succeed. Another free tip is for interlinking networks, pay close attention to link velocity/acceleration. You want things to seem as natural as possible, so the following throws up a flag to google: - Many new links all appearing at once - Links almost all using the same keyword anchor text - No links dropping - All links coming to the same/main page of the domain What you want to do, is: - Links added gradually - Links dropped gradually (of course, always keep a positive link acceleration pace) - Mix up / rotate anchor texts, throwing in some non-relevant or domain name (as would naturally happen) - Mix linking to main pages and deep links Enjoy
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I think you're better off doing it yourself. Think about it. If you use a "SEO host" then it's likely they attract a certain clientèle who tends to do certain things which MAY be seen badly by Google. Consider who your neighbors are within that class C.
For most it isn't even something to worry about in the first place. And indeed it's often better to keep it organic. Far less chance of being banned. |
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total snake oil
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Shut up and go away already... Go sell some more free $500 SEO reports to newbies. Asshole. |
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