anybody use getacoder.com?

[mmcfadden]

I heard it was reliable so I signed up for account today and posted a job.

Now I get 503 error... what does it take to get a decent programmer these days?

www.getacoder.com is it down for u?

[Barefootsies]

Programmers:
konrad ICQ: 59416956
Keyston ICQ: 427438588
Brandon ICQ: 495171318
borked ICQ: 498999

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Programmers:
konrad ICQ: 59416956
Keyston ICQ: 427438588
Brandon ICQ: 495171318
borked ICQ: 498999

$160/hr and that is that. I haven't worked with all of them but simple programming is not 160/hr... nor 100/hr...

It is what I spend and I will find my guy sooner or later.

[CYF]

getacoder.com is up and working for me.

[icymelon]

depends how much work they can do in an hour

[Brujah]

Try myneid at http://www.0x7a69.com/contact

why use that, when you can hire me?!
I've got a portfolio to back my work up and also references from people off GFY

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by Altwebdesign

why use that, when you can hire me?!
I've got a portfolio to back my work up and also references from people off GFY

Ya this guy is awesome. He's made me many sites, always great to work with.

[iwiiiiiiiiii]

Originally Posted by icymelon

depends how much work they can do in an hour

Exactly... It's like my lawyer, the one I had before was 300$/hour, the monthly invoice was in 5 figures, then 2 years ago I moved to an IT one, he charge 590$/hour, and never reached the 5 figures.

For our IT service, we charge 2 figures when we estimate a project.

Raphael

[woj]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

$160/hr and that is that. I haven't worked with all of them but simple programming is not 160/hr... nor 100/hr...

It is what I spend and I will find my guy sooner or later.

you get what you pay for

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

$160/hr and that is that. I haven't worked with all of them but simple programming is not 160/hr... nor 100/hr...

It is what I spend and I will find my guy sooner or later.

How much time and money are you losing by waiting for the right guy?

[iwiiiiiiiiii]

Originally Posted by woj

you get what you pay for

Unfortunately, it's not always right, but I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Sly

How much time and money are you losing by waiting for the right guy?

Yep you're right, but still... 160$ per hour is not realistic... Imagine you pay a really good one for 80000$ per year, to which you add the charges and benefits, let say 90000$, it cost you 45$ per hour, there's limit to charge 4 time the price it worth, twice is ok

The much I paid, was for a really high level engineer in the networks for an analysis, and it was 110$ per hours for 2 weeks work.

Raphael

[woj]

Originally Posted by iwiiiiiiiiii

Unfortunately, it's not always right, but I agree with you.



Yep you're right, but still... 160$ per hour is not realistic... Imagine you pay a really good one for 80000$ per year, to which you add the charges and benefits, let say 90000$, it cost you 45$ per hour, there's limit to charge 4 time the price it worth, twice is ok

The much I paid, was for a really high level engineer in the networks for an analysis, and it was 110$ per hours for 2 weeks work.

Raphael

He may have exaggerated the $160/hr a bit, but still... you need some work done, lets say writing a pretty simple nats plugin....

experienced programmer can knock it out in 3 hours without any drama = $500

some newb will charge $50/hr, but it will be his first time working with nats, so he will have to read the docs, work out how to write nats plugins, etc all this will result in you getting jerked around for a week, total cost will likely be over $500

[Sly]

Originally Posted by iwiiiiiiiiii

Unfortunately, it's not always right, but I agree with you.



Yep you're right, but still... 160$ per hour is not realistic... Imagine you pay a really good one for 80000$ per year, to which you add the charges and benefits, let say 90000$, it cost you 45$ per hour, there's limit to charge 4 time the price it worth, twice is ok

The much I paid, was for a really high level engineer in the networks for an analysis, and it was 110$ per hours for 2 weeks work.

Raphael

I don't know anything about the $160 an hour figure, I really don't know what programmers are going for right now. I was just expanding on to what you had said up above about lawyers. You paid one lawyer a lower amount per hour but it cost you way more money than hiring a proper knowledgeable and experienced lawyer at a much higher rate.

[myneid]

a lot of the hourly rate of most programmers is based on the time you will spend. currently we've decided $160/hour is fair because usually doing 1 hour of work for $100 is not worth it since it takes away from clients paying a monthly retainer.
People paying a monthly retainer though, they need 20 or 50 dedicated hours and are willing to pay that each month, they will get the lower rates.
Its very competitive out there right now, but having a technical person that knows programming and systems and can integrate nats or mpa3 with a custom billing solution is well worth it. What a jr programmer at $40/hour can do in 8 hours, i can do in 1 and you get higher quality.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

$160/hr and that is that. I haven't worked with all of them but simple programming is not 160/hr... nor 100/hr...

It is what I spend and I will find my guy sooner or later.

I understand shopping for a good price but you need to also consider what security
you have in getting what you want done the way you want it done.

Going to a "coder" site to find someone to work on NATS for $50 when someone on
this board does it all the time for $300 is probably not much security.

The programmer here charging $300 is at least bound by his "board credibility";
he/she has got to come through for you or risk the wrath of your next thread.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by sortie

I understand shopping for a good price but you need to also consider what security
you have in getting what you want done the way you want it done.

Going to a "coder" site to find someone to work on NATS for $50 when someone on
this board does it all the time for $300 is probably not much security.

The programmer here charging $300 is at least bound by his "board credibility";
he/she has got to come through for you or risk the wrath of your next thread.

Just can't seem to find anyone that comes through on a consistent basis. I would go to somebody here regarding NATS that knew smarty and all the ins and outs if that is what im looking for but its not.

I'm looking for a programmer reasonably priced that I can pay weekly till jobs are finished or I run out of ideas. Asked for one programmer to commit 12 hours per week and dude just flaked, couldn't believe offered part time salary for at least a month and couldn't even email me back and commit to something.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

Just can't seem to find anyone that comes through on a consistent basis. I would go to somebody here regarding NATS that knew smarty and all the ins and outs if that is what im looking for but its not.

I'm looking for a programmer reasonably priced that I can pay weekly till jobs are finished or I run out of ideas. Asked for one programmer to commit 12 hours per week and dude just flaked, couldn't believe offered part time salary for at least a month and couldn't even email me back and commit to something.

The programmer is in a tough spot of juggling if he commits to only 12 hours a week.
He still needs to take on other jobs and sure enough the big job will come that
asked for a 40 hour a week commitment.
Does the programmer say "sorry Mr. full time dude, I'm already committed to part-time".

Nope.

The programmer will put your 12 hours on hold for the weekend or next week etc...

So what you can realistically expect is that a programmer will be committed to
doing your 12 hours before working on someone else's 12 hours because you are
a steady client.

I suggest forgetting about "hours" anyway and just offer $X per week to work
because I don't really charge by the hour; nobody would ever pay that amount.

Seriously! People say "I need this simple thing done". But the reality is that the
thing is not simple and takes way more time then anyone expected.

Example : "I need this simple javascript done".
The programmer whips it out in just 30 minutes but then spends two days trying to
make it cross-browser compatible. It worked in IE, now try firefox, opps didn't work,
fix for firefox, now re-test in IE and firefox, opps doesn't work in opera, fix for opera,
re-test firefox IE and opera, opps no longer works in IE...etc...etc...

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by myneid

a lot of the hourly rate of most programmers is based on the time you will spend. currently we've decided $160/hour is fair because usually doing 1 hour of work for $100 is not worth it since it takes away from clients paying a monthly retainer.
People paying a monthly retainer though, they need 20 or 50 dedicated hours and are willing to pay that each month, they will get the lower rates.
Its very competitive out there right now, but having a technical person that knows programming and systems and can integrate nats or mpa3 with a custom billing solution is well worth it. What a jr programmer at $40/hour can do in 8 hours, i can do in 1 and you get higher quality.

Agreed - What's up Tanguy?

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by sortie

The programmer is in a tough spot of juggling if he commits to only 12 hours a week.
He still needs to take on other jobs and sure enough the big job will come that
asked for a 40 hour a week commitment.
Does the programmer say "sorry Mr. full time dude, I'm already committed to part-time".

Nope.

The programmer will put your 12 hours on hold for the weekend or next week etc...

I was referred to this particular individual because apparently he needed the extra hours to make it full time work.

He told me maybe a few hours here and there and I told him I needed at least 12 hours, preferably dedicate 1 full and 1 half per week. Actually would like my jobs done from start to finish with no other commitments if that is at all possible.

Some decent programmers out there that can do more then just cms a tgp please contact me for a few sites needed.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

Actually would like my jobs done from start to finish with no other commitments if that is at all possible..

The job will be done from start to finish with no other commitment; but that's the
actual problem. The programmer is going to have to clear his slate before starting
your job and his slate will not be clear until next week which means he can't commit to
the 12 hours for this week.

This will piss you off that you got no programming done this week and rather than
piss you off the programmer just bows out all together.


==== Separate topic ====================================

Here is one thing some clients don't think about :

I can write a particular application fast and it will take 200 lines of code.
But I can also take my time and think things out better and write the exact
same application in 50 lines of code.

Why do that? Because 50 lines is less code to maintain; easier to find a bug etc...
Yet some clients will look at the lines of code and actually think "WTF! I paid that
much for just 50 lines of code". Big mistake because the reason it's only 50 lines
is because it's the most efficient and easiest to update and maintain and it took
longer to think up.

[myneid]

Yea see typically each developer will be in charge of 1-4 clients at a time, but never exceeds.
There are lots of coders, even on gfy, that know the business well, and are reliable.
My company has been contract programming in the adult industry for the last 8 years and we are still around.

[mmcfadden]

Originally Posted by myneid

Yea see typically each developer will be in charge of 1-4 clients at a time, but never exceeds.
There are lots of coders, even on gfy, that know the business well, and are reliable.
My company has been contract programming in the adult industry for the last 8 years and we are still around.

Your company has an email from me. Waiting for your response