Who gets Tim Tebow in tonight's NFL Draft?

[justinsain]

Tonight at 7:30 EST the NFL Draft starts.

My sister is a UF graduate. Her son will graduate next weekend from UF. Lots of Gator fans in my family and it's going to be tough watching Tim Tebow, one of the greatest college football players of all time possibly go in the second or third round.

So who do you think will be the #1 pick and when will Tebow go.

[candyflip]

Let's Go Buffalo.

[Zuzana Designs]

Espn was saying the Bills may get him.

[JA$ON]

He is one of the best college players ever, if not THE best. The problem is that his style doesnt translate well to the NFL. The NFL wants big, strong, non running QBs that can throw well between the LBs and the secondary and that's just not his game. He still throws a bit to side arm (even though he's been working like crazy on it for months)

That being said his work ethic is second to none......he'll go somewhere between 16-30 based on that. IMHO

[L-Pink]

Steelers 18th pick.


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[Axeman]

He won't get picked till Round 2 tomorrow imo.

[poncabare]

too many qb's recently have come from spread offenses like UF that haven't been able to make the adjustment into the league. i.e. Alex Smith, Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell to name a few of the most recent. Heck even 15-20 years ago it didnt work either i.e. Andre Ware, David Klinger, Tim Couch. You have to be a pocket passer first at that level, a good guy/kid who will have to work hard to make it

[Mutt]

i'm a lifelong suffering Bills fan - if they take Tebow in the first round i'll burn One Bills Drive down. I don't want him in the second round either really but it would at least make the misery of being a Bills fan interesting the next couple of seasons seeing if Tebow has any chance of being a successful NFL QB. The vast majority of experts think he has little chance of it.

i want Colt McCoy with the 9th pick.

[poncabare]

Giving up on Trent Edwards already? As far as best college player ever I would give it to Barry Sanders...

"In 1988, in what has been called the greatest season in college football history,[1] Sanders led the nation by averaging 7.6 yards per carry and over 200 yards per game, including rushing for over 300 yards in four games. He set college football season records with 2,628 yards rushing, 3,249 total yards, 234 points, 39 touchdowns, of which 37 were rushing (also a record), 5 consecutive 200 yard games, scored at least 2 touchdowns in 11 consecutive games, and 9 times he scored at least 3 touchdowns. Sanders also ran for 222 yards and scored 5 touchdowns in his three quarters of action in the Holiday Bowl - a game that was not included with his season statistics"

[J. Falcon]

Teebow is going very, very late in the draft. And to say he is one of the greatest college football players of all time is ludicrous.

[poncabare]

Im not bagging on Tebow, but the qb rating is a decent barometer to use in comparing him to others. Vick, and Colt Brennan both had seasons of higher rating than him and look where they are now

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by poncabare

Giving up on Trent Edwards already? As far as best college player ever I would give it to Barry Sanders...

"In 1988, in what has been called the greatest season in college football history,[1] Sanders led the nation by averaging 7.6 yards per carry and over 200 yards per game, including rushing for over 300 yards in four games. He set college football season records with 2,628 yards rushing, 3,249 total yards, 234 points, 39 touchdowns, of which 37 were rushing (also a record), 5 consecutive 200 yard games, scored at least 2 touchdowns in 11 consecutive games, and 9 times he scored at least 3 touchdowns. Sanders also ran for 222 yards and scored 5 touchdowns in his three quarters of action in the Holiday Bowl - a game that was not included with his season statistics"

giving up on Trent Edwards already? He was absolutely brutal and getting worse week by week as he lost more confidence. They don't call him Captain Checkdown for nothing, he's afraid to throw the ball further than 10 yards. He was a third round pick and has started almost 2 seasons worth of games - that's enough.

sadly this is the highlight of the last 10 years of being a Bills fan

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Teebow is going very, very late in the draft. And to say he is one of the greatest college football players of all time is ludicrous.

OK, I think I'm going to pencil you in as being a hater

[ahoy]

I like Tebow, and rooting for him to have a successful NFL career. No way in hell he will drop to the 3rd round. Early 2nd round at the latest. If anything he will bring some instant exposure and fans to the seats.

Colt McCoy with the 9th overall pick? YIKES! Nothing wrong with McCoy, but burning 9th overall on him? That would be a terrible mistake, you could EASILY trade down and catch him late in the first, if not early second.

I keep hearing talk about my Vikings interested in Tebow with the 30th, I guess wouldn't be too upset over it, but I would like to see a DB come instead. Even though Vikings could sure use some more publicity to help with the stadium push. Either way, I am VERY excited for this draft to start and getting closer to NFL season!

Side note - Does anyone collect sports cards these days? Been addicted to the hobby the last 3 months, after not really even looking at a sports card since I was about 12. The cards they make these days are really fucking cool. Autographed cards and game used jersey cards, I suggest checking some out if you were into it as a kid.

Here is a 2010 Golden Tate autographed card I pulled the other day, only 9 made with the "Go Irish" inscription:

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by justinsain

OK, I think I'm going to pencil you in as being a hater

I'm not a hater. I'm just repeating what "experts" are saying about him:

1) He is a headcase

2) He didn't throw at the combine

3) He can't make NFL throws.

4) I can think of about 7 or 8 guys I'd rather have as a rookie backup


I'm not saying he can't be successful, but Tebow is a 3-4 year project at best. A third rounder I would say.

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I'm not a hater. I'm just repeating what "experts" are saying about him:

1) He is a headcase

2) He didn't throw at the combine

3) He can't make NFL throws.

4) I can think of about 7 or 8 guys I'd rather have as a rookie backup


I'm not saying he can't be successful, but Tebow is a 3-4 year project at best. A third rounder I would say.

I won't argue his NFL prospects.

I took offense to your comment about me calling Tebow one of the greatest COLLEGE players of all time ludicrous.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by justinsain

I took offense to your comment about me calling Tebow one of the greatest COLLEGE players of all time ludicrous.

Well it was a bit of an overstatement.
There have been hundreds of great college players and Tebow is not one of them.


Just check this list: http://www.americasbestonline.net/cfootball100.htm

[crazies]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Teebow is going very, very late in the draft. And to say he is one of the greatest college football players of all time is ludicrous.

Muaaahahahahahahaha I guess you haven't been following college ball very long or at least not paying attention. Maybe too much 420 the other day LMFAO

Tebow will go by the end of the 2nd round but then again Coach Belichick doesn't know shit either I suppose eh!

And it's not because I am a die hard Gator fan as I never thought Danny Wuerffel was all that.

GO Gators!!!!!

[stever]

ya right
tim tebow the greatest
balls
he isnt even nfl qb material

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by crazies

Muaaahahahahahahaha I guess you haven't been following college ball very long or at least not paying attention. Maybe too much 420 the other day LMFAO

Tebow will go by the end of the 2nd round but then again Coach Belichick doesn't know shit either I suppose eh!

And it's not because I am a die hard Gator fan as I never thought Danny Wuerffel was all that.

GO Gators!!!!!

Huh????

[CosmicTang]

1. Tebow is arguably the greatest college player of all time. He's one of the greatest without any argument. He has the stats, the hardware and the intangibles to prove it. Any statement to the contrary is misguided by ignorance, hate, or a desire to be contrarian.

2. While he may not be suited to the NFL directly out of college he's the one guy in that circumstance that I'd take a risk on. His work ethic and will to succeed are amazing.

I've been hearing that the Bills and Vikings are interested. I hope for Tebow's sake he winds up in Minnesota over Buffalo. Ick.

As for the Vikings needing publicity for a stadium push...well you'll grab some headlines as soon as the yearly "Will He or Won't He" Brett Favre drama begins.

I don't know that I'd take a QB in the first 5 picks of the draft. They're almost always a bust and you screw your team for years if you do that. Too many great QBs are drafted in later rounds.

[gatorpower]

Originally Posted by poncabare

Im not bagging on Tebow, but the qb rating is a decent barometer to use in comparing him to others. Vick, and Colt Brennan both had seasons of higher rating than him and look where they are now

Tebow owns the highest career college QB Passing Efficiency of All-Time with 170.7879. As for individual seasons,

In 2009, he was ranked #1 with a PE of 164.17
In 2008, he was ranked #4 with a PE of 172.37
In 2007, he was ranked #2 with a PE of 172.5
In 2006, he wasn't ranked (did not meet minimum att/game), but had a PE of 201.73.

Vick had a PE of 152.93 in his 2 years of playing. (Vick had a 179.189 PE in 1999, but threw 12.75 passes per game, which is below minimum att/game).
Brennan had a PE 167.645 in his 3 years of playing.

In fact, Tebow has higher season totals than Stafford, Sanchez, Russell, Ryan ever had. In fact, they compared the PE rating of Bradford and Tebow before the 2009 BCS Title game and it proved that Tebow has a higher completion percentage and PE rating than Sam Bradford on passes longer than 20 yards. And it wasn't a case of the sample size being too small either. I wish I could find it, but my ESPN membership expired.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I'm not a hater. I'm just repeating what "experts" are saying about him:

2) He didn't throw at the combine

He threw at Florida's Pro Day.

Originally Posted by Mutt

i'm a lifelong suffering Bills fan - if they take Tebow in the first round i'll burn One Bills Drive down. I don't want him in the second round either really but it would at least make the misery of being a Bills fan interesting the next couple of seasons seeing if Tebow has any chance of being a successful NFL QB. The vast majority of experts think he has little chance of it.

i want Colt McCoy with the 9th pick.

Colt is crazy accurate, but he doesn't throw down field as well. There are comparisons to Drew Brees, but Brees holds the ball up much higher and has a much stronger arm. Also, the vast majority of scouts and executives are mixed. Kiper has Tebow in his new first round and both Mayock and Gruden think he's worth a 1st-round pick as well. Mayock thinks he can do very well in the league.

[cwd]

Seems like there are quite a few other players that will fit with teams needs before Tebows name is called. And if he is going to need 3-4 years to become productive thats asking a lot of patience for a team and their fans to have. The guy is in a tough spot for sure.

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Well it was a bit of an overstatement.
There have been hundreds of great college players and Tebow is not one of them.


Just check this list: http://www.americasbestonline.net/cfootball100.htm

I'm not a huge Tebow fan and the reason I started this thread was because I found it interesting that a person could have such an illustrious college football career and could possibly never play a single down in the pros.

I looked at your list of 100

Now go here and read up on Tebow's accomplishments and see how he's surpassed many on that list of 100. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow


When that list has Herschel Walker ( was great ) and not Tebow even though Tebow RAN for more touchdowns than Walker who was a RB and Tebow was a QB and the fact that tebow holds the SEC record for career touchdowns, the list lost credibility at least in my eyes.

[hypedough]

I hope Steelers trade Big Ben and pick up Tebow. The's one of the only franchises that has proven to do well with a rookie QB.

[RaiderCash_Dominik]

Dallas Cowboys

[Daddy Big Nuts]

He won't last past the second round.....I personally think he'll go in the first. I'm not really a fan, and I don't think he's the best QB prospect, but the guy is a winner - period. Probably the face of a franchise (Jacksonville).

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by Daddy Big Nuts

He won't last past the second round.....I personally think he'll go in the first. I'm not really a fan, and I don't think he's the best QB prospect, but the guy is a winner - period. Probably the face of a franchise (Jacksonville).

They just did a story in my sunday paper ( orlando ) about Tebow going to Jacksonville and how it would help sell tickets having the hometown hero on the team and what a great fit he would be.

The Jags position was that the best way to sell tickets is to have a winning team and as popular as Tebow is it wouldn't be in the best interest of the franchise to have him if he wasn't productive. They didn't say how hard they were going to go after him but they will continue their evaluation.

BTW they said that he will not be in NYC for the draft and will be watching it at home with his family in Jacksonville

[CIVMatt]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...st-falls-flat/

As we've mentioned once or twice, quarterback Tim Tebow's habit of openly expressing his religious beliefs could potentially rub folks the wrong way, especially in a locker room of grown men who choose to keep their beliefs to themselves, who don't share his beliefs at all, and/or who only want to hear "God bless" after they have sneezed.

We're told that Tebow already has gotten a taste of the resistance he might face at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, the Wonderlic exam is administered to players in groups. The 12-minute test is preceded by some brief instructions and comments from the person administering the test.

Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.


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[Semi-Retired-Dave]

He runs too much. But usually gets the job done. Not sure if that will fly in the NFL.

[cosis]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

He runs too much. But usually gets the job done. Not sure if that will fly in the NFL.

There just isn't a such thing as power running quarterbacks in the NFL. That is Tebow's strength. If you have speed and elusiveness (Michael Vick) it would help. Ultimately you will have a short career if your thinking run before pass in the NFL.

[cosis]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...st-falls-flat/

As we've mentioned once or twice, quarterback Tim Tebow's habit of openly expressing his religious beliefs could potentially rub folks the wrong way, especially in a locker room of grown men who choose to keep their beliefs to themselves, who don't share his beliefs at all, and/or who only want to hear "God bless" after they have sneezed.

We're told that Tebow already has gotten a taste of the resistance he might face at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, the Wonderlic exam is administered to players in groups. The 12-minute test is preceded by some brief instructions and comments from the person administering the test.

Per a league source, after the person administering the test to Tebow's group had finished, Tebow made a request that the players bow their heads in prayer before taking the 50-question exam.

Said one of the other players in response: "Shut the f--k up." Others players in the room then laughed.


.............................more

I can imagine the trash talking on the field already.

[smutnut]

The draft is such a joke. Tom Brady and Joe Montana were like 6 round to maybe don't pick me. Get real. College and Pro is so different and it's such a joke that these losers think they are going to be able to keep up the pace because they used to knock the books out the hands of some nerds in high school is laughable.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by smutnut

The draft is such a joke. Tom Brady and Joe Montana were like 6 round to maybe don't pick me. Get real. College and Pro is so different and it's such a joke that these losers think they are going to be able to keep up the pace because they used to knock the books out the hands of some nerds in high school is laughable.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Sorry. Just keep real LOL!

It's good for running backs if you're going to draft an OJ and give him a RAMBO knife!

Put it this way. Trade your first round if it's a quarterback. Seriously

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Sorry. Just keep real LOL!

It's good for running backs if you're going to draft an OJ and give him a RAMBO knife!

Put it this way. Trade your first round if it's a quarterback. Seriously

it is true that drafting a QB in the first round is a huge gamble that backfires more than it works - but on the other hand there are more Hall of Fame and franchise type QB's from the first round than any other round. Sure sometimes teams with great scouts and coaches can take a college QB in the middle rounds but the odds are much lower of getting a starting QB in those rounds of the draft.

NFL is now a passing league, you can't compete for the Super Bowl without a QB who is in the top 10 of QB's in the league.

it sounds like Tebow is going to Buffalo. Buffalo is a team who can take a risk, they ain't going anywhere anyway, they need to keep their fans interested, Tebow accomplishes that.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

He runs too much. But usually gets the job done. Not sure if that will fly in the NFL.

He might be good fit as a wildcat QB

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by Mutt

it is true that drafting a QB in the first round is a huge gamble that backfires more than it works - but on the other hand there are more Hall of Fame and franchise type QB's from the first round than any other round. Sure sometimes teams with great scouts and coaches can take a college QB in the middle rounds but the odds are much lower of getting a starting QB in those rounds of the draft.

NFL is now a passing league, you can't compete for the Super Bowl without a QB who is in the top 10 of QB's in the league.

it sounds like Tebow is going to Buffalo. Buffalo is a team who can take a risk, they ain't going anywhere anyway, they need to keep their fans interested, Tebow accomplishes that.

I don't believe that philosophy at all to be serious for a rare second. In fact I think a quarterback should have it in him to pass, but the very best have never been known for winning superbowls, at least passing wasn't their skill at the times except for completion percentage i.e. Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Bradshaw, Starbauch, Elway, etc,. they were all great passers in the clutch but they weren't yardage achievers or touchdown gainers except on certain specific years and they actually failed going all the way in those years.

I see another Bledsoe in this Tebow guy and Bledsoe might have been a giant if things had gone his way. God knows he should have won that superbowl against Greenbay if Parcels hadn't been on the phone making a deal with the Jets.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by gatorpower

Colt is crazy accurate, but he doesn't throw down field as well. There are comparisons to Drew Brees, but Brees holds the ball up much higher and has a much stronger arm. Also, the vast majority of scouts and executives are mixed. Kiper has Tebow in his new first round and both Mayock and Gruden think he's worth a 1st-round pick as well. Mayock thinks he can do very well in the league.

All I heard was that McCoy's pro day was the best of all of all the QB's being talked about as first round picks. That he made every throw in the book.

Everybody's an expert before the draft - it's laughable how badly some of these experts miss on players.

[ProG]

Even though he is a religious nut job and runs a lot I can still see him going in the first round (to a team who needs a franchise QB). We'll see...

[smutnut]

Where's Ryan Leaf hanging out these days?

[ProG]

Originally Posted by smutnut

Where's Ryan Leaf hanging out these days?

lol, I just saw something on the news about him trying to turn over a new leaf. I know he was addicted to pain killers for a long time.

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

He might be good fit as a wildcat QB

That's a great point

Probably his best chance is with a team that liked Miami's success with the wildcat offense and wanted to go in that direction.

[gatorpower]

Originally Posted by smutnut

The draft is such a joke. Tom Brady and Joe Montana were like 6 round to maybe don't pick me.

Since 1980, there have been 57 Pro-Bowl QB's drafted (Steve Young & Bernie Kosar were selected in the 1st-round of the supplemental draft in 1984 and 1985, respectively)

Excluding Young & Kosar,

25 (45.45%) were drafted in the 1st round.
7 (12.72%) were drafted in the 2nd round.
6 (10.90%) were drafted in the 3rd round.
2 (3.636%) were drafted in the 4th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 5th round.
7 (12.72%) were drafted in the 6th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 7th round.
3 (5.454%) were drafted in the 8th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 9th round.
1 (1.818%) was in the 10th round.
1 (1.818%) was in the 11th round.

In that time, there have been 64 QB's selected in the first round, so you have a 39% chance of going to at least 1 Pro-Bowl if you're chosen there.

The best multi-year Pro-Bowl QB's not selected in Round 1 have been:

Drew Brees - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2001, Round 2, pick 32 (2nd QB taken)
Marc Bulger - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2000, Round 6, pick 168 (6th QB taken)
Tom Brady - (5 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2000, Round 6, pick 199 (7th QB taken)
Matt Hasselbeck - (3 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1998, Round 6, pick 187 (7th QB taken)
Mark Brunell - (3 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1993, Round 5, pick 118 (4th QB taken)
Trent Green - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1993, Round 8, pick 222 (8th QB taken)
Brad Johnson - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1992, Round 9, pick 227 (13th QB taken)
Brett Favre - (11 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1991, Round 2, pick 33 (3rd QB taken)
Chris Chandler - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1988, Round 3, pick 76 (2nd QB taken)
Rich Gannon - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1987, Round 4, pick 98 (7th QB taken)
Mark Rypien - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1986, Round 6, pick 146 (8th QB taken)
Randall Cunningham - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1985, Round 2, pick 37 (1st QB taken)
Boomer Esiason - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1984, Round 2, pick 38 (1st QB taken)
Neil Lomax - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1981, Round 2, Pick 33 (2nd QB taken)

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by gatorpower

Since 1980, there have been 57 Pro-Bowl QB's drafted (Steve Young & Bernie Kosar were selected in the 1st-round of the supplemental draft in 1984 and 1985, respectively)

Excluding Young & Kosar,

25 (45.45%) were drafted in the 1st round.
7 (12.72%) were drafted in the 2nd round.
6 (10.90%) were drafted in the 3rd round.
2 (3.636%) were drafted in the 4th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 5th round.
7 (12.72%) were drafted in the 6th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 7th round.
3 (5.454%) were drafted in the 8th round.
1 (1.818%) was drafted in the 9th round.
1 (1.818%) was in the 10th round.
1 (1.818%) was in the 11th round.

In that time, there have been 64 QB's selected in the first round, so you have a 39% chance of going to at least 1 Pro-Bowl if you're chosen there.

The best multi-year Pro-Bowl QB's not selected in Round 1 have been:

Drew Brees - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2001, Round 2, pick 32 (2nd QB taken)
Marc Bulger - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2000, Round 6, pick 168 (6th QB taken)
Tom Brady - (5 Pro-Bowls), drafted 2000, Round 6, pick 199 (7th QB taken)
Matt Hasselbeck - (3 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1998, Round 6, pick 187 (7th QB taken)
Mark Brunell - (3 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1993, Round 5, pick 118 (4th QB taken)
Trent Green - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1993, Round 8, pick 222 (8th QB taken)
Brad Johnson - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1992, Round 9, pick 227 (13th QB taken)
Brett Favre - (11 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1991, Round 2, pick 33 (3rd QB taken)
Chris Chandler - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1988, Round 3, pick 76 (2nd QB taken)
Rich Gannon - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1987, Round 4, pick 98 (7th QB taken)
Mark Rypien - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1986, Round 6, pick 146 (8th QB taken)
Randall Cunningham - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1985, Round 2, pick 37 (1st QB taken)
Boomer Esiason - (4 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1984, Round 2, pick 38 (1st QB taken)
Neil Lomax - (2 Pro-Bowls), drafted 1981, Round 2, Pick 33 (2nd QB taken)

I must have missed something. How many of these guys have won superbowls? cause getting trip to the pro bowl isn't someone I'd be picking in the draft.

P.S how many quarterbacks won Superbowls that weren't first round picks? I think that would be a better way of looking at things.

[gatorpower]

Originally Posted by smutnut

I must have missed something. How many of these guys have won superbowls? cause getting trip to the pro bowl isn't someone I'd be picking in the draft.

P.S how many quarterbacks won Superbowls that weren't first round picks? I think that would be a better way of looking at things.

I would love to tell you, but the site I use for those stats has suddenly got itself fuggered from Jets fans I'm guessing to prepare themselves for the disappointment that's coming their way.

I don't know why you would classify superbowl wins as a better barometer than the pro-bowl. A lot of good QBs have been on really crappy teams. You can't fault the QB for not wining the superbowl because his supporting cast is wretched.

Neither Archie Manning or Dan Marino have won super bowls.

[smutnut]

Originally Posted by gatorpower

I would love to tell you, but the site I use for those stats has suddenly got itself fuggered from Jets fans I'm guessing to prepare themselves for the disappointment that's coming their way.

I don't know why you would classify superbowl wins as a better barometer than the pro-bowl. A lot of good QBs have been on really crappy teams. You can't fault the QB for not wining the superbowl because his supporting cast is wretched.

Neither Archie Manning or Dan Marino have won super bowls.

Why would I classify Superbowl Wins as better than Pro-bowl (not even wins but selections)? I have no clue but I know who never to listen to about football again, thank you very much!!!

P.S the probowl is such a joke the players try to find reasons not to partake in in it, just for reference.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by smutnut

I must have missed something. How many of these guys have won superbowls? cause getting trip to the pro bowl isn't someone I'd be picking in the draft.

P.S how many quarterbacks won Superbowls that weren't first round picks? I think that would be a better way of looking at things.

almost half the superbowls won have been by first round picks

[justinsain]

And the #1 pick in the 2010 NFL Draft is........

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs

Espn was saying the Bills may get him.

That's the last I had heard.